Matthew.GARRETT | 5 Aug 2009 11:08

gutenprint5.2.4 HP DesignJet 750C Plus Media Type roll


Folks

I have been trying to get my cups Server to print to a HP DesignJet 750C Plus plotter.
The plotter has roll of paper 32" wide by 20 foot long.

Using Cups via gutenprint5.2.4 (Compiled from source on Redhat 5 U 3)
The set printer options does not list a roll media but sizes like A0

The problem is when a user submits a print job the plotter uses A0 size of paper even if the plot job is very small.
Or if the print job is bigger than A0 it crops the plot even though there is more than enough paper on the roll.
Which wastes a huge amount of paper. and the plots look all wrong.

Does any body have a fix / solution on this.

Thanks

Matthew



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Till Kamppeter | 5 Aug 2009 11:33
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Re: gutenprint5.2.4 HP DesignJet 750C Plus Media Type roll

You need to choose a custom paper size, which is currently only possible 
by the command line (So you need to "Export to PDF" your file and print 
the resulting PDF from the command line):

lpr -o PageSize=Custom.<width>x<height><unit> file

<width> and <height> are the actual dimensions of the printout. <unit> 
can be cm, mm, in, and pt. For example a 200 inches long poster gets 
correctly printed and cut with

lpr -o PageSize=Custom.32x200in file

A printing dialog which supports custom paper sizes is in the works.

    Till

Matthew.GARRETT <at> external.total.com wrote:
> 
> Folks
> 
> I have been trying to get my cups Server to print to a HP DesignJet 750C 
> Plus plotter.
> The plotter has roll of paper 32" wide by 20 foot long.
> 
> Using Cups via gutenprint5.2.4 (Compiled from source on Redhat 5 U 3)
> The set printer options does not list a roll media but sizes like A0
> 
> The problem is when a user submits a print job the plotter uses A0 size 
> of paper even if the plot job is very small.
> Or if the print job is bigger than A0 it crops the plot even though 
> there is more than enough paper on the roll.
> Which wastes a huge amount of paper. and the plots look all wrong.
> 
> Does any body have a fix / solution on this.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> *Matthew Garrett*
> *Senior IS Technical Analyst*
> Total E&P UK, Crawpeel Road, Altens Industrial Estate, Aberdeen AB12 3FG
> 
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Matthew.GARRETT | 5 Aug 2009 11:44

Re: gutenprint5.2.4 HP DesignJet 750C Plus Media Type roll



Till
Thanks for the very quick explanation and advise.
However we are not able to convert the CGM file to PDF and then work out is size.
As the Application (Landmark OpenWorks) just generates a CGM file and then does a lp -dPrinter FileNmae

Looks like I am going to have to remove Gutenprint and look to see if I can find some other ppd file for the DesignJet

Matthew


Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter <at> gmail.com> wrote on 05/08/2009 10:33:23:

> You need to choose a custom paper size, which is currently only possible
> by the command line (So you need to "Export to PDF" your file and print
> the resulting PDF from the command line):
>
> lpr -o PageSize=Custom.<width>x<height><unit> file
>
> <width> and <height> are the actual dimensions of the printout. <unit>
> can be cm, mm, in, and pt. For example a 200 inches long poster gets
> correctly printed and cut with
>
> lpr -o PageSize=Custom.32x200in file
>
> A printing dialog which supports custom paper sizes is in the works.
>
>     Till
>
>
> Matthew.GARRETT <at> external.total.com wrote:
> >
> > Folks
> >
> > I have been trying to get my cups Server to print to a HP DesignJet 750C
> > Plus plotter.
> > The plotter has roll of paper 32" wide by 20 foot long.
> >
> > Using Cups via gutenprint5.2.4 (Compiled from source on Redhat 5 U 3)
> > The set printer options does not list a roll media but sizes like A0
> >
> > The problem is when a user submits a print job the plotter uses A0 size
> > of paper even if the plot job is very small.
> > Or if the print job is bigger than A0 it crops the plot even though
> > there is more than enough paper on the roll.
> > Which wastes a huge amount of paper. and the plots look all wrong.
> >
> > Does any body have a fix / solution on this.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> >
> >
> > *Matthew Garrett*
> > *Senior IS Technical Analyst*
> > Total E&P UK, Crawpeel Road, Altens Industrial Estate, Aberdeen AB12 3FG
> >
> > Registered in England and Wales No.811900          
> > Registered Office 33 Cavendish Square, London W1G 0PW
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Andy Yew | 5 Aug 2009 12:32
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HP Large Format - HP Designjet Z series maybe?

