George Shapovalov | 1 Jul 12:29 2006
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Scientific Gentoo reorg: lets get it moving

Hi gang

It looks like we got all the coments we could get, so lets get done with it 
then. What's left is minor legwork that is best done by the maintainers of 
the individual herds, here is the approximate list:

Herds:

0. If you feel you did not polish up the idea of a particular herd or category 
enough and you have not created a bug for it (blocking #138049, the tracker) 
I suggest you finally do it - it will become much more apparent then what to 
do..

0.5 Decide on the herd name.

1. Edit gentoo/misc/herds.xml and add the entry for the corresponding herd, 
listing developers who ended up maintaining it.

2. Adjust metatdata.xml files for the packages that should belong to it (the 
ones in the corresponding category are of course prime candidates, but dont 
forget to check sci-libs as well and check if there any others outside that 
you are aware of).

3. Create an alias for this new herd. It is probably best if the alias matches 
the name of the herd - bugwranglers will have no problem assigning the bugs 
then..
The aliases are on dev.g.o under /var/mail/alias (your dev login will allow 
you to access/modify them) and I would encourage the maintainers of these 
herds to create these aliases, so that you have more controll over your mails 
and I do not screw up (and not end up with people asking me for a trivial 
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George Shapovalov | 1 Jul 16:56 2006
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Re: [gentoo-science] Scientific Gentoo reorg: on herd naming

The herd naming issue has surfaced in more detail again - there were already 
two comments that it is beneficial to keep -sci in herd names. I originally 
suggested that we drop it (and in general go with a "catchier" names), but 
now it looks like I am slowly turning towards being more conservative 
myself :). That is to keep sci- and possibly resembel category names as much 
as possible. The reasoning: making life easier on bug wranglers and on 
everybody trying to search for the sci-related maintaince info or just to see 
the relationship between different packages.. Any thoughts?

(A comment towards users, as they seemed to react to this issue more then devs 
last time. This is a completely internal stuff that you are not supposed to 
see or care about, unless you are willing to become a developer and maintain 
packages of course ;). This does not concern how the categories are named 
(nothing happens there actually, well, except for a few possible splits)).

Anyway, I'd say it is best for the actual maintainers to decide for every 
herd. However if we have upwards of two herds retaining sci or following 
category naming I think it makes sense for all to keep it all consistent and 
follow..

George
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Alexandre Buisse | 1 Jul 19:06 2006
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: lets get it moving

On Sat, Jul  1, 2006 at 13:36:10 +0200, George Shapovalov wrote:

> Hi gang
> 
> It looks like we got all the coments we could get, so lets get done with it 
> then. What's left is minor legwork that is best done by the maintainers of 
> the individual herds, here is the approximate list:

math-proof is all done. For now, there is only me in herds.xml, let me
know if someone is interested in joining.
As a sidenote, you need to bribe an infra member to create a new alias,
as /var/mail/alias/misc is only r-x.

 
> Caterogies:
> 
> sci-proof - saw some activity but I understand that most of the proposed 
> packages are not in the tree yet. May start as a herd and transition to the 
> category when enough packages go in..

My ebuild for agda is almost ready (there are still a couple of issues
with emacs site-lisp directory) and there are at least 5 or 6 more that
I would like to add, though creating ebuilds may prove quite difficult.

Regards,
/Alexandre
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Donnie Berkholz | 1 Jul 22:07 2006
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Scientific Gentoo reorg: on herd naming

George Shapovalov wrote:
> The herd naming issue has surfaced in more detail again - there were already 
> two comments that it is beneficial to keep -sci in herd names. I originally 
> suggested that we drop it (and in general go with a "catchier" names), but 
> now it looks like I am slowly turning towards being more conservative 
> myself :). That is to keep sci- and possibly resembel category names as much 
> as possible. The reasoning: making life easier on bug wranglers and on 
> everybody trying to search for the sci-related maintaince info or just to see 
> the relationship between different packages.. Any thoughts?

As I said on the bug, I don't really think this makes sense.
metadata.xml will show either 'electronics' or 'sci-electronics',
however you name it. You can use herdstat or many other tools to display
things in many different ways related to package maintainers/herds/etc.
Naming herds after categories doesn't really make sense when there isn't
a 1-to-1 mapping of herds and categories.

Thanks,
Donnie

Luis Medinas | 4 Jul 02:38 2006
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New sub-project Gentoo Science Physics

Hi

I'm glad to announce a new sub project from Gentoo Science. The Physics
sub project!
You may noticed i created a new category on the tree and moved a few
packages from another categories to the new one.
Now the future is to maintain and add new applications to provide the
best platform for science development on the opensource world. We
encourage the participation of all scientists(or future scientists :))
like us to help with this job, you can submit and research new packages,
help us fixing bugs and creating documentation.

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Luis Medinas | 4 Jul 02:40 2006
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New sub-project Gentoo Science Physics

Hi

I'm glad to announce a new sub project from Gentoo Science. The Physics
sub project!
You may noticed i created a new category on the tree and moved a few
packages from another categories to the new one.
Now the future is to maintain and add new applications to provide the
best platform for science development on the opensource world. We
encourage the participation of all scientists(or future scientists :))
like us to help with this job, you can submit and research new packages,
help us fixing bugs and creating documentation.

Greetings

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Francois Castonguay | 4 Jul 18:23 2006
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RE: New sub-project Gentoo Science Physics

Good morning all, I’m not sure of the proper protocol to respond to this specific mailing list, but I figure this was such a great opportunity, that I couldn’t miss it. I have one more year in order to graduate form my bachelor in physics and computer science. I have been added on the science mailing list for a couple of month now, at the same time that I started being interested in Gentoo. I’m now up and running with my first Gentoo machine and would like to help the community. I do not know how much my contribution can be of an asset but I need to start somewhere.

