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Randy McMurchy | 3 Oct 2008 02:39
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Xorg-7.4

Hi all,

Does anyone have a current wget list for the Xorg-7.4 packages?

BLFS is so far behind and I'm using such a new cut of LFS that
I don't even want to try building until I get a decent list of
7.4 packages.

I can see at
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/util/modular/tree/module-list.txt
a list of packages, but that list doesn't break it down by the
individual sections as we have it in the book.

There's also http://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/7.4, but that page
doesn't include all the packages.

DJ/Dan, how do you normally go about fishing out all the required
packages for an Xorg release? I'll be happy to guinea pig an
installation, but not having experience creating the wget list
simply makes this task difficult for me.

Any help from the community would be appreciated.

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TheOldFellow | 3 Oct 2008 07:27
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Re: Xorg-7.4

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:39:04 -0500
Randy McMurchy <randy <at> linuxfromscratch.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone have a current wget list for the Xorg-7.4 packages?
> 
> BLFS is so far behind and I'm using such a new cut of LFS that
> I don't even want to try building until I get a decent list of
> 7.4 packages.
> 
> I can see at
> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/util/modular/tree/module-list.txt
> a list of packages, but that list doesn't break it down by the
> individual sections as we have it in the book.
> 
> There's also http://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/7.4, but that page
> doesn't include all the packages.
> 
> DJ/Dan, how do you normally go about fishing out all the required
> packages for an Xorg release? I'll be happy to guinea pig an
> installation, but not having experience creating the wget list
> simply makes this task difficult for me.
> 
> Any help from the community would be appreciated.
> 

I used CBLFS's wgets for my last build, although that was before 7.4
final.
R.
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Petr Ovtchenkov | 3 Oct 2008 07:59

Re: Xorg-7.4

On Friday 03 October 2008 04:39:04 Randy McMurchy wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone have a current wget list for the Xorg-7.4 packages?
> 
> BLFS is so far behind and I'm using such a new cut of LFS that
> I don't even want to try building until I get a decent list of
> 7.4 packages.
> 
> I can see at
> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/util/modular/tree/module-list.txt
> a list of packages, but that list doesn't break it down by the
> individual sections as we have it in the book.
> 
> There's also http://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/7.4, but that page
> doesn't include all the packages.
> 
> DJ/Dan, how do you normally go about fishing out all the required
> packages for an Xorg release? I'll be happy to guinea pig an
> installation, but not having experience creating the wget list
> simply makes this task difficult for me.
> 
> Any help from the community would be appreciated.
> 
> -- 
> Randy

[some refs to /pub/individual/ due to wrong links in /pub/X11R7.4 ]

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Ken Moffat | 3 Oct 2008 13:33
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Re: Xorg-7.4

On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 07:39:04PM -0500, Randy McMurchy wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone have a current wget list for the Xorg-7.4 packages?
> 
> BLFS is so far behind and I'm using such a new cut of LFS that
> I don't even want to try building until I get a decent list of
> 7.4 packages.
> 
> I can see at
> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/util/modular/tree/module-list.txt
> a list of packages, but that list doesn't break it down by the
> individual sections as we have it in the book.

 I don't use the wget lists, and I only build what I think I need,
but how about http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/X11R7.4/src/ ?

 Built it for the first time yesterday (I'm still on gcc-4.2.4, but
I doubt that matters for any of the xorg packages).  Not yet sure
it's working to my satisfaction (I'm using fluxbox until I've built
a lizard and then icewm, and the keyboard is limited, but maybe it
always was).  This is with lots of things upgraded - a new
pkg-config, and upgrades ready for gnome-2.24 packages.

 Until the current problems with intel chipsets and the kernel (or
xorg) 'e1000e' bug are understood (people have had their hardware
bricked on 2.6.27-rc kernels with leading-edge xorg) I recommend
caution to anyone using an intel ICH* chipset.

 ISTR that BLFS isn't fully on-board for pixman/xcb/cairo, maybe
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Ken Moffat | 3 Oct 2008 15:53
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Re: Xorg-7.4

On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 12:33:05PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote:
> 
>  Built it for the first time yesterday (I'm still on gcc-4.2.4, but
> I doubt that matters for any of the xorg packages).  Not yet sure
> it's working to my satisfaction (I'm using fluxbox until I've built
> a lizard and then icewm, and the keyboard is limited, but maybe it
> always was).  This is with lots of things upgraded - a new
> pkg-config, and upgrades ready for gnome-2.24 packages.
> 
 It isn't satisfactory - I'm now in icewm, but I've lost my extra
keys mapped to AltGr+letter (chevron punctuation as in French,
German double-s, obsolete greenlandic kra, etc), compose (menu key),
dead keys (AltGr + whatever, e.g. AltGr + ';' for acute accent).

 I've also lost my remap-to-greek/russian settings (scripts in
icewm, changing from latin map with both shift keys - I suspect the
shift keys are not being recognised).  The code for the greek keymap
is

  setxkbmap -layout gb,gr -variant ,extended -option compose:menu \
    -option grp:shifts_toggle -option grp_led:scroll

 So I'm going to have to investigate keyboard handling under 7.4.