Dear All,

How about driver for HP Designjet Z2100, Z3100, Z3200 and Z6100? They are the most popular large format printers now and should facilitate alot of the users especially these printers need very expensive software (cost 10s of thousands for RIP) to really achieve the SPEED and MAX LENGTH it should provide!

Example, Z2100 is only limited to 129" if using photoshop cs2. And it claims to print more than 30meters.... but due to lack of "professional" RIP, it can only reach there.

Why it's not supported in gutenprint now? Because of lack of sample printer? if so, i can DONATE 1 of the printer above for the purpose of getting their drivers in Gutenprint and let the world share this opportunity and feeling of having FREE software!

Andy
ps: i can donate either z2100, 3100, or 3200. 24" or 44"

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Todd Denniston | 5 Aug 2009 15:39
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Re: gutenprint5.2.4 HP DesignJet 750C Plus Media Type roll

Matthew.GARRETT <at> external.total.com wrote, On 08/05/2009 05:44 AM:
> Till
> Thanks for the very quick explanation and advise.
> However we are not able to convert the CGM file to PDF and then work out 
> is size.
> As the Application (Landmark OpenWorks) just generates a CGM file and then 
> does a lp -dPrinter FileNmae
> 
> Looks like I am going to have to remove Gutenprint and look to see if I 
> can find some other ppd file for the DesignJet
> 
> Matthew 
> 

do you have opportunity to define 'Printer'?
i.e. could you set it to
'Printer -o PageSize=Custom.32x200in' ???

Also, it has been a while since I have done so, but it used to be possible to define a "printer" 
destination, which just dumped the job to a file or redirected it with a script (adding the options) 
to the appropriate real device. [I recall having done these things, but the details have been 
completely lost to the sands of time.]

> 
> Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter <at> gmail.com> wrote on 05/08/2009 10:33:23:
> 
>> You need to choose a custom paper size, which is currently only possible 
> 
>> by the command line (So you need to "Export to PDF" your file and print 
>> the resulting PDF from the command line):
>>
>> lpr -o PageSize=Custom.<width>x<height><unit> file
>>
>> <width> and <height> are the actual dimensions of the printout. <unit> 
>> can be cm, mm, in, and pt. For example a 200 inches long poster gets 
>> correctly printed and cut with
>>
>> lpr -o PageSize=Custom.32x200in file
>>
>> A printing dialog which supports custom paper sizes is in the works.
>>
>>     Till
>>
>>
>> Matthew.GARRETT <at> external.total.com wrote:
>>> Folks
>>>
>>> I have been trying to get my cups Server to print to a HP DesignJet 
> 750C 
>>> Plus plotter.
>>> The plotter has roll of paper 32" wide by 20 foot long.
>>>
>>> Using Cups via gutenprint5.2.4 (Compiled from source on Redhat 5 U 3)
>>> The set printer options does not list a roll media but sizes like A0
>>>
>>> The problem is when a user submits a print job the plotter uses A0 
> size 
>>> of paper even if the plot job is very small.
>>> Or if the print job is bigger than A0 it crops the plot even though 
>>> there is more than enough paper on the roll.
>>> Which wastes a huge amount of paper. and the plots look all wrong.
>>>
>>> Does any body have a fix / solution on this.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Matthew Garrett*
>>> *Senior IS Technical Analyst*
>>> Total E&P UK, Crawpeel Road, Altens Industrial Estate, Aberdeen AB12 
> 3FG
>>> Registered in England and Wales No.811900 
>>> Registered Office 33 Cavendish Square, London W1G 0PW
>>> This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the person or 
> entity
>>> to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged
>>> information.  If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, 
> reproduction,
>>> copying, distribution, or use of this communication is strictly 
> prohibited.
>>> If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for 
> delivering
>>> this message to the named addressee, please notify us immediately and 
> delete
>>> this e-mail.
>>> It is the responsibility of the addressee to scan this email and any
>>> attachments for computer viruses or other defects.  The sender does 
> not
>>> accept liability for any loss or damage of any nature, however caused,
>>> which may result directly or indirectly from this email or any 
>> file attached.
>>>
>>>
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Hal V. Engel | 5 Aug 2009 21:12
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Re: HP Large Format - HP Designjet Z series maybe?

