Re: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)

Valent Turkovic wrote:
> Here are one audio review which also says artwork for Fedora 8 is lacking:
> http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-8-audio-review/
> 
> and one random forum comment:
> "Artwork quite poor compared to version 7."
> http://linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43139#p43139

I could point at a lot more reviews and magazine articles that saw it as
an improvement. It's artwork, it's subjective, you can't please everyone
and if you do you're probably doing something wrong. For every negative
comment I've seen or heard about the F8 theme, I've seen 9 or 10
positive ones.

The wallpaper could have been more exciting, yes. The rest of the
artwork I think is better with a more simple design, though, without too
much in-your-face branding. We don't want the distro to be akin to an
overly gaudy person wearing way too much makeup, you know?

~m

Re: [F9 theme proposal] (Also Freedom :)) Round 1

Valent Turkovic wrote:
> Hi,
> I could't give this another name, because it just screams "freedom"
> and freedom already exists but it is a different theme (or it is not)
> and involves chains.
> 
> Please look at this picture:
> http://www.faith47.com/images/Slice_03_03.gif
> 
> It is from artists that work on www.dynebolic.org linux distro.
> 
> I'm not an artist but a photographer and art critic and I have an eye
> for combining things. I can see fedora logo in the hands of that
> person and it would make a great wallpaper.
> 
> The idea is this:
> In the background (bw looks great but also pale fedora colors would
> work) there are all the symbols and tools for taking away freedom and
> in the center you see fedora logo that represents freedom in color as
> it overcomes all that in background.

This sounds too busy for a default wallpaper. Maybe for an add-on one
though.

~m

Re: An Idea about branding the Firefox and Thunderbird apps for F9

Em Dom, 2007-12-30 às 22:49 +0530, Rogue escreveu:
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> Hi All,
> 
> I was just toying around with the Splash![1] addon for mozilla apps and
> I believe we can leverage the same for branding the applications, via a
> custom Fedora centric splash screen.
> 
> What do you folks think about it?

A splash screen is just a sign that your application is horridly slow
and should be taken out back to be put out of it's misery.. Do we really
want to give that impression on purpose and then brag about it being a
Fedora feature on top?

It might just be me, but that does not sound like a good idea.

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Re: An Idea about branding the Firefox and Thunderbird apps for F9

On Tue, 2008-01-01 at 03:39 +0100, David Nielsen wrote:
> Em Dom, 2007-12-30 às 22:49 +0530, Rogue escreveu:
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> > 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > I was just toying around with the Splash![1] addon for mozilla apps and
> > I believe we can leverage the same for branding the applications, via a
> > custom Fedora centric splash screen.
> > 
> > What do you folks think about it?
> 
> A splash screen is just a sign that your application is horridly slow
> and should be taken out back to be put out of it's misery..

There've been more than a few times that I've wanted to do that with
Firefox. There just doesn't happen to be a decent WebKit-GTK+ app
available yet to make that feasible.

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A Thought About F9 Artwork

All,

IMO the F8 artwork presents Fedora very favorably and it seems a waste
not to leverage this success in F9.

Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and use
the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme?

Presenting the same question a differ way.

Would Fedora users be disappointed if the F9 came with an improved F8
theme (ie. same theme, new wallpaper)? 

Cheers!

John

Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork

tir, 01 01 2008 kl. 13:45 -0500, skrev John Baer:
> All,
> 
> IMO the F8 artwork presents Fedora very favorably and it seems a waste
> not to leverage this success in F9.
> 
> Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and use
> the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme?
> 
> Presenting the same question a differ way.
> 
> Would Fedora users be disappointed if the F9 came with an improved F8
> theme (ie. same theme, new wallpaper)? 

I for one would welcome the glorious return of the Fedora 8 theme in a
polished version. I think F8 presented the most beautiful Fedora yet and
it would be a good branding move to keep the same theme around for a few
releases. 

Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork

John Baer wrote:
> Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and
> use the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme?

This is a good point - it would be nice to see a somewhat common theme
getting more and more polished with each release. More of an evolution
than a complete redesign each time. That said, the last few themes have
been a bit like this.

Things that are easier to change, like the splash screens and wallpaper
can change more frequently and dramatically. Things that are more
challenging to redesign well, like Gtk and Metacity themes evolve more
slowly.

This reminds me of the 6 layers of buildings from Stewart Brand's
classic book, How Buildings Learn:
http://www.peterme.com/archives/00000323.html

I would like to see a general visual theme for Fedora that can slowly
evolve and improve with each release, but still have enough wiggle-room
for each release to feel new and exciting.

I proposed a seasonal Spring/Fall theme set to coincide with the
time-based release schedule of Fedora back in November. I've been trying
to create a page for it on the wiki, but I'm having trouble getting my
account created (probably my own fault).

Quoting myself:
> As the Fedora release schedule is now about as reliable as the coming
> of spring and fall, it occurred to me that spring and fall might

Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork

Steven Garrity wrote:
> I proposed a seasonal Spring/Fall theme set to coincide with the
> time-based release schedule of Fedora back in November. I've been trying
> to create a page for it on the wiki, but I'm having trouble getting my
> account created (probably my own fault).

Are you following http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing? What 
exactly is the problem you are running into?

Rahul

Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork

On Wednesday 02 January 2008 00:06:07 Steven Garrity wrote:
> John Baer wrote:
> > Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and
> > use the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme?
>
> This is a good point - it would be nice to see a somewhat common theme
> getting more and more polished with each release. More of an evolution
> than a complete redesign each time. That said, the last few themes have
> been a bit like this.
>
> Things that are easier to change, like the splash screens and wallpaper
> can change more frequently and dramatically. Things that are more
> challenging to redesign well, like Gtk and Metacity themes evolve more
> slowly.
>
> This reminds me of the 6 layers of buildings from Stewart Brand's
> classic book, How Buildings Learn:
> http://www.peterme.com/archives/00000323.html
>
> I would like to see a general visual theme for Fedora that can slowly
> evolve and improve with each release, but still have enough wiggle-room
> for each release to feel new and exciting.
>
> I proposed a seasonal Spring/Fall theme set to coincide with the
> time-based release schedule of Fedora back in November. I've been trying
> to create a page for it on the wiki, but I'm having trouble getting my
> account created (probably my own fault).
>
> Quoting myself:
> > As the Fedora release schedule is now about as reliable as the coming

Re: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)

On 1/1/08, Máirín Duffy <duffy <at> redhat.com> wrote:
> Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > Here are one audio review which also says artwork for Fedora 8 is lacking:
> > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-8-audio-review/
> >
> > and one random forum comment:
> > "Artwork quite poor compared to version 7."
> > http://linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43139#p43139
>
> I could point at a lot more reviews and magazine articles that saw it as
> an improvement. It's artwork, it's subjective, you can't please everyone
> and if you do you're probably doing something wrong. For every negative
> comment I've seen or heard about the F8 theme, I've seen 9 or 10
> positive ones.

Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that is
provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best
listen to it if you can.

> The wallpaper could have been more exciting, yes. The rest of the
> artwork I think is better with a more simple design, though, without too
> much in-your-face branding. We don't want the distro to be akin to an
> overly gaudy person wearing way too much makeup, you know?

I see your point of view and I understand it. I must tell you that I
don't have anything againgst Fedora design but I honestly don't see
any big difference between Fedora 6 (which I run at work) and Fedora 8
which I run at home. If I took screenshots and compared them I would
probably see differences but to an ordinary user and not art team who
works on those changes they are so subtle that we don't see them. Only