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Johnny A. Solbu | 1 Aug 2011 01:25

Re: Proxad looking for authentication?

On Mandag 1. august 2011 00:16, Rick Kunath wrote:
> Anyone else seeing the Proxad miror asking for authentication now?

I see this sometimes on ftp.free.fr

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Viacheslav Kaloshin | 1 Aug 2011 08:04
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What we plan to do with licensed programs [was Re: Software piracy problem [ was: mandriva 2011 rc2 ]]

Hi!

Let me explain the situation.

Yes, its our mistake to include all without double checking. We just want to make RC2 asap.

But anyway, please dont worry about including flash/codecs/etc in mandriva iso's and mirrors.

Now we check licenses for rpms we added and make additional repository for "non-free-not-permitted"
packages. All "bad" packages will be transferred to that repo.

In final, we get "pure and clean" iso, no any legal  problem with mirrors and users in some countries.

So I have one question:
- what we miss in this situation?

Viacheslav

----- Исходное сообщение -----
От: "Buchan Milne" <bgmilne <at> mandriva.org>
Кому: cooker <at> mandrivalinux.org
Копия: "Per Øyvind Karlsen" <peroyvind <at> mandriva.org>
Отправленные: Пятница, 29 Июль 2011 г 18:25:47
Тема: Re: [Cooker] Software piracy problem [ was: mandriva 2011 rc2 ]

On Thursday, 28 July 2011 04:47:55 Per Øyvind Karlsen wrote:
> Yes, we do actually have recently extended our agreement with Adobe
> allowing us to distribute flash as part of the distribution without the
> being incumbered by
> the previous restrictions which prevented us from shipping it as part
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Johnny A. Solbu | 1 Aug 2011 10:52

Re: What we plan to do with licensed programs [was Re: Software piracy problem [ was: mandriva 2011 rc2 ]]

On Mandag 1. august 2011 08:04, Viacheslav Kaloshin wrote:
> and make additional repository for "non-free-not-permitted" packages. All "bad" packages will be
transferred to that repo.

What's wrong with using the non-free tree which currently exist, or move it to PLF?
All you have to do is Not include anything from this in the Free edition and only include it in Powerpack,
which I understand is what has been done in all previous releases.

> In final, we get "pure and clean" iso, no any legal  problem with mirrors and users in some countries.

All you had to do was to state this earlier, and we might perhaps have avoided this discussion.
On the other hand the discussion might have been usefull anyway. :-)=

Also, on the previous releases this was the only downloadable ISOs anyway (FREE and ONE). Many of us didn't
understand why we now would start including Non-free software in the upcomming release. Just because
someone couldn't get Flash to work out of the box is no excuse to start including a Non-free Flashplayer in
the default release. 

Having Nonfree software in a supposedly Free distribution is why many switch to other distributions, like
Debian or Mageia. If this hadn't been resolved before the final release, I would have no choice but to
recommend my friends and family to move away from Mandriva as it clearly no longer was a Free Sofrware
distibution. There is a diference in having a Non-free branch in the repositories/mirrors and including
those branches in the default install. By forcing the user to manually having to enable the Non-free tree
you also help many users. They have to make a choise on having a system with only Free Software or "tainting"
their systems with Non-free software.

Also, by reading the subject it seems that you believe that most of the software in Mandriva does not have a
license. That is not so. Remember that the GNU GPL is a license which heavily depend on Copyright
protection, just like Microsofts EULAs. Don't fall into the trap of only considering proprietary
software as licensed software. :-)=
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Alexander Burmashev | 1 Aug 2011 10:55
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Re: What we plan to do with licensed programs [was Re: Software piracy problem [ was: mandriva 2011 rc2 ]]

The answer is - We are reverting back to the idea of Free release + addittional packages in non-free and plf
repo )

----- Исходное сообщение -----
От: "Viacheslav Kaloshin" <kvv <at> rosalab.ru>
Кому: cooker <at> mandrivalinux.org
Отправленные: Понедельник, 1 Август 2011 г 10:04:50
Тема: What we plan to do with licensed programs [was Re: [Cooker] Software piracy problem [ was:
mandriva 2011 rc2 ]]

Hi!

Let me explain the situation.

Yes, its our mistake to include all without double checking. We just want to make RC2 asap.

But anyway, please dont worry about including flash/codecs/etc in mandriva iso's and mirrors.

Now we check licenses for rpms we added and make additional repository for "non-free-not-permitted"
packages. All "bad" packages will be transferred to that repo.

In final, we get "pure and clean" iso, no any legal  problem with mirrors and users in some countries.

So I have one question:
- what we miss in this situation?

