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Andrew Benton | 1 Jan 2012 04:40
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Re: Gtk-Gnutella and wpa_supplicant

On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:07:56 +0000
Ken Moffat <zarniwhoop <at> ntlworld.com> wrote:

>  I wasn't aware of the word servent before, but it seems to be in
> common use for this.

It's a combination of the words client and server. Each node on the
network can upload or download files.

>  Gtk-gnutella looks fully detailed, and you
> seem to know how to use it.

Thanks.

> 
>  Wpa_supplicant is reputedly useful (i.e. mentioned from time to
> time on -support : I don't have wifi except on my netbook), and the
> page looks good except for the lack of description, LFS-7.0 tag, and
> space/time : I'm currently going through the gnome-3 packages to see
> which need one or other of description and space/time, so I'm tuned
> to notice that ;-)

Thanks, I hadn't noticed the description at the top was missing.

> 
>  This year has been a shock to me - I favoured reducing the number
> of packages, but here I am preparing to merge another 75 into the
> book.  On that basis, another two or twentytwo is neither here nor
> there.  I suppose some of it is just the way that the number of
> packages grows.
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Ken Moffat | 3 Jan 2012 03:52

Re: gnome-3 : issues

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 09:04:27PM +0000, Ken Moffat wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 08:16:33PM +0000, Ken Moffat wrote:
> > 
> >  There are a number of additional packages which might be contentious,
> > as well as a few other points to discuss (if this approach is
> > agreeable),
> 
> 1. Cantarell fonts - I'm surprised that the gnome devs prefer a
> specific font, instead of letting fontconfig use whatever has been
> configured.  I don't understand why this should be included, and
> perhaps an entry in the Xft part of Xorg-7.6-2 Testing and
> Configuration would be more appropriate ?

 Actually, it's a *very* nice font - targetted at *small* sizes.
Since the gnome3 devs apparently target netbooks and such-like, I
can see why they want this.  But, I still think a pointer to the
appropriate place in Xorg is the correct place for this.  I'm
certainly going to be using it in my future desktop builds, even
those with 'minimal' gnome-3, because fonts which render at 6pt are
useful to me for another hobby (and I use abiword, which is too
stupid to use fontconfig!).
> 
> 2. Poppler - Wayne has 0.18.1, I used 0.18.2.  These don't support
> kde3 so I'm not changing the book until the future of kde3/trinity
> is more clear.
> 
 And since I'm replying to myself, a question for Bruce and anyone
else building trinity - can trinity's kdegraphics use the 'kde4' (I
suppose that means QT-4, but I'm not certain) part of poppler-0.18 ?
Some of us not using kde3 would really like to move on (I have no
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Bruce Dubbs | 3 Jan 2012 04:05
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Re: gnome-3 : issues


On Jan 2, 2012 8:52 PM, "Ken Moffat" <zarniwhoop <at> ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 09:04:27PM +0000, Ken Moffat wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 08:16:33PM +0000, Ken Moffat wrote:
> > >

>
>  And since I'm replying to myself, a question for Bruce and anyone
> else building trinity - can trinity's kdegraphics use the 'kde4' (I
> suppose that means QT-4, but I'm not certain) part of poppler-0.18 ?
> Some of us not using kde3 would really like to move on (I have no
> specific "needs poppler-0.18" requirement at the moment, I just use
> it

Qt3 and Qt4 are completely different libraries. To a certain extent there are some similarities, but the library names completely different.  If a program calls something like QString(), then the right library has to be linked in. I can't really see the same program using both a Qt3 and a Qt4 library.

Short answer for Trinity, no it can't use Qt4.

  -- Bruce

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Ken Moffat | 3 Jan 2012 04:14

Re: gnome-3 : issues

On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 09:05:08PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
> On Jan 2, 2012 8:52 PM, "Ken Moffat" <zarniwhoop <at> ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >  And since I'm replying to myself, a question for Bruce and anyone
> > else building trinity - can trinity's kdegraphics use the 'kde4' (I
> > suppose that means QT-4, but I'm not certain) part of poppler-0.18 ?
> > Some of us not using kde3 would really like to move on (I have no
> > specific "needs poppler-0.18" requirement at the moment, I just use
> > it
> 
> Qt3 and Qt4 are completely different libraries. To a certain extent there
> are some similarities, but the library names completely different.  If a
> program calls something like QString(), then the right library has to be
> linked in. I can't really see the same program using both a Qt3 and a Qt4
> library.
> 
> Short answer for Trinity, no it can't use Qt4.
> 
>   -- Bruce

 Thanks for the quick reply.  So, the book is stuck with an old
poppler sine die ?

