Yioryos Asprobounitis | 15 Feb 14:21 2015
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trying 41001qq

It is nice to see a new build for all the XOs after some time now.
Tried 41001qq at the ends of the spectrum my G1G1 XO-1 and a touch XO-4
Both worked and I even got them to collaborate on measure activity
On the XO-4 things are really nice and with the SMP kernel things are moving reasonably fast.
Sugar runs just fine and activities do not misbehave. 
Mate desktop is responsive albeit touch unfriendly. Not sure if anything could be done about it as I do not
think they have a touch-friendly theme or layout.
The default 10 point font is too big and 7 or 8 would be better.
Also the switch user option does nothing and should be probably hidden, as well as Xterm that is useless on
Mate. But these are minor tittle things to wary about.

On the XO-1, I would say simple do not build for this hardware.
It took me 3 tries and a long unexpected phonecall to actually boot in the XO-1, as in the first 2 tries after a
minute or 2 with a black (power management kicks in) or white screen, I was rebooting and checking that
everything was OK. 
It is just takes a very looooong time to get going. This is also true when starting activities as with most the
"fail to start" timeout kicks in before the activity has the chance to start. If you ignore it, the activity
eventually starts.
Adding a bit of swap did not improve things.
Looking at CPU usage it would appear that systemd-journal consumes anything from 35 to 55% of the CPU with
just 'top' running and the XO-1 is constantly on 3.0+ load average.
I do not know if systemd-journal can be turned off but would be desirable for XO-1 builds.
The other heavy CPU user (that I do not remember being the case in older builds) is Network
Manager/wpa_suplicant with ~20% each. 
Anyway, the build "works" on the XO-1 but with *a lot* of patience. 
So unless the new builds have this "killer/must have" feature, I wouldn't bother with XO-1 Fedora/Sugar builds.
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Yioryos Asprobounitis | 14 Feb 14:55 2015
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Firmware q7c04

Nice to see the list back up and running.
According to the info XO4 firmware q7c04 "support(s) booting legacy android kernel"
However both os32013a4 and 3214a4 fail to boot under q7c04.
Do they qualify as "legacy android kernel"?

BTW is there any official or community SMP android/sugar builds in the works?
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Jhon Diaz | 12 Feb 21:02 2015
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OLPC Ubuntu 14.04

Hi guys i got ubuntu 14.04 working sysvinit is not there so i compiled it and it works where should i update it if so who wants to test it - Thanks
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Samuel Greenfeld | 9 Feb 14:11 2015

Community OS 14.1.0 Version 1

I spent a few hours this past weekend looking into if third-party XO OS builds were still possible.

The result is a set of unsigned XO laptop images for XO-1/1.5/1.75/4 I have uploaded to http://www.greenfeld.org/xo/community/builds/14/1/

This is the first time images may have been made for certain models this release cycle.   So this release has bugs, and is meant only for testing.  The XO-1 image in particular should be avoided unless you are trying to solve its performance problems.

These images were created independently of OLPC and are not supported by OLPC.

Bug reports about these images can be filed in dev.laptop.org with the "commbuild" keyword.  However other members of the community are needed to help fix problems as my skills are limited.


If you would prefer to use the latest OLPC-provided open-source build, it can be found at http://build.laptop.org/14.1.0/os8/


Known improvements (from usage/researching changelogs):
  • All: The GNOME desktop has been replaced by MATE.
  • All: Wikipedia EN and ES have been replaced by the Simple English Wikipedia activity.
  • All: The latest Open Firmware for each platform.
  • All: Based on Fedora 20 & Sugar 0.103.2 with most Fedora updates as of early February 2015.
  • All (userland)/XO-4(OFW): Brightness adjustments for an upcoming manufacturing backlight LED change.  Laptops with new backlights will be identified by a "BL" manufacturing tag.   Routines to handle earlier backlights exist.  Note there may be some more backlight tweaks in the next version of powerd.
  • XO-4: Support for newer and larger eMMC internal storage options.
  • XO-4: LiPoly battery support (instead of NiMH).
  • XO-4: Dual core CPU Support.

Known issues:

  • All: This is not a "restricted" build, and does not have any licensed codec/binaries/video drivers some deployments may want.
  • All: Sugar asks for a user's grade and gender.  If this is sent over the Internet, this may not be legal in many countries without the appropriate parent/school permissions.

    These images therefore probably should not be given to children until we have a better understanding of what is going on.
  • All: The Sugar Language control panel appears to be broken.
  • All: MATE has the same large text/dpi display problems GNOME had if not worse.
  • All: Originally a private RPM repository was created for several x86 RPMs where only ARM ones existed.  The relevant x86 ones have since been built and the last RPM I'm told isn't needed, so a private repository should not be required going forward.

  • XO-1: NetworkManager and systemd-journald use up most of the CPU logging repeated failed actions against the mesh(?) network adapter, leaving too little CPU for Sugar to work with.