 One of the reasons why I use icewm is that it's been happy to let
me stay with the "horrible pattern" black and white background.  I
thought I might have to specify "startx -retro" with
xorg-server-1.5.1 but in fact I've still got the pattern - perhaps
smaller than it used to be, but definitely not a solid background.
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Dan Nicholson | 3 Oct 2008 16:53
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Re: Xorg-7.4

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Randy McMurchy
<randy <at> linuxfromscratch.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone have a current wget list for the Xorg-7.4 packages?
>
> BLFS is so far behind and I'm using such a new cut of LFS that
> I don't even want to try building until I get a decent list of
> 7.4 packages.
>
> I can see at
> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/util/modular/tree/module-list.txt
> a list of packages, but that list doesn't break it down by the
> individual sections as we have it in the book.

Yeah, that's the file you want to make this sane. I commend you for
finding it. This is probably the exact commit that corresponds to
what's in 7.4:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/util/modular/commit/?id=981865dd8396601997dcd5ff6408ec97972f61de

I'm gonna try to bug Adam Jackson to tag it or something. I actually
have an idea that those files should be released as a tarball when the
Xorg release is made. Then you have the module list and the "official"
build scripts. Oh, it looks like Matthieu Herrb has at least added the
git tag for XORG-7_4.

As far as having it broken down by section, you're probably just going
to have to brute force it. I used to do something like this:
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Ken Moffat | 3 Oct 2008 19:41
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Re: Xorg-7.4

On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 02:53:39PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 12:33:05PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote:
> > 
> >  Built it for the first time yesterday (I'm still on gcc-4.2.4, but
> > I doubt that matters for any of the xorg packages).  Not yet sure
> > it's working to my satisfaction (I'm using fluxbox until I've built
> > a lizard and then icewm, and the keyboard is limited, but maybe it
> > always was).  This is with lots of things upgraded - a new
> > pkg-config, and upgrades ready for gnome-2.24 packages.
> > 
>  It isn't satisfactory - I'm now in icewm, but I've lost my extra
> keys mapped to AltGr+letter (chevron punctuation as in French,
> German double-s, obsolete greenlandic kra, etc), compose (menu key),
> dead keys (AltGr + whatever, e.g. AltGr + ';' for acute accent).
> 
 Sorted.  I'd somehow formed the belief that xkeyboard-config was
now deprecated.  My Xorg log showed X was falling back to pre-XKB
keyboard settings because it couldn't find the rules.

 Xkeyboard-config-1.4 was released a few days ago, dunno if that
means it's technically too late for 7.4, but it works for me.

 It also blew a hole in my "let's see if I can do without intltool"
plan, but that's hardly a big deal and I'd already downloaded 0.40.4
in case I needed it.

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Dan Nicholson | 3 Oct 2008 20:43
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Re: Xorg-7.4

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Ken Moffat <ken <at> linuxfromscratch.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 02:53:39PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 12:33:05PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote:
>> >
>> >  Built it for the first time yesterday (I'm still on gcc-4.2.4, but
>> > I doubt that matters for any of the xorg packages).  Not yet sure
>> > it's working to my satisfaction (I'm using fluxbox until I've built
>> > a lizard and then icewm, and the keyboard is limited, but maybe it
>> > always was).  This is with lots of things upgraded - a new
>> > pkg-config, and upgrades ready for gnome-2.24 packages.
>> >
>>  It isn't satisfactory - I'm now in icewm, but I've lost my extra
>> keys mapped to AltGr+letter (chevron punctuation as in French,
>> German double-s, obsolete greenlandic kra, etc), compose (menu key),
>> dead keys (AltGr + whatever, e.g. AltGr + ';' for acute accent).
>>
>  Sorted.  I'd somehow formed the belief that xkeyboard-config was
> now deprecated.  My Xorg log showed X was falling back to pre-XKB
> keyboard settings because it couldn't find the rules.
>
>  Xkeyboard-config-1.4 was released a few days ago, dunno if that
> means it's technically too late for 7.4, but it works for me.

You definitely want the new release. It adds support for a specific
keyboard model for evdev, which the evdev driver hardcodes. Unless, of
course, you don't use the evdev input module.

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Ken Moffat | 3 Oct 2008 22:23
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Re: Xorg-7.4

On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 11:43:45AM -0700, Dan Nicholson wrote:
> >  Sorted.  I'd somehow formed the belief that xkeyboard-config was
> > now deprecated.  My Xorg log showed X was falling back to pre-XKB
> > keyboard settings because it couldn't find the rules.
> >
> >  Xkeyboard-config-1.4 was released a few days ago, dunno if that
> > means it's technically too late for 7.4, but it works for me.
> 
> You definitely want the new release. It adds support for a specific
> keyboard model for evdev, which the evdev driver hardcodes. Unless, of
> course, you don't use the evdev input module.
> 
 Dunno.  I've built xf86-input-evdev, I assume I don't have to
specify something in xorg.conf to actually use it ?

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Trent Shea | 4 Oct 2008 06:21
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Re: Xorg-7.4

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:39:04 -0700, Randy McMurchy  
<randy <at> linuxfromscratch.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone have a current wget list for the Xorg-7.4 packages?

Hi,

This has some breakdown of the 7.4 release:
http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R7.4/src/

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