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Justin Gallardo | 1 Dec 09:34

AbiWord Sugar activity

Hey everyone,
   I spent the afternoon/evening working on a new icon theme for the
AbiWord sugar activity, and wanted to get some input on it so far. You
can go ahead and view the screenshot of sugar here:

http://judas.osuosl.org/~jirwin/abiwordNewIcons2.png

Please let me know what you think, as I am more than happy to here any
suggestions/comments. Thanks

Justin Gallardo
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MBurns | 1 Dec 13:46
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Re: AbiWord Sugar activity

On 12/1/06, Justin Gallardo <gallardj <at> onid.orst.edu> wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>    I spent the afternoon/evening working on a new icon theme for the
> AbiWord sugar activity, and wanted to get some input on it so far. You
> can go ahead and view the screenshot of sugar here:
>
> http://judas.osuosl.org/~jirwin/abiwordNewIcons2.png
>
> Please let me know what you think, as I am more than happy to here any
> suggestions/comments. Thanks

Let me be the first to say that I think it looks great! There are some
usability questions that still need to get ironed out as we mentioned
on IRC, but the icon set's simplicity here is really top notch. Keep
up the good work over there at the OSL! ;)

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Celeste Lyn Paul | 1 Dec 14:59
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Re: AbiWord Sugar activity

On Friday 01 December 2006 03:34, Justin Gallardo wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>    I spent the afternoon/evening working on a new icon theme for the
> AbiWord sugar activity, and wanted to get some input on it so far. You
> can go ahead and view the screenshot of sugar here:
>
> http://judas.osuosl.org/~jirwin/abiwordNewIcons2.png

General question: are tool tips supported in the interface?

I'm not sure what the first two icons are (Open and Save?), but I am guessing 
from the postition they are Undo and Redo.  I would be afraid that the first 
four icons would either not be recognized, or confused because all four use 
arrows.  

Undo and Redo are probably fine (small learning curve, however you might still 
want to investigate that concept -- the affordances have worked for many 
interfaces), but the combination of all four might be problematic.

The other icons for font style and text position are perfectly fine.

My $0.02

~ Celeste

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Celeste Lyn Paul | 1 Dec 15:09
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Re: AbiWord Sugar activity


After reading some of the IRC backlog, I noticed some very good questions come 
up about states.

When one of the toggle buttons is selected (font style or text position), what 
does it look like?  Is it depressed?

When the save option is not available does it become disabled and the icon has 
a different look?  This is important feedback from the system to tell the 
user "yes, we have the latest version of your file, don't worry about closing 
the application".  Otherwise you have users making changes, saving, having 
their attention diverted, coming back to the application and wondering "did I 
save this?  i thought i did.  what are the new changes?  did I hit some keys 
by acciden?".  

I also noticed the issue of Save As come up, I wonder what other discussions 
have been made about this or similar options?  The solution I read about was 
to modify the save option on key press?

On Friday 01 December 2006 03:34, Justin Gallardo wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>    I spent the afternoon/evening working on a new icon theme for the
> AbiWord sugar activity, and wanted to get some input on it so far. You
> can go ahead and view the screenshot of sugar here:
>
> http://judas.osuosl.org/~jirwin/abiwordNewIcons2.png
>
> Please let me know what you think, as I am more than happy to here any
> suggestions/comments. Thanks
>
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msevior | 1 Dec 15:30
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Re: AbiWord Sugar activity

>
> After reading some of the IRC backlog, I noticed some very good questions
> come
> up about states.
>
> When one of the toggle buttons is selected (font style or text position),
> what
> does it look like?  Is it depressed?
>

In AbiWord proper, it looks depressed. The save/undo/redo buttons are
greyed out if the document is not in the correct state.

In the new python based activity this does not happen yet. We're working
on a way to implement it now. It's not trivial but it should be solved by
the end of next week. We plan to build a bridge between AbiWord cross
platform signaling code and the gtk event system. As notifications are
sent to the buttons via the normal AbiWord view listeners we'll just
connect another listener that translates the notification to gtk events.