    Some other services may also be using CPU, but these seem to be the most persistent (OLPC #12860).
  • XO-1: MATE, Simple English Wikipedia, and Physics were removed to conserve space while debugging the above.  There may only be room for either MATE or Simple Wikipedia with a more complete build, as this only leaves ~100 MB free.
  • XO-1: There is no "G1G1Lite"-style activity set at this time.

  • XO-1.5: Camera and/or video overlay support appears to be broken (OLPC #12858).
  • XO-1.5: Automatic suspend is disabled in this build due to the DCON freezing the text console instead of the graphical UI (OLPC #12859).
  • XO-1.5: This build may be too large for 2 GB SD cards (not tested, but observed).

  • XO-1.75: If you have one of the rare XO-1.75s with a touchscreen, the latest versions of OFW do not have "test /touchscreen" support (and may not have for some time).

  • XO-4: Programs may randomly crash due to OLPC #12837.  So building 14.1.0 on an XO-4 using 14.1.0 currently is not supported.
  • XO-4: Due to Open Firmware and EC updates to support LiPoly batteries, XO-4s with newer firmware no longer are compatible with NiMH batteries (rare and should only affect users with pre-release SKUs).
  • XO-4: If you wish to downgrade from this OS to 13.2.2 or prior, you need to reinstall an Open Firmware version in the Q7B* series, such as Q7B44 or earlier (Q7B40 or earlier with NiMH).
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James Cameron | 2 Feb 09:10 2015

Restricted packages repository (aka vMeta) for 14.1.0

Anyone using the OLPC vMeta repository [1] with olpc-os-builder,
please contact me off-list for the corresponding URL for 14.1.0.

1.  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Vmeta

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Tim Moody | 31 Jan 20:36 2015

os 14.1.0

I notice that http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/14.1.0 shows the 
latest builds as private.  Do you anticipate a public release?

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Lucia Lovison | 27 Jan 19:41 2015

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Hi:

I subscribe to Mike's question.
"Don't hate me people, but I am also interested in finding a copy of Windows
> XP for XO-1 to try and learn about how it works and loads on the XO.
> Thanks," 

Furthermore, (sorry for the pro's here):  I understand that Sugar GUI sits on top of Linux OS, but if somebody wants to develop something in a Windows 8.1 environment (I'm not a converted to Microsoft  or any other OS), does he/she have to go back to the command line?

 Many thanks.


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i am working on trusty right now what init system should i use - linuxskid

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> I am definitely interested, I have been having challenges finding places to
> get some of the OSes used for the XO-1 in the past. Also challenges
> updating the older software. Is there a good place to store all the OSes
> for the XOs.
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> Don't hate me people, but I am also interested in finding a copy of Windows
> XP for XO-1 to try and learn about how it works and loads on the XO.
> Thanks,
> Mike-d. out
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> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 04:05:08PM -0400, Jhon Diaz wrote:
> > > How does ubuntu for xo-1 xo-1.75 xo-4 sound to you
> > > Many people might be interested in ubuntu
> > > Ubuntu 12.04 12.10 13.04
> >
> > Great.
> >
> > Your challenge will be to find what did not reach upstream from
> > Fedora or OLPC, right across the OS.
> >
> > See http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/quozl/uxo/.git/ for the tool that
> > I use to build Ubuntu on XO laptops.  For 14.04 LTS it only builds a
> > minimal server system, but that's all I needed.  For 12.04 LTS it
> > built a desktop system.
> >
> > You didn't mention XO-1.5.  Why not XO-1.5?
> >
> > You didn't mention more recent versions of Ubuntu.  Why not 14.04 LTS?
> >
> > I doubt if anybody would be interested in Ubuntu on an XO, but if you
> > build it and they come, great.  I built it years ago, they didn't
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also didnt mention xo-1.5 because it uses arm i dont have a arm pc to test
it on its not that safe

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>> I am definitely interested, I have been having challenges finding places
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>> updating the older software. Is there a good place to store all the OSes
>> for the XOs.
>>
>> Don't hate me people, but I am also interested in finding a copy of
>> Windows
>> XP for XO-1 to try and learn about how it works and loads on the XO.
>> Thanks,
>> Mike-d. out
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:23 PM, James Cameron <quozl <at> laptop.org> wrote:
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>> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 04:05:08PM -0400, Jhon Diaz wrote:
>> > > How does ubuntu for xo-1 xo-1.75 xo-4 sound to you
>> > > Many people might be interested in ubuntu
>> > > Ubuntu 12.04 12.10 13.04
>> >
>> > Great.
>> >
>> > Your challenge will be to find what did not reach upstream from
>> > Fedora or OLPC, right across the OS.
>> >
>> > See http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/quozl/uxo/.git/ for the tool that
>> > I use to build Ubuntu on XO laptops.  For 14.04 LTS it only builds a
>> > minimal server system, but that's all I needed.  For 12.04 LTS it
>> > built a desktop system.
>> >
>> > You didn't mention XO-1.5.  Why not XO-1.5?
>> >
>> > You didn't mention more recent versions of Ubuntu.  Why not 14.04 LTS?
>> >
>> > I doubt if anybody would be interested in Ubuntu on an XO, but if you
>> > build it and they come, great.  I built it years ago, they didn't
>> > come.  Perhaps you can do better?
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Tim Moody | 27 Jan 18:56 2015

selinux

I need to determine the state of selinux on an xo4 running 32014o4.zd.  I 
notice that /etc/selinux/config does not exist.  Can someone tell me what is 
the best way to determine whether selinux is disabled and if not if it is 
permissive? 

