Mikus Grinbergs | 2 Jan 2010 09:34
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Re: 8.2.2 Beta-1test request

The 802B1 build does not include package libv4l.  I had to manually
install that package in order to be able to watch movies.

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David Van Assche | 2 Jan 2010 18:57
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Re: Android, OLPC, and native hosting

Speaking of android, has anyone heard anything about google's other OS, chrome OS?

kind regards,
David

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj <at> gmail.com> wrote:
NoiseEHC, I think your arguments would be more convincing if you
didn't respond to every email, especially when you'd made that point
before in the same thread :-)


On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:40 AM, NoiseEHC <NoiseEHC <at> freemail.hu> wrote:

>> The software is designed for learning. *That* is what Sugar was created for, which is not at all what Android was created for, as you claimed when starting this discussion.
>>
>
> Another Straw Man argument. What I said was "Android OS solves exactly
> the same *problems* Sugar has been created to solve". You know while you
> have noticed correctly that Android was created to be a phone OS and
> Sugar was created to be a learning OS (not too that hard to notice
> though), they had almost the same *problems* to solve. Because they had
> different goals they did not solve exactly the same problem set (it was
> an exaggeration in my sentence) but close (self hosting dev tools and
> local communication are the main differences).

That said, I find Noise's line of reasoning here compelling.   What
are specific features of the current Sugar experience that people
think would be hard to port to Android [porting Etoys might in fact be
hard]?

SJ
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Mikus Grinbergs | 2 Jan 2010 20:09
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Re: Android, OLPC, and native hosting

> Speaking of android, has anyone heard anything about google's other OS, chrome OS?

Installed Chrome OS on my XO-1.5 when I was using os64 - the install
pulled in a whole barnful of dependencies.  Did not find Chrome
impressive - but it probably is the most capable HTML5 implementation
currently available.  What I noticed most was that the Menu Bar was
rudimentary, with the entire screen sometimes being used instead of
palettes.  This was a beta - performance quite humdrum.  On the XO,
Opera is noticeably faster.

mikus
Peter Robinson | 2 Jan 2010 23:37
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Re: sugar equivalent of uname?

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 9:09 PM, George Hunt <georgejhunt <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> I've spent all morning googling to find the documentation of how to
> determine which sugar build I'm running under -- without success.
>
> If someone could point me in the right direction, I'd really appreciate it.

You can go into the control panel and its lists it there or you can do
'rpm -q sugar'

Peter
George Hunt | 3 Jan 2010 00:04
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Re: sugar equivalent of uname?

Thanks,

the rpm solution works on at least builds 767, 802, and 1.5 FC11 backported to XO1.0.

I'l go with that .

George

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson <at> gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 9:09 PM, George Hunt <georgejhunt <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> I've spent all morning googling to find the documentation of how to
> determine which sugar build I'm running under -- without success.
>
> If someone could point me in the right direction, I'd really appreciate it.

You can go into the control panel and its lists it there or you can do
'rpm -q sugar'

Peter

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Tabitha Roder | 3 Jan 2010 00:48
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Battery LED flashing

We plugged in an XO-1.0 with an unknown state LiFePO4 battery (may have been fully discharged a week before, or may have been shut down properly) and the battery LED flashed instead of coming on solid like charging normally does. The battery information in /sys indicated low battery voltage (5.something) but otherwise good health and charging state. We tried the battery in a different XO-1.0 and the same behaviour resulted. We left it plugged in overnight and it appears to have charged normally and the battery now runs the laptop (when it was doing the flashing charge, the laptop would switch off immediately when you unplug the charger).

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Power_management#Battery_LED indicates flashing on charge means trickle charging. Sadly we didn't find this page when it was happening so cannot fully confirm it was flashing orange and with the 4 blinks, pause pattern. This page also doesn't give any clues as to why a battery might be trickle charging.

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Hardware_specification#Battery suggests that the battery has a Maxim DS2756 chip in it, but this chip only monitors one cell, so I guess there are two such chips? The /sys interface only gives information about the whole battery, it doesn't tell you about the state of each cell. The specification pdf on the Hardware_specification page describes the Embedded Controller interface to the operating system in terms of "Battery", not "Cell" so I guess it doesn't expose each cell either?

Is it possible to see each cell's voltage separately from within the operating system or the open firmware? I guess if there is no other way, it wouldn't be terribly hard to program a microcontroller to talk to the cell monitors over the 1 wire bus.


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Tabitha Roder

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James Smith | 3 Jan 2010 02:40
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Some testing notes for OS10 for the XO-1

All seems to work pretty well. except powermanagement. I'm running os10 updated today with kernel,
modules, firmware from 12/28 . the default setup with powerd gives the previously described problem,
losing keyboard and mouse upon wakeup. ohmd gives similar results. pm-suspend ends immediately prior to
actually suspending to ram after blanking screen and disconnecting wireless. The keyboard but not the
mouse is almost always lost when using pm-suspend. Suspend with hal directly from the command line gives
the same results:
dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.Hal \
 /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer \
 org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.SystemPowerManagement.Suspend \
 int32:0
Why does this command not work? More importantly, why does powerd work (except for the wakeup problems)?
I'm guessing it doesn't use hal or dbus at all. I'd like to help work on this problem but I don't know much
about power-management and I don't really know how to test it further. Is there a place where os10
development issues are tracked or is it just this mailing list?

james
George Hunt | 2 Jan 2010 22:09
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sugar equivalent of uname?

I've spent all morning googling to find the documentation of how to determine which sugar build I'm running under -- without success.

If someone could point me in the right direction, I'd really appreciate it.

George

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George Hunt | 3 Jan 2010 05:12
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Help Activity and FC11

Hi Seth, gang,

I just cloned the git version of help at sugarlabs.org (activity.info version 9). 

A couple of months ago I downloaded the then current version of help, because I wanted to include a browser based help system in a debugger I am writing.  I discovered, much to my annoyance, that the webview widget, when asked to hide itself, actually gets the pointer to the mainwindow, and hides it.  That didn't work for my needs.  But I discovered that the helpfr (the french version of help) worked on fc11 and also corrected the widget hide problem.

Just for grins, I put the helpfr (Aide) up on build 767 (I think that's sugar 8.2.1), and it worked.  So it would appear to be a simple substitution to swap the helpfr browser iengine nto the current v9.

I was wondering if someone had already worked up such a branch on  git so that  help will be ready for FC11 and XO1.5.   If not, I would be willing to work on one.   

George

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Tomeu Vizoso | 3 Jan 2010 10:23
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Re: sugar equivalent of uname?

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 00:04, George Hunt <georgejhunt <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks,
>
> the rpm solution works on at least builds 767, 802, and 1.5 FC11 backported
> to XO1.0.
>
> I'l go with that .

Good that's enough for you. For the sake of people who read the
archives, the portable way is to use jarabe.config.version for >=0.84
and assume 0.82 if that's not present.

But in most situations is better to check for capabilities instead of versions.

Regards,

Tomeu

> George
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 9:09 PM, George Hunt <georgejhunt <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I've spent all morning googling to find the documentation of how to
>> > determine which sugar build I'm running under -- without success.
>> >
>> > If someone could point me in the right direction, I'd really appreciate
>> > it.
>>
>> You can go into the control panel and its lists it there or you can do
>> 'rpm -q sugar'
>>
>> Peter
>
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