Re: OT: top quotes, html mail, and binary jokes

Antoine schreef:
>> 
>> Indeed, life is harder for those of us who don't have English as 
>> first language.
>> 
>>> kashani, still trying to get his German, Spanish, and Farsi up to
>>>  speed
> 
> Can you imagine how hard it is to learn another language when 
> everyone wants to speak English to you?

We used to complain about this *all the time* at Taalschool (the
year-long Dutch as A Second Language course that is required by the
government as part of the conditions for granting a Permit of Stay).

Many of us lived with Dutch people (certainly those of us who were in
the country because we were married to one), and of course that means
family and neighbors and other contacts who were native Dutch
speakers... but we found it universally difficult to get said native
speakers to help us by speaking Dutch (preferably slowly), or (heaven
forfend) helping us with our homework and the like, because they all
wanted to improve or show off their English/Russian/French. Of
course it's tiring for everyone, trying to have a conversation and
having the subject under discussion interrupted by constant grammatical
correction, and it's not really helpful to hold said conversations in
the "other" language for purposes of clarity, but often necessary when
new to the second language. But it was clear to us that the amount of
practice time we were getting from our 'aces in the
hole' was far less than could be explained by those excuses.

Re: Re: Hylafax & e-mail

Re: Optimal time to 'emerge world'?

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:07:30 -0800 gentuxx <gentuxx <at> gmail.com> wrote:
| Just wondering if there was an "optimal" time to update one's system.
| Meaning, is there a global/bulk "cvs commit" done once a day, that we
| should wait for? Especially concerned about security patches - can we
| *safely* assume that if the GLSA is out, that the updated versions are
| available?

Under normal circumstances, CVS to rsync runs every half hour, with up
to an hour and a half(?)'s lag depending upon which rsync mirror you
use. As for commits, most of us are European or American, so there're a
few hours in the day (~UTC0500) when things are really quiet, but apart
from that there's no real timing.

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Re: LTSP vs. Diskless Nodes

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:55:24 +0200
Uwe Thiem <uwix <at> iway.na> wrote:

> > One of the big problems with Linux diskless is it really doesn't scale
> > well, it doesn't allow for clients to run multiple versions of the os, 
> 
> Why would you want to do that?
> 

Ah!  Not everyone would.  But there are some who run realtime flight simulators
where the main Gfx system use 3 to 7 Gfx pipes to provide a 180 degree to 270 degree
view, puling in 1 TB or so of texture data during the sim.  This Gfx system has the problem
of needing proprietary drivers for both the SAN and the Gfx cards, so it's selection of
OS may be limited to a certain range, while the PCs that drive the instruments don't need
access to the SAN, and the 32P realtime server that runs the ssimulation and controls the
simulator reacts to the pilots  inputs, weather setup, etc., also doesn't need data from the
san, but has needs as to what's the best kernel to run for realtime simulation vs. realtime
Gfx.  And all this is booted off a 2P diskless server where the limits of what's seen by pilots
and perhaps maintainence crew is determined by whether they are running commerical,
military, or private aircraft that day. 

The diskless server could be any 64-bit capable 2P unit, wile the Gfx system would be a 
multi-pipe ia64 system, the 32P realtime system could be an ia64 or an x86-64 system and
the PCs would be standard x86, probably running WinXX and Linux.

> A typical LTSP server doesn't export /usr at all. There is no need for it. The 
> client runs a kernel and an X server. If you want local devices to work, it 
> also needs to run some other small daemons. All *applications* run on the 
> server. 
> 

And this is a critical difference between LTSP - thin client serving, vs. a full diskless
client where the applications run on the client.  Sometimes one works fine (LTSP) for
the needs.  But other needs requires a different approach.

> My experiences with LTSP so far show: With a server like mentioned at the 
> begin and fast ethernet, up to 20 clients are working well if you don't allow 
> too graphics-intensive apps like movie players or that type of games. For 
> more clients (up to 40), you need more ram on the server and a Gb connection 
> between the server and the switch (clients can remain on 100Mb ethernet, of 
> course).
>

A typical setup I run for testing has a 2P 600 MHz MIPS system with 512MB ram
as the server, serving 6 1P and 2P Gfx system, with the Gfx systems running 6 different
OpenGL apps, along with floating point work, local disk DMA and Xwindow DMA on 
all the clients.  One customer of ours runs 11 CAD systems off a single 2P diskless server.

> For small businesses, I prefer a different solution that involved solid state 
> clients that boot from non-volatile ram. In that case, the client is 
> completely independent of the server. All they talk to each other is X.
>

Yep, a great solution! 

> Cheers from the beginning southern African summer

 it's getting cold up here.  Shorter days and silly time changes.

Cheers,

Bob
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Re: Re: Quoting styles

Holly,

Well, I do have that little box checked and it displays Subject, From,
Reply to, Date and To.  I just didn't look.  I'm really bad at names, I
may have mentioned this before.  I remember Holly because I know this
really nice girl named Holly that lives over hear that I meet.  She was
a really nice lady.  That is the only way I can remember names.  If I
meet someone that I can't associate with someone else, I'm in bad shape.

One reason I had that open is in case I get a email from someone with a
.ru on the end.  I was on a dating site and a lot of them tell you they
live somewhere around here then tell you later that they are in Russia
and need money or someone to get them here.  I just checked the email
line and could usually pick them out, that and the english was usually
pretty bad.  Yes I did meet my lady on the net.  She is really nice, a
lot better than I thought I would find.  She is just really tiny, little
under 100 lbs.  She eats good though and her daughter is slender too so
I guess it is genetic or something.

