Re: I have an update problem.

On Sat, 2007-06-30 at 10:57 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> The fedora track record in that 
> dept. concerning printing is spotty at best.  Printing in general seems to be 
> something that sits on the back burner, with a _very_ limited gas supply (eg 
> priority) at fedora.

Gene,

Upgrade to Fedora 7, where gutenprint is properly packaged.

In Fedora 6, gutenprint was in Extras not Core -- and so had to be made
to co-exist with the older gimp-print package. (The discussion of why it
was this way has already been had, many times over, on
fedora-devel-list.)

Tim.
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Fwd: Re: I have an update problem.

On Sat, 2007-06-30 at 10:57 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> The fedora track record in that 
> dept. concerning printing is spotty at best.  Printing in general seems to 
be 
> something that sits on the back burner, with a _very_ limited gas supply (eg 
> priority) at fedora.

Gene,

Upgrade to Fedora 7, where gutenprint is properly packaged.

In Fedora 6, gutenprint was in Extras not Core -- and so had to be made
to co-exist with the older gimp-print package. (The discussion of why it
was this way has already been had, many times over, on
fedora-devel-list.)

Tim.
*/

Tim, I don't care to do that just yet, I've had sufficient trouble putting F7 
on my lappy to not relish that thought just yet.  This is FC6 now, and will 
probably remain that way till F8 is out.

The primary mistake in the gimp packaging for FC6 is that you hard coded the 
deps to absolutely require gimp-print, when in fact gimp has _no_ 
dependencies on either gimp-print, or gutenprint.  Both are, for gimp, simply
plugins that enable printing.  Gimp has no deps on either, and can do 
everything available in its menu's without either package being installed.

To have cups, kprinter, and all the other myriad print utilities we seem to be 

Re: Fwd: Re: I have an update problem.

Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-06-30 at 10:57 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> The fedora track record in that 
>> dept. concerning printing is spotty at best.  Printing in general seems to 
> be 
>> something that sits on the back burner, with a _very_ limited gas supply (eg 
>> priority) at fedora.
> 
> Gene,
> 
> Upgrade to Fedora 7, where gutenprint is properly packaged.
> 
> In Fedora 6, gutenprint was in Extras not Core -- and so had to be made
> to co-exist with the older gimp-print package. (The discussion of why it
> was this way has already been had, many times over, on
> fedora-devel-list.)
> 
> Tim.
> */
> 
> Tim, I don't care to do that just yet, I've had sufficient trouble putting F7 
> on my lappy to not relish that thought just yet.  This is FC6 now, and will 
> probably remain that way till F8 is out.
> 
> The primary mistake in the gimp packaging for FC6 is that you hard coded the 
> deps to absolutely require gimp-print, when in fact gimp has _no_ 
> dependencies on either gimp-print, or gutenprint.  Both are, for gimp, simply
> plugins that enable printing.  Gimp has no deps on either, and can do 
> everything available in its menu's without either package being installed.
> 

Re: Fwd: Re: I have an update problem.

On Monday 02 July 2007, Todd Denniston wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Sat, 2007-06-30 at 10:57 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> The fedora track record in that
>>> dept. concerning printing is spotty at best.  Printing in general seems
>>> to
>>
>> be
>>
>>> something that sits on the back burner, with a _very_ limited gas supply
>>> (eg priority) at fedora.
>>
>> Gene,
>>
>> Upgrade to Fedora 7, where gutenprint is properly packaged.
>>
>> In Fedora 6, gutenprint was in Extras not Core -- and so had to be made
>> to co-exist with the older gimp-print package. (The discussion of why it
>> was this way has already been had, many times over, on
>> fedora-devel-list.)
>>
>> Tim.
>> */
>>
>> Tim, I don't care to do that just yet, I've had sufficient trouble putting
>> F7 on my lappy to not relish that thought just yet.  This is FC6 now, and
>> will probably remain that way till F8 is out.
>>
>> The primary mistake in the gimp packaging for FC6 is that you hard coded
>> the deps to absolutely require gimp-print, when in fact gimp has _no_

Re: Fwd: Re: I have an update problem.

On Monday 02 July 2007, Todd Denniston wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Sat, 2007-06-30 at 10:57 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> The fedora track record in that
>>> dept. concerning printing is spotty at best.  Printing in general seems
>>> to
>>
>> be
>>
>>> something that sits on the back burner, with a _very_ limited gas supply
>>> (eg priority) at fedora.
>>
>> Gene,
>>
>> Upgrade to Fedora 7, where gutenprint is properly packaged.
>>
>> In Fedora 6, gutenprint was in Extras not Core -- and so had to be made
>> to co-exist with the older gimp-print package. (The discussion of why it
>> was this way has already been had, many times over, on
>> fedora-devel-list.)
>>
>> Tim.
>> */
>>
>> Tim, I don't care to do that just yet, I've had sufficient trouble putting
>> F7 on my lappy to not relish that thought just yet.  This is FC6 now, and
>> will probably remain that way till F8 is out.
>>
>> The primary mistake in the gimp packaging for FC6 is that you hard coded
>> the deps to absolutely require gimp-print, when in fact gimp has _no_

Re: Fwd: Re: I have an update problem.

