David Van Assche | 1 Nov 01:01
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Re: [sugar] Sugar on Ubuntu LiveUSB is ready

The politics are far more complicated, edubuntu used to be a thriving
community, which prompted Canonical to market the Educational side
more and use the Ubuntu branding rather than edubuntu. It caused some
confusion and the community sort of migrated to various areas, the
most notable being LTSP. The main 'paid' edubuntu developer was moved
to edubuntu netbook remix (also an education project) but is still
quite active in upstream LTSP and edubuntu support. The
marketing/education contracts guy is still paid by canonical and
working on the educational side, so I wouldn't say they've given up,
they've just made some strange re-branding decisions. Anyway, there is
more info at the meeting next wednesday 18.00 UTC at #ubuntu-meeting
for those interested in hearing the future of edubuntu and ubuntu in
education, as well as how sugar can play a role there. I believe
Morgan Collet will be presenting Sugar there.

Kind Regards,
David Van Assche

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:51 PM, David Farning <dfarning@...> wrote:
> There is a Edubuntu developer planning session on Nov 5th.  At that point,
> we will see about the process of making Subuntu an official release.  Ubuntu
> educational efforts have not seemed to pay off for them yet.  They have
> recently shifted their inhouse edubuntu developer to Ubuntu mobile.
>
> thanks
> david
>
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:20 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu@...> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:19 AM, David Farning <dfarning@...>
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David Farning | 1 Nov 01:17
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Re: [sugar] Sugar on Ubuntu LiveUSB is ready

Thanks David that explanation make a lot more sense than my naive one.

Who is the marketing/education contract guy?  I would like to touch base with him.

I will also be at the meeting to explain background issues if necessary.  The other guys on the Ubuntu SugarTeam have gained much more credibility in the Ubuntu community and will be speaking for us.

thanks
david

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:01 PM, David Van Assche <dvanassche-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
The politics are far more complicated, edubuntu used to be a thriving
community, which prompted Canonical to market the Educational side
more and use the Ubuntu branding rather than edubuntu. It caused some
confusion and the community sort of migrated to various areas, the
most notable being LTSP. The main 'paid' edubuntu developer was moved
to edubuntu netbook remix (also an education project) but is still
quite active in upstream LTSP and edubuntu support. The
marketing/education contracts guy is still paid by canonical and
working on the educational side, so I wouldn't say they've given up,
they've just made some strange re-branding decisions. Anyway, there is
more info at the meeting next wednesday 18.00 UTC at #ubuntu-meeting
for those interested in hearing the future of edubuntu and ubuntu in
education, as well as how sugar can play a role there. I believe
Morgan Collet will be presenting Sugar there.

Kind Regards,
David Van Assche

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:51 PM, David Farning <dfarning-agl9EP5VjmEgsBAKwltoeQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> There is a Edubuntu developer planning session on Nov 5th.  At that point,
> we will see about the process of making Subuntu an official release.  Ubuntu
> educational efforts have not seemed to pay off for them yet.  They have
> recently shifted their inhouse edubuntu developer to Ubuntu mobile.
>
> thanks
> david
>
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:20 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu-XCtybt49RKsYaV1qd6yewg@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:19 AM, David Farning <dfarning-agl9EP5VjmEgsBAKwltoeQ@public.gmane.org>
>> wrote:
>> > It looks like our friends at Ubuntu have been hard at work building a
>> > Subuntu live usb.  Simon Peter, also know as probono, has posted
>> > information
>> > on downloading and building the usb at
>> >
>> > http://dev.laptop.org/~probono/sbuntu/
>> >
>> > Thanks to the Ubuntu SugarTeam for packaging Sugar on Ubuntu and to
>> > Probono
>> > for building the sugar.squashfs.
>>
>> Awesome! Congrats to all the Ubuntu Sugarteam.
>>
>> Have already been any discussions about adding Subuntu to the list of
>> official Ubuntu derivatives for the next release? Something similar to
>> the Fedora Sugar spin?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tomeu
>
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Caroline Meeks | 1 Nov 01:18

Re: [sugar] USB Based Community Access - What could work technically?

Yes, lets definitely work together on this!

