Re: F11 visual concept idea - greek

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Re: F11 visual concept idea - greek

On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 09:54 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> Hi Samuele,
> 
> Samuele Storari wrote:
> > Hi all
> > 
> > I work on the Acient Greek theme for this Fedora's release I think is the best one.
> > Mo I'd like your idea to create a collage from different landscape or other image.
> > For this theme I try to work on the Spartan "Leonidas" idea, I work on the Acient Helm so we don't have
discussion on violence or other not connected idea.
> > I started looking some inspiration photos on flickr 
> > 
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ghost_of_kuji/2763629314/
> > 
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/protectorrr/2714125326/
> > 
> > then I draw my own.
> > Let me suggest to you guys my idea and let me know your guess and your suggestions.
> > Maybe someone could help me to find some more dettailed photos of the helm?
> 
> For F11 we're trying to work together on the same concept,
> we aren't doing competing ideas anymore.
> 
> Our deadline for a decision on the visual concept
> (basically, how will we visually depict 'Leonidas') is
> February 1. Do you think there is a way we can integrate the
> idea of your helmet with a landscape of Greek architecture
> for the wallpaper, and maybe we could integrate the helmet
> in other artwork too? Do you have any ideas on what a
> landscape with the helmet integrated into it might look like?
> 
> I do think based on the wallpaper poll results that we
> should try for a landscape for the wallpaper, but that
> doesn't mean we can't have a helmet placed in it or somehow
> work the idea of a helmet in it? I like the idea of having a
> helmet somewhere because Leonidas was from Sparta and Sparta
> was very militaristic, but at the same time a helmet is for
> protection so it's not too violent a symbol as you said.
> 
> What do you think? Do you have ideas on how we can work
> together?
> 
> ~m
> 
I think adding a helmet would be great. I have an idea of small bronze
Greek helmet laying on the ground - either on the bottom left on grass
(here I'd use some older helmet, let it blend with nature), while the
bigger temple being on the bottom right, or having the helmet laying on
one of the stairs leading to temple (if we make a temple with stairs;
here I'd use rather shiny new helmet).

Either way, my idea is focusing rather on the spiritual part of the
image, I'd draw it how it could look if the temple was new and still
used by old Greeks, perhaps around the columns could be some grapes or
some other plant growing, I can also imagine hot springs (with vapour
flowing up from the springs, creating a mist) and maybe forest or small
bushes nearby, possibly with Mt. Olympus being seen in a distance.
Though I am not sure if we'd be able to do such complex art from scratch
with inkscape; or if we'd be doing photo-realistic one, if we could get
hands on fitting and properly licensed photos... Maybe if I have enough
time I'll try to sketch the idea in inkscape, but do not expect
something that will look good >_<

Martin

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Re: F11 visual concept idea - greek

Martin Sourada wrote:
> Either way, my idea is focusing rather on the spiritual part of the
> image, I'd draw it how it could look if the temple was new and still
> used by old Greeks, perhaps around the columns could be some grapes or
> some other plant growing, I can also imagine hot springs (with vapour
> flowing up from the springs, creating a mist) and maybe forest or small
> bushes nearby, possibly with Mt. Olympus being seen in a distance.
> Though I am not sure if we'd be able to do such complex art from scratch
> with inkscape; or if we'd be doing photo-realistic one, if we could get
> hands on fitting and properly licensed photos... Maybe if I have enough
> time I'll try to sketch the idea in inkscape, but do not expect
> something that will look good >_<

Awesome, I look forward to it! I'm going to try to put something 
together tonight too to push this idea further and we can critique each 
other's sketches/mockups and figure out what parts work.

The Feb 1 (today :) ) deadline isn't for us to have beautiful polished 
artwork, but to just to know what we'll be working on for the next few 
weeks.

It seems like we are reaching a consensus on doing a Grecian landscape 
with a helmet & columns and some natural elements like Olympus, vines, 
etc., so I think we've pretty much met our goal which is great! :)

~m

Re: F11 visual concept idea - greek

On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 12:58 -0500, Máirí­n Duffy wrote:
> It seems like we are reaching a consensus on doing a Grecian landscape 
> with a helmet & columns and some natural elements like Olympus, vines, 
> etc., so I think we've pretty much met our goal which is great! :)
> 
> ~m
> 

For the natural elements part, I believe olive trees could be an
addition, as they are symbols of glory & peace. In ancient Greece olive
was sacred. 

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Re: F11 visual concept idea - greek

Konstantinos Antonakoglou a écrit :
|
| For the natural elements part, I believe olive trees could be an
| addition, as they are symbols of glory & peace. In ancient Greece olive
| was sacred.
Agreed. Olive trees are excellent choice for the theme.

