Anderson Lizardo | 1 May 01:57 2004
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Re: LFS easier to learn than Windows :)

On Friday 30 April 2004 05:46, Andy Bennett wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > Just saw this today:
>
> http://polls.slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=1102&aid=-1
>
> > "Steep Learning Curve" means harder to learn or am I understanding it
>
> wrong?
>
> Perhaps many people will not vote for it because they do not know what it
> is...

[with "it" you meant the LFS project or "Steep Learning Curve"?]

Yep, I had to look at a English dictionary to know what "steep" means. And, 
even if many people know what it means, many are uncertain how the "learning 
curve" graph looks like (see the poll comments).

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Richard A Downing FBCS | 1 May 07:27 2004
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Re: LFS easier to learn than Windows :)

Anderson Lizardo wrote:
> On Friday 30 April 2004 05:46, Andy Bennett wrote:
> 
>>Hi,
>>
>>
>>>Just saw this today:
>>
>>http://polls.slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=1102&aid=-1
>>
>>
>>>"Steep Learning Curve" means harder to learn or am I understanding it
>>
>>wrong?
>>
>>Perhaps many people will not vote for it because they do not know what it
>>is...
> 
> 
> [with "it" you meant the LFS project or "Steep Learning Curve"?]
> 
> Yep, I had to look at a English dictionary to know what "steep" means. And, 
> even if many people know what it means, many are uncertain how the "learning 
> curve" graph looks like (see the poll comments).
> 

_Steep_ has, at least, two very different meanings in English.  Steep 
can refer to the angle of a hill - the greater, the steeper.  It can 
also mean to soak something by immersion - we used to preserve meat by 
steeping it in brine (salt water).
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Chris Lingard | 1 May 10:40 2004
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Re: Remote booting, take 2

Zack Winkles wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 08:46:26PM +0100, Chris Lingard wrote:
>> You can check that it boots by putting the kernel and the
>> initramfs.cpio.gz into /boot and booting it
>> 
>>         # Experimental
>>         title Experiment
>>         kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz-xxx root=/dev/ram0 rw init=linuxrc
>>         initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initramfs.cpio.gz
> 
> That part is wrong.  You're using initramfs like it's initrd, and it is
> not.  The `initrd' command is unnecessary, so is the `root=/dev/ram0'
> part.  You don't need ramdisk support in the kernel at all, in face.
> Simply put your initramfs cpio archive into
> `linux-2.6.5/usr/initramfs_data.cpio' and compile the kernel as normal.
> The archive will be built into the kernel.
> 
> The `init=linuxrc' line is also unused.  Just create the script in /init
> and the initramfs will be automatically mounted and ran, without any
> external files or anything of that sort.
> 
> Much cleaner than what you're doing.

LOL.  You are right; too many years thinking initrd is the thing

Just booted a kernel, that had my initramfs.cpio.gz built in

Chris

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Chris Lingard | 1 May 10:49 2004
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Re: Remote booting, take 2

Yann E. MORIN wrote:

> Once upon a time (on Friday 30 April 2004 21:46), Chris Lingard wrote :
>  > > The question is : do I need ROOT_NFS as I'm using an initrd?
>  > This might not be applicable, but you are using 2.6.5, so it might help
>  > You do not need any root partition :-) There is a feature called
>  > initramfs that you can use.  2.6.5 needs a minor patch; but future
>  > kernels will be OK.
> [--SNIP--]
> 
> For now, I'm using initrd, so I guess I'm using initramfs. The idea I
> had so far was :
>  - get the kernel and an initrd,
>  - configure network,
>  - mount the directory to use as root to /nfs-root,
>  - pivot_root to /nfs-root (and have the old root mounted on /initrd)
>  - exec /sbin/init on the new root
>      -> I get rid of any file descriptor on the old initrd root,
>  - umount /initrd later on in the boot process,
>  - dispose of memory used by the ramdisk.
> 
> That looks very much like what you described. So my way was not totaly
> stupid! :-)
> 
>  > You could then nfs mount /lib, /usr or whatever; then once your
>  > setup is complete could do exec /sbin/init on the nfs mounted system
> 
> I didn't think on keeping the initrd as a permanent root, and solely
> mounting the needed tree. That's interesting as well!
> 
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Richard A Downing FBCS | 1 May 11:48 2004
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Welcome to the EU.

Are there any LFS-Chatterers from the new EU member states?

If so, Happy Accession Day.

For our Non-European bretheren:  Today Malta, some of Cyprus, Poland, 
Hungary, The Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Lithuania, Latvia and 
Estonia joined the European Union.  To my mind this almost puts Europe 
back together properly after WW2.

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keithmo | 1 May 11:59 2004

Re: Welcome to the EU.

Yes, there was a big party here in Wroclaw, Poland last night. I didn't
go (I don't like crowds), but the fireworks were cool.

Some folks argue that joining the EU will be good for Poland. Some argue
it will be bad for Poland. I suspect both are right -- we'll just have
to take the bad with the good.

In either case, this is certainly an historic day to remember.

KM

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Ian Molton | 1 May 12:27 2004

Re: two questions

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:29:06 +0300
Shane Shields <locutusenterprises <at> hotpop.com> wrote:

> Welcome back and get well soon.

Thx.

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Ian Molton | 1 May 12:27 2004

Re: two questions

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 20:27:43 +0300
Shane Shields <locutusenterprises <at> hotpop.com> wrote:

> Just as a suggestion and I don't mean to get personal or anything but maybe 
> you should trim your nails sometimes :) Maybe your body needs some fiber but 
> I think that salad would be a lot more appetizing than wood. I would also 
> suggest some warm milk and cookies which also has the effect of calming the 
> savage psyche :)

:-)

Dragons are carniverous (except for cookies, yum...)

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Jochen Schroeder | 1 May 14:02 2004
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Re: [RFC] Mail Wrap

Ian Molton wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:23:03 -0400
> Hui Zhou <zhouhui <at> wam.umd.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
>>The algorithm of reflowing is not much more complex than 
>>rewrapping Ian's unwrapped lines, so there is no difficulty to put it 
>>into any mail reader. 
> 
> 
> the RFC (if its as widely supported as it appears) looks like a viable compromise for now. I'll ask about it
on the sylpheed mailinglist.
> 
Wow does that mean we actually have a compromise :-o !?
I can't believe it!

Cheers
Jochen

BTW Welcome back Ian, I was already wondering why you've been so silent 
(very unusual ;-)

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Ian Molton | 1 May 14:22 2004

Re: [RFC] Mail Wrap

On Sat, 01 May 2004 14:02:41 +0200
Jochen Schroeder <jschrod <at> uni-muenster.de> wrote:

> > the RFC (if its as widely supported as it appears) looks like a viable compromise for now. I'll ask about it
on the sylpheed mailinglist.
> > 
> Wow does that mean we actually have a compromise :-o !?
> I can't believe it!

well, maybe. Sylpheed doesnt support the RFC yet it seems...

> BTW Welcome back Ian, I was already wondering why you've been so silent 

Hi ;-)

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