Viacheslav

----- Исходное сообщение -----
От: "Buchan Milne" <bgmilne <at> mandriva.org>
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Johnny A. Solbu | 1 Aug 2011 10:57

Re: What we plan to do with licensed programs [was Re: Software piracy problem [ was: mandriva 2011 rc2 ]]

On Mandag 1. august 2011 10:55, Alexander Burmashev wrote:
> The answer is - We are reverting back to the idea of Free release + addittional packages in non-free and plf
repo )

Hurray! :-)=

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Alex Burmashev | 1 Aug 2011 11:33
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Re: can't view .zip files using mc

should be fixed by next update.
01.08.2011 02:12, Nicolas Pomarède пишет:
> Hello
>
> from 'mc', I can enter .rar / .tgz / .7z but I can't enter in .zip 
> file (this used to work before). When pressing 'enter' on a zip file, 
> nothing happens (no error message)
>
> I'm using unzip-6.0-5-mdv2011.0.i586 and mc-4.7.5.2-2-mdv2012.0.i586, 
> maybe the output format of zip changed and mc can't parse it anymore ?
>
> Can other people reproduce this problem ?
>
> Nicolas
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Denis Koryavov | 1 Aug 2011 11:35
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Re: What we plan to do with licensed programs [was Re: Software piracy problem [ was: mandriva 2011 rc2 ]]

No. We will include redistributable non-free packages. Also, as Vyacheslav said, we'll create a separate
repository in which we'll include many packages from PLF. 
In ROSA Desktop they will be by default, in Mandriva not. So, each user can decide by himself - use or not these
non-distributable packages. Mirrors for the this distro
will be in Russia and other countries which do not recognize software patents.  

01.08.2011, в 12:55, Alexander Burmashev написал(а):

> The answer is - We are reverting back to the idea of Free release + addittional packages in non-free and plf
repo )
> 
> ----- Исходное сообщение -----
> От: "Viacheslav Kaloshin" <kvv <at> rosalab.ru>
> Кому: cooker <at> mandrivalinux.org
> Отправленные: Понедельник, 1 Август 2011 г 10:04:50
> Тема: What we plan to do with licensed programs [was Re: [Cooker] Software piracy problem [ was:
mandriva 2011 rc2 ]]
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Let me explain the situation.
> 
> Yes, its our mistake to include all without double checking. We just want to make RC2 asap.
> 
> But anyway, please dont worry about including flash/codecs/etc in mandriva iso's and mirrors.
> 
> Now we check licenses for rpms we added and make additional repository for "non-free-not-permitted"
packages. All "bad" packages will be transferred to that repo.
> 
> In final, we get "pure and clean" iso, no any legal  problem with mirrors and users in some countries.
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Alex Burmashev | 1 Aug 2011 11:36
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Re: What we plan to do with licensed programs [was Re: Software piracy problem [ was: mandriva 2011 rc2 ]]

This seems almost as Free / Powerpack for me )
01.08.2011 13:35, Denis Koryavov пишет:
> No. We will include redistributable non-free packages. Also, as Vyacheslav said, we'll create a
separate repository in which we'll include many packages from PLF.
> In ROSA Desktop they will be by default, in Mandriva not. So, each user can decide by himself - use or not
these non-distributable packages. Mirrors for the this distro
> will be in Russia and other countries which do not recognize software patents.
>
>
> 01.08.2011, в 12:55, Alexander Burmashev написал(а):
>
>> The answer is - We are reverting back to the idea of Free release + addittional packages in non-free and plf
repo )
>>
>> ----- Исходное сообщение -----
>> От: "Viacheslav Kaloshin"<kvv <at> rosalab.ru>
>> Кому: cooker <at> mandrivalinux.org
>> Отправленные: Понедельник, 1 Август 2011 г 10:04:50
>> Тема: What we plan to do with licensed programs [was Re: [Cooker] Software piracy problem [ was:
mandriva 2011 rc2 ]]
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Let me explain the situation.
>>
>> Yes, its our mistake to include all without double checking. We just want to make RC2 asap.
>>
>> But anyway, please dont worry about including flash/codecs/etc in mandriva iso's and mirrors.
>>
>> Now we check licenses for rpms we added and make additional repository for "non-free-not-permitted"
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Denis Koryavov | 1 Aug 2011 11:39
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Re: What we plan to do with licensed programs [was Re: Software piracy problem [ was: mandriva 2011 rc2 ]]

It seems pretty strange to me. What problem to do urpme [non-free-sofware]?

01.08.2011, в 12:52, Johnny A. Solbu написал(а):

> Having Nonfree software in a supposedly Free distribution is why many switch to other distributions,
like Debian or Mageia

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Michael Scherer | 1 Aug 2011 11:40

Re: What we plan to do with licensed programs [was Re: Software piracy problem [ was: mandriva 2011 rc2 ]]

Le lundi 01 août 2011 à 10:04 +0400, Viacheslav Kaloshin a écrit :
> Hi!
> 
> Let me explain the situation.
> 
> Yes, its our mistake to include all without double checking. We just want to make RC2 asap.
> 
> But anyway, please dont worry about including flash/codecs/etc in mandriva iso's and mirrors.

Personally, I think I will stop worrying about the flash plugin on
public mirrors when I will see the agreement about it being
distributable by anyone. 

> Now we check licenses for rpms we added and make additional repository for "non-free-not-permitted"
packages. 
> All "bad" packages will be transferred to that repo.

Could you elaborate a little ? More precisely :
- will this repo be on public mirrors ( in which case, that would not
solve the problem of Flash )
- how and what are the criteria to be moved there.
- how will that affect the requires and buildrequires ( ie, the self
containment rules of main and contrib )

> In final, we get "pure and clean" iso, no any legal  problem with mirrors and users in some countries.
> 
> So I have one question:
> - what we miss in this situation?

What would be the impact on the release ( ie, you plan to do last minute
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