Luya

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On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 12:58 -0500, Máirí­n Duffy wrote:
> Martin Sourada wrote:
> > Either way, my idea is focusing rather on the spiritual part of the
> > image, I'd draw it how it could look if the temple was new and still
> > used by old Greeks, perhaps around the columns could be some grapes or
> > some other plant growing, I can also imagine hot springs (with vapour
> > flowing up from the springs, creating a mist) and maybe forest or small
> > bushes nearby, possibly with Mt. Olympus being seen in a distance.
> > Though I am not sure if we'd be able to do such complex art from scratch
> > with inkscape; or if we'd be doing photo-realistic one, if we could get
> > hands on fitting and properly licensed photos... Maybe if I have enough
> > time I'll try to sketch the idea in inkscape, but do not expect
> > something that will look good >_<
> 
> Awesome, I look forward to it! I'm going to try to put something 
> together tonight too to push this idea further and we can critique each 
> other's sketches/mockups and figure out what parts work.
> 
> The Feb 1 (today :) ) deadline isn't for us to have beautiful polished 
> artwork, but to just to know what we'll be working on for the next few 
> weeks.
> 
> It seems like we are reaching a consensus on doing a Grecian landscape 
> with a helmet & columns and some natural elements like Olympus, vines, 
> etc., so I think we've pretty much met our goal which is great! :)
> 
> ~m

Here's [1][2] my first try in inkscape. Some notes:

The temple is made very simple for the begining, more details will need
to be added, also we'd probably need to chose slightly different
colouring and maybe slightly different proportions.

The helmet would probably need only small amount of extra detail added.

I've created really simple background and that would definitely need to
be replaced by something better looking. Also, unlike for the temple and
helmet, I've used open clipart images which do not fit the rest of the
image, so we'll need to create more detailed, 3D-looking images
ourselves. On the wiki [3] I've linked some photos which might serve as
reference. Also the hot springs look pretty odd as they are now. Maybe
adding some reflections, etc. would help.

Overall, I think the resultant image should have much less vivid colours
and it would be great if we could target more realistic looks (perhaps
some post-processing in gimp might help that). Also, I think it would be
interesting to change the shading during the day, it would be quite a
lot of extra work, but IMHO definitely doable and the result might be
pretty impressive.

Anyway, see the concept more like "I think the olive tree would be good
if it were placed here, there I'd like some log, ..." and as a base for
further development, should we go with this approach. Though I fully
realize that making 3D-looking art with perspective purely in inkscape
isn't an easy task.

Martin

References:
[1]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:F11_Artwork_Greece_Concept_mso.png
[2]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:F11_Artwork_Greece_Concept_mso.svg
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Artwork#Mock-ups

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Re: F11 visual concept idea - greek

Martin Sourada wrote:
> 
> Anyway, see the concept more like "I think the olive tree would be good
> if it were placed here, there I'd like some log, ..." and as a base for
> further development, should we go with this approach. Though I fully
> realize that making 3D-looking art with perspective purely in inkscape
> isn't an easy task.

I like how you put the elements in the image and the ability to play 
with them (move, resize, etc.) I also think we *wont't* manage to come 
with something realistic made completely with Inkscape, so we may have 
to go with either photomanip and a realistic look or drawing and 
stylization.

BTW, I guess not all of us noticed the cool and related 3D design posted 
by Mola on IRC: http://mola.fedorapeople.org/fedora_river_004.jpg - 
awesome, but still not realistic enough IMO.

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Re: F11 visual concept idea - greek

Nicu Buculei wrote:
> Martin Sourada wrote:
>>
>> Anyway, see the concept more like "I think the olive tree would be good
>> if it were placed here, there I'd like some log, ..." and as a base for
>> further development, should we go with this approach. Though I fully
>> realize that making 3D-looking art with perspective purely in inkscape
>> isn't an easy task.
> 
> I like how you put the elements in the image and the ability to play
> with them (move, resize, etc.) I also think we *wont't* manage to come
> with something realistic made completely with Inkscape, so we may have
> to go with either photomanip and a realistic look or drawing and
> stylization.
> 
> BTW, I guess not all of us noticed the cool and related 3D design posted
> by Mola on IRC: http://mola.fedorapeople.org/fedora_river_004.jpg -
> awesome, but still not realistic enough IMO.

We could play around using Inkscape and even Mola's renders
to figure out the composition of the image, then use
photomanip techniques to fill it in... that seems like it
would work better than what I've been doing, which is trying
to find an openly-licensed photo with a good composition and
working off of that.

~m

Echo Monthly News Issue 6, January 2009

Hello,

We have published the sixth Echo Monthly News Issue [1]. This issue
covers the first month of 2009 and is composed from these topics:

     1. Echo Perspective starting of Fedora Hosted
     2. New Echo Artist Scripts and Supporting Icon Artist Library
             1. Initializing New Git Repository
             2. Updating Your Local Copy of Git Repository
             3. Creating New Icon from Template
             4. Adding Icon to Repository

Regards,
The Echo Team

References:
[1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue6

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