Thanks,
Caroline

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Edward Cherlin <echerlin <at> gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Caroline Meeks
<caroline <at> solutiongrove.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This is a request for technical assistance for "Sugar on a Stick".
>
> It looks like we have a pilot school for our USB boot project,

Earth Treasury is making arrangements for two more, in Ghana and
Uganda. Perhaps we can work together on this.

Our use case is one donated desktop computer at school, and one at
home, per student, with transfer of work over a network or on USB
stick. Students should also be able to carry their work with them, and
plug in a USB stick to boot Linux+Sugar on any computer they are
allowed to use.

We are told that the computers plus local network and other
peripherals are available in Africa for the cost of trucking them to
the site. OneVillage Foundation Ghana and Winneba Linux User Group
will join in to provide wireless networking, and Fantsuam Foundation
for microfinance. We will need to provide primary electricity
(probably solar) for one site, and backup power for both. We will work
with University of Education Winneba on teacher training, curriculum,
and teaching materials.

Once we get through these pilots, we expect that we can expand this
program, at a very low cost per student, to whatever extent that
funding can be arranged, and that companies will donate their used
computers when they upgrade.

> and a grant
> proposal in so I am trying to think through various use cases around
> creating ubiquitous access with a USB storage device.  I've written up some
> use cases here:
>
> http://www.sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam/School_Key#Vision_of_different_ways_the_USB_might_work_in_the_students_environment
>
> I'd love thoughts on what is feasible, how hard, and how much benefit would
> each scenario actually provide.
>
> I've done tests to show that "Home" and "Grandma's" are feasible.  I'm
> curious as to whether putting some of the boot files on the hard drive (Zoo)
> could reduce boot time or have any other advanatages as most of our donated
> computers will likely have working disk drives.  I wonder if combining with
> a LTSP or other virtualization scheme is possible (YMCA/School).
>
> Note all scenarios are fictional.
>
> Write your ideas here or on the Wiki page as you see fit.
>
> Thanks!
> Caroline
>
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Tomeu Vizoso | 1 Nov 11:27

Re: Sucrose 0.83.1 Development Release

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:30 PM, S Page <info <at> skierpage.com> wrote:
> Simon Schampijer wrote:
>> This is our first Development Release in the 0.84 cycle. The code base
>> has seen many refactoring efforts to improve the platform.
>
> Will OLPC joyride builds pick up the new Sucrose?

Sure. Hopefully soon.

>> Furthermore the datastore has been rewritten, to simplify and improve
>> maintainability. The API has been kept in place.
>
> What happens when you upgrade an XO with the old datastore?

The old datastore will be updated to the new format.

> What happens if you then downgrade it?

You lose.

>> Sugar moved to use Gconf as a back end to store the profile.
> When you upgrade an XO, does it import your old profile
> (~olpc/.sugar/default/config)?

Yup.

> What happens if you then downgrade?

You will be prompted to enter again a name, choose a color, etc.

>> An ABI policy has been figured out and modules have been marked as
>> STABLE / UNSTABLE / DEPRECATED.
> Where are they marked, in the .py files?

Yes, in the docstrings so it should make it to places like
http://api.sugarlabs.org

>> == Fructose news ==
>> ...
>
> Are the new activity versions backwards-compatible with 8.2?  If so, the
> maze of Activity lists should be updated.

Most of them yes, a notable exception is Browse because depends on
xulrunner and hulahop. Read has the same issue, but evince hasn't been
updated (yet) so for now it should work.

> Currently http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Joyride pulls in
> Activities/G1G1 , as does Activities/G1G1/8.2, and that list still
> references old versions -- Browse 98 not 100, Read 52 not 60, etc. --
> even though the links say "Browse (latest)".

Who could take care of this?

>> Full Release Notes:
>> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam/Releases/Sucrose/0.83.1
> Maybe you could address these questions in a ==Compatibility== section
> in the release notes.

Yes, I agree this is an important issue that should be given greater
relevance in the release notes.

> The changes and fixes sound excellent!

More coming!

Thanks,

Tomeu
Release Team | 1 Nov 13:15
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Reviews report

= New requests =

Control Panel needs to list wireless firmware version
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8131
Release Team | 1 Nov 13:15
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Reviews report

= New requests =

Control Panel needs to list wireless firmware version
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8131
Mikus Grinbergs | 1 Nov 14:52
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logs being kept longer

I'm used to seeing five generations of old logs in 
.sugar/default/logs.  Now with 2523 I'm seeing eight.

mikus
Caroline Meeks | 1 Nov 15:58

Schools.Sugarlabs.org

There is now a Moodle server for the Sugar community's use at schools.sugarlabs.org.