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i am working on trusty right now what init system should i use - linuxskid

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Howdy Mike-d. here,

I am definitely interested, I have been having challenges finding places to
get some of the OSes used for the XO-1 in the past. Also challenges
updating the older software. Is there a good place to store all the OSes
for the XOs.

Don't hate me people, but I am also interested in finding a copy of Windows
XP for XO-1 to try and learn about how it works and loads on the XO.
Thanks,
Mike-d. out

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> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 04:05:08PM -0400, Jhon Diaz wrote:
> > How does ubuntu for xo-1 xo-1.75 xo-4 sound to you
> > Many people might be interested in ubuntu
> > Ubuntu 12.04 12.10 13.04
>
> Great.
>
> Your challenge will be to find what did not reach upstream from
> Fedora or OLPC, right across the OS.
>
> See http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/quozl/uxo/.git/ for the tool that
> I use to build Ubuntu on XO laptops.  For 14.04 LTS it only builds a
> minimal server system, but that's all I needed.  For 12.04 LTS it
> built a desktop system.
>
> You didn't mention XO-1.5.  Why not XO-1.5?
>
> You didn't mention more recent versions of Ubuntu.  Why not 14.04 LTS?
>
> I doubt if anybody would be interested in Ubuntu on an XO, but if you
> build it and they come, great.  I built it years ago, they didn't
> come.  Perhaps you can do better?
>
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Multiarch in Linux? was Re (2): libc.so.6

From:	James Cameron <quozl <at> laptop.org>
Date:	Mon, 10 Nov 2014 13:20:20 +1100
> ... libc.so.6 is a symbolic link, not a file.

Thanks.

> But on 13.2.1 it might instead look in:
> 
>     /usr/lib/

OK!  An expedient solution is now the last or near last
submission here. 
http://www.ocp.inf.ethz.ch/forum/index.php/topic,918.0.html
Essentially, "sudo ln -s /lib /lib/i386-linux-gnu".

The body of /usr/aos/source/Linux.I386.Unix.Mod has 
	libraryPaths[0] := "/lib/i386-linux-gnu";
	libraryPaths[1] := "/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu";
These paths are mentioned here, 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec#Filesystem_layout

but not in any of these.
http://www.linuxbase.org/betaspecs/fhs/fhs.html
https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-2.3.html
http://www.gnu.org/software/gnustep/resources/documentation/User/GNUstep/filesystem.html

*/lib/i386* appears to be an emerging multiarch thing.

> Meanwhile, get it packaged for Fedora to alleviate future pain?

Adoption of multiarch in Fedora seems possible.  If that 
happens, the i386-linux-gnu paths are likely to appear in the stock 
file system.  In the interim, the installation procedure for UnixAos is 
straightforward,
 http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~fld/UnixAos/Readme.txt
and "sudo ln -s /lib /lib/i386-linux-gnu" is just one extra step.  

Also UnixAos is a moving target.  A package for Fedora or Debian would 
need an update several times in a year.  Unless there is a very strong justification, 
I'm reluctant to extend my "unfinished projects" list.

Regards,                        ... Peter E.

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libc.so.6

Hi, 

13.2.1 on a 1.5 here.  According to this, libc.so.6 is available.

bash-4.2# yum whatprovides libc.so.6
glibc-2.16-24.fc18.i686 : The GNU libc libraries
Repo        : fedora
Matched from:
Provides    : libc.so.6

glibc-2.16-34.fc18.i686 : The GNU libc libraries
Repo        : updates
Matched from:
Provides    : libc.so.6

glibc-2.16-34.fc18.i686 : The GNU libc libraries
Repo        :  <at> updates
Matched from:
Provides    : libc.so.6

bash-4.2# yum install glibc-2.16-34.fc18.i686
Package glibc-2.16-34.fc18.i686 already installed and latest version
Nothing to do

Nevertheless, no libc.so is found by find.

bash-4.2# cd /
bash-4.2# find . -type f -name 'libc.so*' -print 
find: `./run/user/1000/gvfs': Permission denied
find: File system loop detected; `./versions/run/14' is part of the same file system loop as `.'.

Nor by a locally installed program.

[olpc <at> xo-53-1d-bb ~]$ aos
Unix.Dlopen: loading library libc.so.6 failed

What is happening?  Thanks,                   ... Peter E.

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