On Tuesday 03 July 2007, Gene Heskett wrote:
>On Monday 02 July 2007, Todd Denniston wrote:
>>Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2007-06-30 at 10:57 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>>> The fedora track record in that
>>>> dept. concerning printing is spotty at best.  Printing in general seems
>>>> to
>>>
>>> be
>>>
>>>> something that sits on the back burner, with a _very_ limited gas supply
>>>> (eg priority) at fedora.
>>>
>>> Gene,
>>>
>>> Upgrade to Fedora 7, where gutenprint is properly packaged.
>>>
>>> In Fedora 6, gutenprint was in Extras not Core -- and so had to be made
>>> to co-exist with the older gimp-print package. (The discussion of why it
>>> was this way has already been had, many times over, on
>>> fedora-devel-list.)
>>>
>>> Tim.
>>> */
>>>
>>> Tim, I don't care to do that just yet, I've had sufficient trouble
>>> putting F7 on my lappy to not relish that thought just yet.  This is FC6
>>> now, and will probably remain that way till F8 is out.
>>>
>>> The primary mistake in the gimp packaging for FC6 is that you hard coded

Re: [Gimp-print-announce] Gutenprint 5.0.1 Release: Distribution-independent binary packages

   Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:09:18 -0400
   From: Patrick Shanahan <ptilopteri <at> gmail.com>

   * Robert L Krawitz <rlk <at> alum.mit.edu> [06-19-07 22:45]:
   >    Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:06:12 -0400
   >    From: Patrick Shanahan <ptilopteri <at> gmail.com>
   ... 
   >    epson stylus photo 925
   >    selected shrink to fit, but outer edges did not print, acted more like
   > 	    crop.
   > 
   > If the source had margins already, then the margins would be shrunk
   > even more than with shrink to fit.

   I'm sorry.  I cannot quite grasp the meaning here, margins already.
   I believe that the default was shrink, which I choose.  Am I
   mis-understanding?

Is it possible that the actual file that you're printing (the
Postscript, presumably) was already cropping the output?

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Re: [Gimp-print-announce] Gutenprint 5.0.1 Release: Distribution-independent binary packages

* Robert L Krawitz <rlk <at> alum.mit.edu> [07-04-07 09:25]:
>    Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:09:18 -0400
>    From: Patrick Shanahan <ptilopteri <at> gmail.com>
> 
>    * Robert L Krawitz <rlk <at> alum.mit.edu> [06-19-07 22:45]:
>    >    Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:06:12 -0400
>    >    From: Patrick Shanahan <ptilopteri <at> gmail.com>
>    ... 
>    >    epson stylus photo 925
>    >    selected shrink to fit, but outer edges did not print, acted more like
>    > 	    crop.
>    > 
>    > If the source had margins already, then the margins would be shrunk
>    > even more than with shrink to fit.
> 
>    I'm sorry.  I cannot quite grasp the meaning here, margins already.
>    I believe that the default was shrink, which I choose.  Am I
>    mis-understanding?
> 
> Is it possible that the actual file that you're printing (the
> Postscript, presumably) was already cropping the output?

The actual ps file is 2.6mb, rather than post it to the list you may
see it here:
  http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/test.gp.ps

the file is complete and was set to 'shrink to fit'.

tks,

Re: [Gimp-print-announce] Gutenprint 5.0.1 Release: Distribution-independent binary packages

* Patrick Shanahan <ptilopteri <at> gmail.com> [07-04-07 10:30]:
> 
> The actual ps file is 2.6mb, rather than post it to the list you may
> see it here:
>   http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/test.gp.ps
>   
> the file is complete and was set to 'shrink to fit'.
> 

  
  ps:  this file is just black print.  The new gutenprint bleeds a lot
  of green into the black  :^(

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Re: [Gimp-print-announce] Gutenprint 5.0.1 Release: Distribution-independent binary packages

   Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:28:03 -0400
   From: Patrick Shanahan <ptilopteri <at> gmail.com>

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   * Robert L Krawitz <rlk <at> alum.mit.edu> [07-04-07 09:25]:
   >    Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:09:18 -0400
   >    From: Patrick Shanahan <ptilopteri <at> gmail.com>
   > 
   >    * Robert L Krawitz <rlk <at> alum.mit.edu> [06-19-07 22:45]:
   >    >    Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:06:12 -0400
   >    >    From: Patrick Shanahan <ptilopteri <at> gmail.com>
   >    ... 
   >    >    epson stylus photo 925
   >    >    selected shrink to fit, but outer edges did not print, acted more like
   >    > 	    crop.
   >    > 
   >    > If the source had margins already, then the margins would be shrunk
   >    > even more than with shrink to fit.
   > 
   >    I'm sorry.  I cannot quite grasp the meaning here, margins already.
   >    I believe that the default was shrink, which I choose.  Am I
   >    mis-understanding?
   > 
   > Is it possible that the actual file that you're printing (the
   > Postscript, presumably) was already cropping the output?

   The actual ps file is 2.6mb, rather than post it to the list you may
   see it here: