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SteX | 13 Feb 2005 23:24
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[mc - Midnight Commander] new release for hppa

Hi all,
I just finished the new pre-release (4.6.0-4.6.1-pre3) mc package for
Debian HPPA. I would like someone to take a look and eventually to give
some suggestion for its improvement.
You can apt-get both source and binary adding the following line in
/etc/apt/sources.list:

deb http://www.openlabs.it/~stex/debian ./
deb-src http://www.openlabs.it/~stex/debian ./

It has also been available for i386 and powerpc.
I would also like to submit a doubt: I used an HP9000/785 (C3k)
workstation for my work. How can I be sure that I compiled it as 32-bit
system binary of 64-bit system binary? If I remember well this C3k is a
64bit workstation, isn't it?

Thank you in advance for your precious help.

Regards

SteX

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Grant Grundler | 14 Feb 2005 03:15
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Re: [mc - Midnight Commander] new release for hppa

On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 11:24:35PM +0100, SteX wrote:
> I would also like to submit a doubt: I used an HP9000/785 (C3k)
> workstation for my work. How can I be sure that I compiled it as 32-bit
> system binary of 64-bit system binary? If I remember well this C3k is a
> 64bit workstation, isn't it?

While the c3k is PA 2.0 CPU and can run 64-bit kernels, all of
parisc-linux user space is 32-bit. Unless you specified
hppa64-linux-gcc, you'll be getting a 32-bit binary.

grant
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SteX | 14 Feb 2005 08:38
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Re: [mc - Midnight Commander] new release for hppa

On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 07:15:14PM -0700, Grant Grundler wrote:
Hi Grant + lists,
> > I would also like to submit a doubt: I used an HP9000/785 (C3k)
> > workstation for my work. How can I be sure that I compiled it as 32-bit
> > system binary of 64-bit system binary? If I remember well this C3k is a
> > 64bit workstation, isn't it?
> 
> While the c3k is PA 2.0 CPU and can run 64-bit kernels, all of
> parisc-linux user space is 32-bit. Unless you specified
> hppa64-linux-gcc, you'll be getting a 32-bit binary.

I haven't specified any particular compiler, so as you said, the package
is a 32-bit binary.
Do you want me to build the same pkg with the `hppa64-linux-gcc' and
provide it to you all?
Or is it enough for the Debian purpose to have the 32-bit binary?
Thank you in advance for your answer.

I appreciate any comment or critic on the mc pkg; Ludovic Drolez asked to
co-maintain the pkg for x86. Is it the case to have also an `official' uploader for hppa?

Thank you in advance

SteX

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SteX | 14 Feb 2005 08:48
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[hppa cross compiler]

Hi all,
are there any cross compilers for hppa in Debian bundle? what do you use to
x-compile from non-hppa to hppa?
Thank you in advance

Regards

SteX

PS: on ESIEE site I found some x-compilers, which I couldn't find as .deb;
is it the case to package for debian?
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Joel Soete | 14 Feb 2005 08:54
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RE: [parisc-linux] Re: [mc - Midnight Commander] new release for hppa

...
> > > system binary of 64-bit system binary? If I remember well this C3k
is
> a
> > > 64bit workstation, isn't it?
> > 
> > While the c3k is PA 2.0 CPU and can run 64-bit kernels, all of
> > parisc-linux user space is 32-bit. Unless you specified
> > hppa64-linux-gcc, you'll be getting a 32-bit binary.
> 
And afaik its pdc allow to boot either a 64bit kernel or a 32bit one :-)

> I haven't specified any particular compiler, so as you said, the package
> is a 32-bit binary.
> Do you want me to build the same pkg with the `hppa64-linux-gcc' and
> provide it to you all?
> Or is it enough for the Debian purpose to have the 32-bit binary?
> Thank you in advance for your answer.
> 
But we haven't yet 64bit user env available (iirc in the todo list of Carlos)
;-)

Hth,
    Joel
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Thibaut VARENE | 14 Feb 2005 09:30
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Re: [mc - Midnight Commander] new release for hppa

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> On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 07:15:14PM -0700, Grant Grundler wrote:
> Hi Grant + lists,
> > > I would also like to submit a doubt: I used an HP9000/785 (C3k)
> > > workstation for my work. How can I be sure that I compiled it as
32-bit
> > > system binary of 64-bit system binary? If I remember well this
C3k is a
> > > 64bit workstation, isn't it?
> > 
> > While the c3k is PA 2.0 CPU and can run 64-bit kernels, all of
> > parisc-linux user space is 32-bit. Unless you specified
> > hppa64-linux-gcc, you'll be getting a 32-bit binary.
> 
> I haven't specified any particular compiler, so as you said, the
package
> is a 32-bit binary.
> Do you want me to build the same pkg with the `hppa64-linux-gcc' and
> provide it to you all?
> Or is it enough for the Debian purpose to have the 32-bit binary?
> Thank you in advance for your answer.

As Grant said there is NO 64bit userland on parisc. 64bit binaries are
pointless (besides you're going to have hard time building any,
provided there is no 64bit glibc :-P).

> I appreciate any comment or critic on the mc pkg; Ludovic Drolez
asked to
> co-maintain the pkg for x86. Is it the case to have also an
`official' uploader for hppa?
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Thibaut VARENE | 14 Feb 2005 09:45
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Re: [parisc-linux] [hppa cross compiler]

> Hi all,
> are there any cross compilers for hppa in Debian bundle? what do you
use to
> x-compile from non-hppa to hppa?
> Thank you in advance

apt-cache search is used to look for packages. Alternatively you can
use packages.debian.org. Use toolchain-source to build cross
compilers.

OTOH, looking at the official website would have showed you this:
http://www.parisc-linux.org/software/index.html

Please avoid cross-posting when it's not necessary. debian-hppa is
meant to discuss Debian hppa related matters (userland), parisc-linux
is meant to discuss parisc linux *kernel* stuff.

Thx

Thibaut VARENE
PA/Linux ESIEE Team
http://www.pateam.org/
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Matthew Wilcox | 14 Feb 2005 13:12

Re: [mc - Midnight Commander] new release for hppa

On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:38:58AM +0100, SteX wrote:
> > While the c3k is PA 2.0 CPU and can run 64-bit kernels, all of
> > parisc-linux user space is 32-bit. Unless you specified
> > hppa64-linux-gcc, you'll be getting a 32-bit binary.
> 
> I haven't specified any particular compiler, so as you said, the package
> is a 32-bit binary.
> Do you want me to build the same pkg with the `hppa64-linux-gcc' and
> provide it to you all?
> Or is it enough for the Debian purpose to have the 32-bit binary?
> Thank you in advance for your answer.

As Grant said, there is no support for 64-bit userspace yet; only 32-bit.
A 64-bit build of mc wouldn't run on any parisc-linux machine.

> I appreciate any comment or critic on the mc pkg; Ludovic Drolez asked to
> co-maintain the pkg for x86. Is it the case to have also an `official' uploader for hppa?

It's certainly possible to do that, but the normal case is to upload on
one architecture and let the buildds for the other architectures chew
on it.

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Grant Grundler | 14 Feb 2005 18:49
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Re: [mc - Midnight Commander] new release for hppa

On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:38:58AM +0100, SteX wrote:
> Do you want me to build the same pkg with the `hppa64-linux-gcc' and
> provide it to you all?
> Or is it enough for the Debian purpose to have the 32-bit binary?
> Thank you in advance for your answer.

32-bit is sufficient right now - thanks.

64-bit user space isn't working (yet). 

> I appreciate any comment or critic on the mc pkg; Ludovic Drolez asked to
> co-maintain the pkg for x86.
> Is it the case to have also an `official' uploader for hppa?

Sorry - I don't understand the question - someone else will likely
have to answer anyway.

thanks,
grant
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Grant Grundler | 14 Feb 2005 18:54
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Re: [parisc-linux] Re: [mc - Midnight Commander] new release for hppa

On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 09:30:15AM +0100, Thibaut VARENE wrote:
> 64bit binaries are pointless

That's not true in general. It might be true to mc.
Apps that want > 4GB address space have to be 64-bit.

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