On Wednesday 05 August 2009 03:32:23 am Andy Yew wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> How about driver for HP Designjet Z2100, Z3100, Z3200 and Z6100? They are
> the most popular large format printers now and should facilitate alot of
> the users especially these printers need very expensive software (cost 10s
> of thousands for RIP) to really achieve the SPEED and MAX LENGTH it should
> provide!
>
> Example, Z2100 is only limited to 129" if using photoshop cs2. And it
> claims to print more than 30meters.... but due to lack of "professional"
> RIP, it can only reach there.
>
> Why it's not supported in gutenprint now? Because of lack of sample
> printer? if so, i can DONATE 1 of the printer above for the purpose of
> getting their drivers in Gutenprint and let the world share this
> opportunity and feeling of having FREE software!
>
> Andy
> ps: i can donate either z2100, 3100, or 3200. 24" or 44"

I think it is great that you are willing to donate hardware for creating 
drivers.   However there is the added complication that these printers have a 
built in spectrophotometer and writing a driver for these printers without 
having the spectrophotometer integrated into the driver does not make sense.

The spectrophotometer is listed as being an X-Rite i1 on HPs web site.  
ArgyllCMS does have reverse engineered support for the i1 Pro (X-Rite has 
refused to supply interface specifications) but I don't know if there are 
differences between the i1 Pro interface and the device in these printers.  So 
in addition to the GutenPrint developers needing the hardware to be able to 
write drivers the hardware would also need to be available to the ArgyllCMS 
developer so that he could make sure that the spectrophotometer drivers were 
working and also so that he could assist in making the spectrophotometer work 
with the printer driver (if he was inclined to help with this).

X-Rite has had a linux/unix interface library available for the i1 devices 
since at least early 2004 but they have never made this available to the 
public.   At one point I obtained a copy of this library but only after months 
of effort (dozens of phone calls and emails) and signing an NDA.  I know that 
HP has this software in house since they released an X11 monitor calibration 
open source project last Dec. that uses it (see 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ookala-mcf/).  Since the library is not 
readily available to the public no one has been able to get this software to 
work outside of the HP developers.      

I have in the past contacted HP about Z series printer support on unix like 
systems and had not gotten any useful information.  Today I contacted them 
again to see if anything had changed and was told that they were considering 
writing a driver for linux/unix but that the work had not yet been scheduled.   
I was also told that they had been getting calls from others asking about 
this.  The tech support person gave me the HP email address that I am 
including in my reply as the best way to contact those who would be able to 
supply support to an open source effort.   

HP is active in other open source initiatives.  By way of examples they 
actively support work on LCMS (the LCMS author, Marti Mari, works for HP) and 
the above ookala example.   As everyone here knows LCMS is installed on almost 
every open source end user system (literally 10's of millions of machines) so 
their support for LCMS is much appreciated.  Perhaps they will take this as an 
invitation to work with the open source printer and color management community 
to solve this issue and garner more favor with this growing market segment. 

Hal

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Daniel Harris | 7 Aug 2009 00:23

Epson R800 colour issue

Hello Everybody

I have just manages to get my Epson Stylus Photo R800 working in debian lenny thanks to Roger Leigh (Thanks again Roger) but I I seem to hitting an issue that seems to crop up quite a bit with the colour.  Printing from gutenprint 5.0.2, everything seems to be very yellow - Its like opening an image in gimp and setting colour balance of yellow to -30 and then you get somthing to what the printer is printing.  I thing I have all the settings set up for highest quality printing on supreme glossy paper.  I am not an expert on colour correction so I cannot just look at the printout and know instinctively what to chage so mabe someone on the list has a good setup that might like to share wi th me -PLEASE.

Any help is most welcome and appreciated

Thanks In Advance

Dan.

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Robert Krawitz | 7 Aug 2009 01:49
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Re: Epson R800 colour issue

   Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:23:41 +0100
   From: Daniel Harris <mail.dharris <at> googlemail.com>

   I have just manages to get my Epson Stylus Photo R800 working in
   debian lenny thanks to Roger Leigh (Thanks again Roger) but I I
   seem to hitting an issue that seems to crop up quite a bit with the
   colour.  Printing from gutenprint 5.0.2, everything seems to be
   very yellow - Its like opening an image in gimp and setting colour
   balance of yellow to -30 and then you get somthing to what the
   printer is printing.  I thing I have all the settings set up for
   highest quality printing on supreme glossy paper.  I am not an
   expert on colour correction so I cannot just look at the printout
   and know instinctively what to chage so mabe someone on the list
   has a good setup that might like to share wi th me -PLEASE.

   Any help is most welcome and appreciated

I don't think we really tuned that printer correctly -- the yellow is
even more vivid than it appeared at first glance.  Unfortunately,
retuning it now will have to wait for 5.3 (which we don't have a real
plan for) -- retuning it during 5.2 will create problems for people.

My suggestion would be to set the Yellow Density adjustment to
something smaller -- experiment with 0.5 or 0.75 and try to find
something that gives you a better result.

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Robert Krawitz | 7 Aug 2009 01:52
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Re: HP Large Format - HP Designjet Z series maybe?

   Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:32:23 +0800
   From: Andy Yew <kiatairbrush <at> gmail.com>

   How about driver for HP Designjet Z2100, Z3100, Z3200 and Z6100?
   They are the most popular large format printers now and should
   facilitate alot of the users especially these printers need very
   expensive software (cost 10s of thousands for RIP) to really
   achieve the SPEED and MAX LENGTH it should provide!

   Example, Z2100 is only limited to 129" if using photoshop cs2. And
   it claims to print more than 30meters.... but due to lack of
   "professional" RIP, it can only reach there.

   Why it's not supported in gutenprint now? Because of lack of sample
   printer?  if so, i can DONATE 1 of the printer above for the
   purpose of getting their drivers in Gutenprint and let the world
   share this opportunity and feeling of having FREE software!

In addition to what Hal said about this printer having special
capabilities, we don't currently have a maintainer for the PCL driver,
so donating the printer wouldn't do much good unless there were
someone to work on the driver.

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John Hardin | 8 Aug 2009 17:36
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Banding with Canon Pixma Pro 9500?

Folks:

We're experiencing a vexing problem with our brand new Pixma Pro 9500 
under Ubuntu 9.04 with Gutenprint 5.2.3-0ubuntu5: all printing is 
"banded".

The printout has 5/8" wide horizontal bands of slightly differing color. 
The image looks correct except for the slight color variation from this 
banding.

This occurs on the printer test sheet as well as full-color images printed 
from GIMP via Gutenprint.

This does not occur when printing from the Canon-supplied drivers under 
Windows, so I think it unlikely it is a hardware problem with this 
printer, but I am open to the possibility.

I can try to take a photograph and post it if seeing the problem would 
help troubleshooting.

Has anybody ever experienced something similar? Is this perhaps a known 
problem that is fixed by newer drivers than Ubuntu is presently offering?

Can anybody suggest a cause for this banding? Is the driver doing some 
sort of compensation for the two directions of the printhead motion?

Thanks for any suggestions or help.

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