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Janis | 3 Jan 2012 11:41
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Re: postfix

Bruce Dubbs <bruce.dubbs <at> gmail.com> writes:

> >> Fourth, the file ./src/util/sys_defs.h defines HAS_NIS.  This causes
> >> failure in a couple of programs looking for rpcsvc/ypclnt.h.  I have no
> >> idea where to find this.  The only workaround is to remove the HAS_NIS
> >> definition with something like
> >>
> >> #ifdef HAS_NIS
> >>     #undef HAS_NIS
> >> #endif
> >>
> >> at the bottom of ./src/util/sys_defs.h.
> 
> > Back to the NIS support being gone in glibc. 
> 
> Oh yes.  Does anyone really use NIS any more?

i get suh error:

gcc -Wmissing-prototypes -Wformat -I/usr/include/db4 -DUSE_TLS -DUSE_SASL_AUTH
-DDEF_SERVER_SASL_TYPE="dovecot" -DHAS_PCRE  -g -O -I. -DLINUX2 -c dict_nis.c

dict_nis.c:42:27: fatal error: rpcsvc/ypclnt.h: No such file or directory

I have to note, that, for exapmle yotools-2.12 (on Slack64 13.37, cur) does not
have such include file, the only existing under rpcsvc is ypxfrd.x whatever it
means.

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Janis | 3 Jan 2012 12:15
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Re: postfix

Janis <je <at> ktf.rtu.lv> writes:

> i get suh error:
> 
> gcc -Wmissing-prototypes -Wformat -I/usr/include/db4 -DUSE_TLS -DUSE_SASL_AUTH
> -DDEF_SERVER_SASL_TYPE="dovecot" -DHAS_PCRE  -g -O -I. -DLINUX2 -c dict_nis.c
> 
> dict_nis.c:42:27: fatal error: rpcsvc/ypclnt.h: No such file or directory
> 
> I have to note, that, for exapmle yotools-2.12 (on Slack64 13.37, cur) does not
> have such include file, the only existing under rpcsvc is ypxfrd.x whatever it
> means.

I have to sorry about not reseaching the subject beforehand - I found out glibc
2.14.1 dropped histrical NIS/RPC support so the question now is - whether it is
possible at all to build postfix on glibc-2.14.1 based system

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Ken Moffat | 4 Jan 2012 17:21

gnome legacy

 I've put a preview of the changes for moving the legacy gnome
packages at
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~ken/tmp/blfs-legacy-move/

 The index now has a new chapter 35, 'Deprecated GNOME Packages'
with libraries that will continue, for a time, in the book after
gnome-3 has been merged in.  Each of these packages includes an
explanatory Note.

 I've also moved gnome-media into Audio Utilities (now chapter 41)
and put a comment on it, as well as pointing to volumecontrol (ugly,
gtk2, but works as a mixer) and gvolwheel (known to work well on
icewm, but *doesn't* contain mute/unmute functionality).

 This preview contents are probably slightly out of date now, and I
haven't updated the details of the legacy/deprecated packages.  This
preview is just for comment on wording, etc.

                          - + - + -

 Perhaps I should also note that although I was building all of
these packages until last month (ostensibly, the libraries were for
abiword and gnumeric, as well as gnome-mixer), I've now discovered
that *for my use case* there is no difference in the functionality
or user interface of abiword or gnumeric if I admit them, merely a
reduction in the number of libraries linked in!

 But, I don't have a full gnome-2 desktop and I'm in no hurry to
throw out what people *might* be relying on.  I might suggest adding
gvolwheel and removing gnome-mixer in perhaps 3 months, once we can
all see how gnome-3 and pulse are doing.  But at the moment, I've
only proved that gvolwheel works nicely on icewm (from the programs
menu, NOT from the startup script!), I'll be testing it on fluxbox
in a couple of days or so.  And pavucontrol is perhaps a possible
package to consider - dunno, I didn't manage to get pulse working
last month, will suspend judgement until I've built a gnome-3
desktop.

