W.Kenworthy | 13 Sep 2005 00:59
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org-x11 GLSA 200509-07. Is bug #96053 fixed in -r3? (black icons)

Re the xorg-x11 GLSA 200509-07.  Is bug #96053 fixed in -r3?  The -r2
version is unusable for me because of this.

According to the bug its resolved, fixed upstream, but there is no
detail which versions of xorg it applies to.

BillK

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Barry.SCHWARTZ | 13 Sep 2005 01:40

Re: org-x11 GLSA 200509-07. Is bug #96053 fixed in -r3? (black icons)

"W.Kenworthy" <billk <at> iinet.net.au> skribis:
> Re the xorg-x11 GLSA 200509-07.  Is bug #96053 fixed in -r3?  The -r2
> version is unusable for me because of this.

Apparently not -- I tried OpenOffice and it still has black icons.

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Thierry Carrez | 13 Sep 2005 12:01
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Re: org-x11 GLSA 200509-07. Is bug #96053 fixed in -r3? (black icons)

W.Kenworthy wrote:

> Re the xorg-x11 GLSA 200509-07.  Is bug #96053 fixed in -r3?  The -r2
> version is unusable for me because of this.
> 
> According to the bug its resolved, fixed upstream, but there is no
> detail which versions of xorg it applies to.

The -r3 is just -r2 + the security fix. I guess you'll have to wait for
the next version...

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Seemant Kulleen | 13 Sep 2005 17:03
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Re: org-x11 GLSA 200509-07. Is bug #96053 fixed in -r3? (black icons)

On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 06:59:21AM +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote:
> Re the xorg-x11 GLSA 200509-07.  Is bug #96053 fixed in -r3?  The -r2
> version is unusable for me because of this.
> 
> According to the bug its resolved, fixed upstream, but there is no
> detail which versions of xorg it applies to.
> 
> BillK

Hi Bill,

-r3 is just a simple security bump from -r2, so it should have all the
characteristics of -r2 except for that buffer overflow issue with pixmap
memory requests.  So yeah, you'll still see black icons, but please do
track the upstream bug:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3781

Thanks,

Seemant
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William Kenworthy | 14 Sep 2005 01:28
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Re: org-x11 GLSA 200509-07. Is bug #96053 fixed in -r3? (black icons)

I'm using the workaround of manually deleting the problem patch during
the build.  

The problem for gentoo that I see is that with the removal of -r1 (and
xfree being the only viable alternative is not available either), gentoo
does not have a usable desktop for those actually using it in
production, so this should be viewed as a serious issue that requires
active resolution - just leaving this issue in place until we catch up
with upstream means this is going to become a running sore for gentoo.

We (the users) need a stable, secure, and working X.

BillK

On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 11:03 -0400, Seemant Kulleen wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 06:59:21AM +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote:
> > Re the xorg-x11 GLSA 200509-07.  Is bug #96053 fixed in -r3?  The -r2
> > version is unusable for me because of this.
> > 
> > According to the bug its resolved, fixed upstream, but there is no
> > detail which versions of xorg it applies to.
> > 
> > BillK
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> -r3 is just a simple security bump from -r2, so it should have all the
> characteristics of -r2 except for that buffer overflow issue with pixmap
> memory requests.  So yeah, you'll still see black icons, but please do
> track the upstream bug:
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xyon | 14 Sep 2005 02:30

Re: org-x11 GLSA 200509-07. Is bug #96053 fixed in -r3? (black icons)

Placing demands on the devs who donate their time for this community is
not exactly the way of going about it. Finding a way to help those devs
is a better path to a solution. ;)

On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 07:28 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> I'm using the workaround of manually deleting the problem patch during
> the build.  
> 
> The problem for gentoo that I see is that with the removal of -r1 (and
> xfree being the only viable alternative is not available either), gentoo
> does not have a usable desktop for those actually using it in
> production, so this should be viewed as a serious issue that requires
> active resolution - just leaving this issue in place until we catch up
> with upstream means this is going to become a running sore for gentoo.
> 
> We (the users) need a stable, secure, and working X.
> 
> BillK
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 11:03 -0400, Seemant Kulleen wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 06:59:21AM +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote:
> > > Re the xorg-x11 GLSA 200509-07.  Is bug #96053 fixed in -r3?  The -r2
> > > version is unusable for me because of this.
> > > 
> > > According to the bug its resolved, fixed upstream, but there is no
> > > detail which versions of xorg it applies to.
> > > 
> > > BillK
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Volker Armin Hemmann | 14 Sep 2005 03:22
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Re: org-x11 GLSA 200509-07. Is bug #96053 fixed in -r3? (black icons)