If you would like to set up a course please let me or David Farning know. 

So far our plans are to use it support collaboration by nontechnical groups that maybe more used to a web based forum then a mailing list.  However, its available for repositories and other uses as well. 

It is being hosted by Solution Grove.  We also support LAMS so we'll hook that into Moodle next week so folks can play with it if they like.  We are open to trying out new things, installing Moodle Modules etc. so let us know what you need.

Thanks,
Caroline

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David Farning | 1 Nov 16:46
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Re: Schools.Sugarlabs.org

Very nice, and a little bit scary.

As Caroline said, we are breaking out of our comfort zone and engaging teacher.  Yikes!

From the teachers that I have talked to and Caroline's recommendation, we are establishing a separate community for teacher and students.  Apparently, wikis, mailing lists and IRC channels, which are primarily populated by developers, are not user friendly:(

The overall goal is to provide a means for small deployment to work together to create the synergy of a large scale saturation deployment.  I am envisioning starting with three themes or courses:

Using Sugar - A gentle introduction by teacher and for teachers into Sugar.

Teaching with Sugar - A place were teachers learn to teach use the Sugar interface, activities, and pedagogy.

Lesson plans - A place to teachers to develop and share lesson plans.

But, Please Note, the only time I have interacted with live students was as a TA in an engineering finance.  So I may be totally wrong:/)

thanks

david

 

 


On 11/01/2008, 09:58, Caroline Meeks (caroline <at> solutiongrove.com) wrote:
There is now a Moodle server for the Sugar community's use at schools.sugarlabs.org.

If you would like to set up a course please let me or David Farning know. 

So far our plans are to use it support collaboration by nontechnical groups that maybe more used to a web based forum then a mailing list.  However, its available for repositories and other uses as well. 

It is being hosted by Solution Grove.  We also support LAMS so we'll hook that into Moodle next week so folks can play with it if they like.  We are open to trying out new things, installing Moodle Modules etc. so let us know what you need.

Thanks,
Caroline

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Caroline Meeks | 1 Nov 16:50

Re: [sugar] Sugar on Ubuntu LiveUSB is ready

Ok! I got this to work. thank you Ubuntu developers but talk about screwing in your own seat! 

Is there an easier way to help people create USBs? On SLAX we created a zip file then there was a boot file (2 versions actually one for linux and one for windows) that is run to make the stick bootable:  http://schoolkey.net/wiki/creating-keys

Is there a way I can I copy my USB and make the new one bootable so I don't have to go through the whole process again? 

The USB boots up to Sugar, which is what I want. Is there a way for me to also access the underlying Ubuntu?



Here is my feedback on making the existing directions more friendly.

  1. Download the stock ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso and burn it
Yup, I can do this.
  1. Boot from this CD and from there, use LiveUSB to copy the system to USB stick (use a stick with 1-2 GB capacity as problems have been reported with larger ones)
Ok so when you follow this link you eventually end up at this page.  http://ppa.launchpad.net/probono/ubuntu/pool/main/l/liveusb/

Please provide instructions on exactly what to download. I picked liveusb_0.1.1_all.deb
Then also provide instructions on exactly what the user should do to install it.  I fumbled around and eventually it opened, but I couldn't actually tell someone else how to do it.
Then provide instruction on exactly which options to set.  I picked both persistence and flash and the flash ended up giving me an error.
  1. If you use the persistence option, you need to replace casper/initrd.gz on the stick with the bugfixed initrd.gz provided here.
The Casper direction is write protected. Please provide instructions on how to deal with that.
What is this? Why am I doing it?
  1. Add the file sugar.squashfs to the directory casper/ on the USB stick
Again the write protection on Casper made this more of a challenge then might be expected.






On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:19 AM, David Farning <dfarning-agl9EP5VjmEgsBAKwltoeQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
It looks like our friends at Ubuntu have been hard at work building a Subuntu live usb.  Simon Peter, also know as probono, has posted information on downloading and building the usb at

http://dev.laptop.org/~probono/sbuntu/

Thanks to the Ubuntu SugarTeam for packaging Sugar on Ubuntu and to Probono for building the sugar.squashfs.

David


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