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Jean-Philippe MENGUAL | 4 Jan 2012 13:53
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2 issues in the book

Hi,

As we think it can help, the French translation team wishes to report
you 2 little issues in the book.

The lest important is in the changelog. Since the reorganization of
changelog, the changes between 2011, January and March have disappeared
completely. In French, we let them, but maybe it'd be a good thing to
have them in English too. Because now, it creates a gap of 2 months
without explanation between 2010 and 2011.

A slightly more important issue is in openoffice.xml. The lines 378-385
are repeated twice, as we read them in 398-404 too. Here's the contents:
> 
> <para><parameter>--with-use-shell=bash</parameter>: Tells the
> <application>OpenOffice</application> build system to use
> <command>bash</command> instead of <command>tcsh</command>.</para>
> 
> <para><command>./bootstrap</command>: Build the
> <command>dmake</command> utility required to complete the
>      build.</para>
> 
> <para>
>
<parameter>--with-lang=<replaceable>&lt;LANG&gt;</replaceable></parameter>:
>      Allows the use of additional languages in
> <application>OpenOffice</application>. US English (ENUS) is the
>      default.</para>
> 
> <para>
>
<parameter>--with-dict=<replaceable>&lt;LANG&gt;</replaceable></parameter>:
>      Allows the use of alternate dictionaries in
> <application>OpenOffice</application>. US English (ENUS) is the
>      default.</para>
> 
> <para><parameter>--with-use-shell=bash</parameter>: Tells the
> <application>OpenOffice</application> build system to use
> <command>bash</command> instead of <command>tcsh</command>.</para>
> 
> <para><command>./bootstrap</command>: Build the
> <command>dmake</command> utility required to complete the
>      build.</para>

A little fix seems to be useful.

Hope it helps to improve the quality of the book,

Thanks for all your work.

Regards,

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Bruce Dubbs | 5 Jan 2012 07:27
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Re: gnome-3 : issues

Ken Moffat wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 09:05:08PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
>> On Jan 2, 2012 8:52 PM, "Ken Moffat" <zarniwhoop <at> ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>  And since I'm replying to myself, a question for Bruce and anyone
>>> else building trinity - can trinity's kdegraphics use the 'kde4' (I
>>> suppose that means QT-4, but I'm not certain) part of poppler-0.18 ?
>>> Some of us not using kde3 would really like to move on (I have no
>>> specific "needs poppler-0.18" requirement at the moment, I just use
>>> it
>> Qt3 and Qt4 are completely different libraries. To a certain extent there
>> are some similarities, but the library names completely different.  If a
>> program calls something like QString(), then the right library has to be
>> linked in. I can't really see the same program using both a Qt3 and a Qt4
>> library.
>>
>> Short answer for Trinity, no it can't use Qt4.
>>
>>   -- Bruce
> 
>  Thanks for the quick reply.  So, the book is stuck with an old
> poppler sine die ?

No, not really.  We can build two different versions of poppler, one 
with Qt3 and one with Qt4.  It does get a little tricky though.

I ran into the same problem with qca (Qt Crypto Architecture).  My 
solution was to build a library called qca2.

For poppler, we could build a libpoppler-qt3 library and fix Trinity to 
use it.  Then we could build libpoppler-qt which uses Qt4 for everybody 
else.

A quick check shows that the current poppler is version 0.18.2 and that 
only supports Qt4.  Specifically, -lQtGui -lQtXml -lQtCore.

  For kdegraphics, we would need an older version.  What I think we 
should do is just update poppler for general use and I'll add a page to 
Trinity with the older poppler.  The change log says Qt3 was removed 
with version 0.17, so I'd need to go back to at least version 0.16.

   -- Bruce

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Bruce Dubbs | 5 Jan 2012 07:36
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Re: 2 issues in the book

Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> As we think it can help, the French translation team wishes to report
> you 2 little issues in the book.
> 
> The lest important is in the changelog. Since the reorganization of
> changelog, the changes between 2011, January and March have disappeared
> completely. In French, we let them, but maybe it'd be a good thing to
> have them in English too. Because now, it creates a gap of 2 months
> without explanation between 2010 and 2011.

I'm going to move the 2011 changes to a .txt file and I'll get those 
changes in there.  Thanks for reporting.

   -- Bruce
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