On Wednesday 14 September 2005 01:28, William Kenworthy wrote:
> I'm using the workaround of manually deleting the problem patch during
> the build.
>
> The problem for gentoo that I see is that with the removal of -r1 (and
> xfree being the only viable alternative is not available either), gentoo
> does not have a usable desktop for those actually using it in
> production, so this should be viewed as a serious issue that requires
> active resolution - just leaving this issue in place until we catch up
> with upstream means this is going to become a running sore for gentoo.
>
> We (the users) need a stable, secure, and working X.

where did you get the idea, that a moving target like gentoo is apropriate for 
a production box?

If you put gentoo onto such a box, it is your very own problem. If you want 
total stability and a lot of testing prior a patch goes out, maybe you should 
spent the bucks and buy SLES or RHEL
If something breaks with them, you have a right to whine.

Oh, and by the way: for me X is stable, secure and working - everybody has 
different needs.
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W.Kenworthy | 14 Sep 2005 03:46
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Re: org-x11 GLSA 200509-07. Is bug #96053 fixed in -r3? (black icons)

Your missreading what I am saying.

1. I am not placing "demands"
2. I have pointed out the solution
3. I have pointed out the problem for gentoo as a distro
4. Everybodies requirements are different: unless devs get feedback on
whats important to users, how would they know.  I acknowledge that whats
important to devs is not neccessarily going to gel for the users, but
the fact that gentoo now does not have a usable desktop for a large part
of its user community should be a concern for all.

BillK

On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 20:30 -0400, xyon wrote:
> Placing demands on the devs who donate their time for this community is
> not exactly the way of going about it. Finding a way to help those devs
> is a better path to a solution. ;)
> 
> On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 07:28 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> > I'm using the workaround of manually deleting the problem patch during
> > the build.  
> > 
> > The problem for gentoo that I see is that with the removal of -r1 (and
> > xfree being the only viable alternative is not available either), gentoo
> > does not have a usable desktop for those actually using it in
> > production, so this should be viewed as a serious issue that requires
> > active resolution - just leaving this issue in place until we catch up
> > with upstream means this is going to become a running sore for gentoo.
> > 
> > We (the users) need a stable, secure, and working X.
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warnera6 | 14 Sep 2005 04:27
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Re: org-x11 GLSA 200509-07. Is bug #96053 fixed in -r3? (black icons)

William Kenworthy wrote:
> I'm using the workaround of manually deleting the problem patch during
> the build.  
> 
> The problem for gentoo that I see is that with the removal of -r1 (and
> xfree being the only viable alternative is not available either), gentoo
> does not have a usable desktop for those actually using it in
> production, so this should be viewed as a serious issue that requires
> active resolution - just leaving this issue in place until we catch up
> with upstream means this is going to become a running sore for gentoo.
> 
> We (the users) need a stable, secure, and working X.
> 
> BillK
The whole point of Gentoo is that you have the Ultimate say on what 
goes.  If you don't like the current version of X you can write your own 
ebuild and do it however you like.  No one forces you to use the ebuilds 
put out by the developers.  If you want the -r1 version feel free to go 
into ViewCVS and get it; it should still be there.

If you want your solution to be merged, you are better off trying to 
convince xorg's maintainer and you are better off having the work laid 
out to be done so that it's not a PITA for them to integrate it into 
Gentoo's tree.  This mailing list is not the place for discussion of how 
the bug should be patched in the source, or whining because the ebuild 
the developer provided doesn't suit your particular needs.  Make an 
overlay, modify the ebuild, and hazzah your needs are met.  Gentoo has 
never promised a stable solution and unless the relevant GLEP is taken 
up by someone and implemented probably never will.
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Barry.SCHWARTZ | 14 Sep 2005 04:56

Re: org-x11 GLSA 200509-07. Is bug #96053 fixed in -r3? (black icons)

"W.Kenworthy" <billk <at> iinet.net.au> skribis:
> 4. Everybodies requirements are different: unless devs get feedback on
> whats important to users, how would they know.  I acknowledge that whats
> important to devs is not neccessarily going to gel for the users, but
> the fact that gentoo now does not have a usable desktop for a large part
> of its user community should be a concern for all.

You could likely use the upstream version rather than the Gentoo
percolated product. That's what I do with my kernel patches, partly
for similar reasons as what you are dealing with.

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