The python toolbar will then respond to the events and grey out or depress
buttons as appropriate.

I don't know if the sugar guys want to implement a "save as" button. Every
extra button makes the application more complex.

Cheers

Martin
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Tomeu Vizoso | 1 Dec 15:48

Re: AbiWord Sugar activity

On Sat, 2006-12-02 at 01:30 +1100, msevior <at> physics.unimelb.edu.au wrote:
> I don't know if the sugar guys want to implement a "save as" button. Every
> extra button makes the application more complex.

I thought this save and open things would depend on the journal.

Eben, Marco, Ivan: do we have some more information about what the
journal will be or should abi stop worrying about this by now?

Thanks,

Tomeu
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Ivan Krstić | 1 Dec 17:31
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Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> Eben, Marco, Ivan: do we have some more information about what the
> journal will be or should abi stop worrying about this by now?

You don't have to worry about it, especially as focus is shifting to the
browser-embedded Abi widget. Next week, there's a UI/interaction design
review of the journal in NYC, and Walter and I will be having a design
review of the systems side. I'll take notes and make those available as
what I hope will become a complete spec.

We really ought to do a conference call soon to discuss some of the
details of the Abi widget and particularly the user experience. I'd like
you (Tomeu), Martin, Marc, Robert and Justin on the call. Can you folks
privately get back to me with a good time to have a call either this
Sunday or early next week, keeping in mind that Martin is on Australian
time?

Cheers,

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Ivan Krstić | 1 Dec 17:33
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Re: AbiWord Sugar activity

Celeste Lyn Paul wrote:
> I'm not sure what the first two icons are (Open and Save?), but I am
> guessing from the postition they are Undo and Redo.  I would be
> afraid that the first four icons would either not be recognized, or
> confused because all four use arrows.

The user experience will be entirely different in the finished product.
We're moving away from an explicit toolbar to a context-sensitive one;
extremely condensed notes on this from the design review are available here:

    http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Discussion_of_eBook_feature_set/Actual

Look at the 'Editing' section.

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Ivan Krstić | 1 Dec 17:36
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Re: Intro

Dear Celeste,

welcome aboard! For those of you following from home, Celeste was one of
the very first non-OLPCers to see the early mockups of the Sugar
interface, and I'm thrilled to have her working with us.

As Ian mentions, a lot of work has been going into the HIG document:

    http://wiki.laptop.org/go/HIG

The owner of that document is our in-house UI designer Eben Eliason,
CC'd. He also follows this list.

Cheers,

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Andrew Clunis | 4 Dec 00:25
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sugar-jhbuild mozilla breakage.


Hi folks,

I haven't been able to run sugar-jhbuild on my 6.10 x86 edgy laptop for
the better part of a week now.  I've tried all the obvious stuff like
completely erasing the sugar-jhbuild tree and rerunning it.

make[2]: Entering directory
`/home/orospakr/olpc/sugar-jhbuild/source/mozilla/widget/src/xremoteclient'
c++ -o mozilla-xremote-client  -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -Wall
-Wconversion -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -Woverloaded-virtual -Wsynth
-Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -pedantic
-fshort-wchar -pthread -pipe  -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -O
mozilla-xremote-client.o XRemoteClient_standalone.o
-L../../../dist/bin -L../../../dist/lib -L../../../dist/lib -lplds4
-lplc4 -lnspr4 -lpthread -ldl  -lX11  -ldl -lm      
../../../dist/bin/libnspr4.so: undefined reference to `_PR_CleanupMW'
../../../dist/bin/libnspr4.so: undefined reference to `_PR_InitMW'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [mozilla-xremote-client] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/home/orospakr/olpc/sugar-jhbuild/source/mozilla/widget/src/xremoteclient'
make[1]: *** [tier_50] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/orospakr/olpc/sugar-jhbuild/source/mozilla'
make: *** [default] Error 2
*** error during stage build of mozilla: Error running make   ***
[22/33]

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