I love physics, and I’m starting to enjoy Gentoo. How can I help?

(Sorry for those who where forced to read my life story, I figure it was important to tell where I was before to start anything serious.)

 
François





> Subject: [gentoo-science] New sub-project Gentoo Science Physics
> From: metalgod <at> gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-dev <at> lists.gentoo.org; gentoo-science <at> lists.gentoo.org
> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 01:40:02 +0100
>
> Hi
>
> I'm glad to announce a new sub project from Gentoo Science. The Physics
> sub project!
> You may noticed i created a new category on the tree and moved a few
> packages from another categories to the new one.
> Now the future is to maintain and add new applications to provide the
> best platform for science development on the opensource world. We
> encourage the participation of all scientists(or future scientists :))
> like us to help with this job, you can submit and research new packages,
> help us fixing bugs and creating documentation.
>
> Greetings
>
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Luis Medinas | 4 Jul 21:09 2006
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RE: New sub-project Gentoo Science Physics

On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 12:23 -0400, Francois Castonguay wrote:
> Good morning all, I’m not sure of the proper protocol to respond to
> this specific mailing list, but I figure this was such a great
> opportunity, that I couldn’t miss it. I have one more year in order to
> graduate form my bachelor in physics and computer science. I have been
> added on the science mailing list for a couple of month now, at the
> same time that I started being interested in Gentoo. I’m now up and
> running with my first Gentoo machine and would like to help the
> community. I do not know how much my contribution can be of an asset
> but I need to start somewhere.
> 
> I love physics, and I’m starting to enjoy Gentoo. How can I help?
> 
> (Sorry for those who where forced to read my life story, I figure it
> was important to tell where I was before to start anything serious.)
> 
>  
> François
> 
> 
Glade to know you are interested in this sub project. If you want to be
in contact with the comunity you can stay on #gentoo-science and talk
with another users and devs. You can subscribe the Mailing list and much
much more things you can do.
For now we are interested in adding new applications to the tree
(related with physics) this task is sometimes difficult because there
isn't enough publicity of this applications. So you can research and
write an ebuild (if you want to get involved in the development). Of
course you can tell us how to you relate Gentoo with your physics works.
You can also suggest anything you think it will improve this project.

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George Shapovalov | 4 Jul 21:15 2006
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Re: New sub-project Gentoo Science Physics

Hi François

Thank you for your interest!
Since you are just starting with Gentoo it is probably not wise to invite you 
into some kind of developership right away :), however you still may find 
Gentoo Development handbook usefull:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml
It has a good deal of information on how to write ebuilds, eclasses, what 
caveats to expect, - stuff that you will find usefull if you want to step 
outside of merely "using" Gentoo. This reference might be usefull too:
http://devmanual.gentoo.org/
although I'd suggest it as a second "more advanced" reading :).

As for the involvement: the natural place to start would be to look at 
bugzilla:
https://bugs.gentoo.org
search for sci bugs and start helping. Resolving real problems or just 
testing/cleaning up submitted ebuilds. Of course you may as well submit 
ebuilds of your own ;) (but search the bugs first! You will be amazed hom 
much stuff we have there). 

Since you metion you are interested in physics you should probably look here:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138711
The bug is closed, since the herd has already been created (as announced), 
however it lists the number of packages that are expected to be added to the 
tree eventually. You may try creating ebuilds for some of those that are not 
in bugzilla yet. However if you do so, I'd suggest you coordinate with Luis 
Medinas, who is the reporter of that bug and who "oversees" the physics 
caterogy and herd..

Thanks again for your interest and wellcome!

George

вівторок, 4. липень 2006 18:23, Francois Castonguay Ви написали:
> Good morning all, I’m not sure of the proper protocol to respond to this
> specific mailing list, but I figure this was such a great opportunity, that
> I couldn’t miss it. I have one more year in order to graduate form my
> bachelor in physics and computer science. I have been added on the science
> mailing list for a couple of month now, at the same time that I started
> being interested in Gentoo. I’m now up and running with my first Gentoo
> machine and would like to help the community. I do not know how much my
> contribution can be of an asset but I need to start somewhere. I love
> physics, and I’m starting to enjoy Gentoo. How can I help?
> (Sorry for those who where forced to read my life story, I figure it was
> important to tell where I was before to start anything serious.)
>
> François

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Andrew Randles | 5 Jul 05:54 2006
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Re: freemat-2.0 at gentooscience.org

I don't mean to ask a dumb question but how do I get at this gentoo
science overlay?

Thanks,
Andrew

On 7/1/06, Andrey G. Grozin <A.G.Grozin <at> inp.nsk.su> wrote:
> Hello *,
>
> I've just commited a freemat-2.0 ebuild to the Gentoo science overlay.
> freemat seems to be a rather powerful matlab (quasi-) clone.
> It depends on qt-4 and some packages from the overlay (umfpack, arpack).
> It also depends on sci-libs/matio which I commited to the overlay some
> time ago. This last package is somewhat problematic: I found no normal
> downloading url, downloading requires clicking some buttons at some page
> (though it's free all right, LGPL). If you have the USE flag "fortran", a
> fortran interface to the library should be built; but this requires either
> g95 or gfortran. I have neither, so I build matio with -fortran; if
> somebody could check if it builds with gcc-4.1 with g95, I'd be grateful.
> It is also interesting if matio and freemat can be built on amd64. Please
> test this package, it seems interesting.
>
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