Me, I'm dalek on the Gentoo forums, we have spoke there before I think. 
I live in Mississippi USA, out in the country no less.  My ISP is in
Columbus Mississippi, or MS.  You can google Columbus MS.  I wish I
could visit the Netherlands and Germany to for that matter.  I see them
on TV but being there with a camera would be better.  I'm to scared to
fly so I guess that won't hapen.  I was scared of flying before 9/11
though, though that didn't help.

I'm learning though.  Keep 'em coming.  Just takes me a while.

:D  <----  lets see what that looks like,
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Re: ext3: 10% non-contiguous

Rafael Fernández López wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Well, I'd like to recover those holes (that 10% of the disk) and how to
>do it, because I've tried with e2fsck with different options and read
>"man e2fsck" with no possitive results.
>
>Thanks,
>Rafael Fernández López.
>
>  
>
There was a guru on the forums that explained to me that it does not
mean the files are fragmented or lost.  If you want, I'll try to find
the thread and post a link.  It made a lot of sense after I read it. 
Basically, you haven't lost anything so there is nothing to gain. 

I can't remember for sure but I think it was on the LQ forums.  I think
I can find it but it may take a bit of looking.  It was a while ago.

Later

:D :D :D
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Re: Weird pauses making me nuts

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:31:33 +0100
Holly Bostick <motub <at> planet.nl> wrote:

> What else could I do alongside it, other than running an emerge or
> something?
>

You could switch to a non-proprietary gfx driver, and try that, though it
might not work with the ATI card you have.

Try emerging app-benchmarks/stress and running that.  That runs everything
but X.  And it tunable to see what's taking resources.

The other thing to try is stoppping everything, with X still running and starting
up one of the rss-glx screensavers.  It it runs with no issue, start a second instance
or a second one, then another - as many as the system will handle until it starts
showing the problem.

Have top running in a term to see if you can find out what taking all the resources.

Last time it happened to me, it was Xorg itself causing the issue.

Bob
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Re: Re: Quoting styles

Why go through all this trouble trying to learn how to set up Mozilla
mail?  What's the benefit?  I have been using YahooMail and GMail
quite happily, where you have an easy, no-frills, light-weight
interface, where you can customize exactly how you want to compose
your response and arrange quotes and to what extent you want to quote
someone.

I think this whole thread is common sense.  To me anyway.  You give a
short little quote to refresh people's memory of what you're replying
to and give it just enough context without it getting too long and
right under the quote you put your own response, so that there's a
conversation-like flow.

We should make an effort to keep personal stuff out of these lists. 
Everyone has enough problems of their own to start a drama.  We just
want to help each other out, further our knowledge, and contribute if
we can be useful.

Cheers
Denis

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Re: Weird pauses making me nuts

Holly Bostick wrote:

>Hey, all,
>
>Sorry that this will not be an extremely clear question, but I really
>have no idea where to start, or what the problem is.
>
>Basically, my system is running "fine" (no overt problems), but about
>every 30 seconds or so, it 'pauses' to do something, and I have to wait
>for 5-10 seconds while it does it before I can go further. Or the
>display pauses, and I have to wait for the redraw , I can't tell which.
>  
>

The only time I have similar state with my system is when VMware (which 
runs at niceness -10 (!!)) writes out a suspended session 
file...basically a high priority process writing a massive amount of 
data to a relatively slow device.

So a couple of things come to mind....

1. Check your dmesg and /var/log/messages files and make sure your disk 
controller isn't going through resets.  Disk controller resets will clog 
up the whole system, IME.

2. Similarly, run "smartctl -a" and check if you are getting fresh 
errors reported by the hard drive.

3. Try fiddling with process priorities.

>Memory and CPU use are not bizarre, I have a lot of processes going, but
>nothing weird or unexpected seems to be running if I can trust top and
>gnome-system-monitor. Since all the problems seem to be related to the X
>server, maybe it's an X problem; I'm currently using the VESA driver, as
>I wanted to get a clean install of the new ATI drivers when I compile
>  
>

Ugh, the VESA driver is horribly slow, IME.  You would be much better 
off using the radeon driver I think.

FYI, I just tried ati-drivers-8.18.8 with kernel 2.6.14, and it builds 
fine.  I haven't tried using it yet though.  You need to accept ~x86 to 
get 8.18.8.

-Richard

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Re: Re: Quoting styles

Denis wrote:

>Why go through all this trouble trying to learn how to set up Mozilla
>mail?  What's the benefit?  I have been using YahooMail and GMail
>quite happily, where you have an easy, no-frills, light-weight
>interface, where you can customize exactly how you want to compose
>your response and arrange quotes and to what extent you want to quote
>someone.
>
>Cheers
>Denis
>
>  
>
For me, gmail and yahoo mail is not a good choice, and I don't really
care for them either.  I'm on dial-up and only have one phone line. 
With Mozilla mail I can connect, download my email, disconnect, reply or
compose new emails when I get the time, then reconnect and send them,
then get more new ones too.  I don't think I can do that with Yahoo or
Gmail, that I know of anyway.

I do have a yahoo account that I use to make sure I'm not going to get
spam.  I may check it once a month, if I don't forget.  Which reminds
me, it's been a long time since I checked it.  Now may be a good time. 
Probably been a couple months, may have something.  :/

Dale

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