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George Prowse | 3 Feb 2008 21:16
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: How to improve the trustees

Roy Bamford wrote:
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> On 2008.02.03 16:49, Matthew Summers wrote:
>> Roy Bamford wrote:
>>>
>>> Many new users come to gentoo as their first Linux. Many of them
>>> are poorly informed about both Linux and Gentoo - I don't know how
>>> to reach this group *before* they start asking for help in #gentoo
>>> and on the forums. Thats the sort problem we have to solve.
>>>
>>>
>> Roy,
>>
>> Towards a solution to this particular issue above, I suggest Gentoo
>> provides a documentation project (possibly) entitled "Learning Linux
>> with Gentoo".  Within this we could easily address many issues faced
>> by new Linux/Gentoo users.  It would seem, as well, to be a good
>> service to the Gentoo and larger Linux communities, as many users of
>> other distros get information from our documentation pages as well as
>> our forums.  This could potentially increase Gentoo's exposure as 
>> well
>> as our user base by "de-mystifying" Gentoo and basically easing new
>> users into our way of operating, while also providing a great 
>> resource
>> for all Linux/Gentoo users.   I do want to state that this is not in
>> any way intended to disparage the efforts of the Gentoo Documentation
>> Project in any way. I think our docs are fantastic in many ways.  I 
>> am
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William L. Thomson Jr. | 7 Feb 2008 20:49
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OT Florida Linux Show 2008 call for help

Last minute notice and call for help.

The Florida Linux Show being held February 11th, 2008, this coming
Monday at University of North Florida in Jacksonville, Florida. In UNF's
University Center complex.

http://www.floridalinuxshow.com/

Due to other events this month, and a shortage of Gentoo devs in the
South Eastern United States. Combined with those near the region having
other obligations and not able to travel to the event. Presently have a
booth staffing shortage.

I will be there, as I initiated the process and reserved the booth. But
Gentoo did pay for it. Gentoo will have a presence there, and I will do
my best to put on a strong and professional appearance for Gentoo at the
show. However I could use some help.

Since no developers other than myself are able to make it to the show. I
figured I would extend the call for help to anyone running or using
Gentoo. That is also a Gentoo evangelist, and is willing to help man the
booth. Answer questions, etc. Must be knowledgeable wrt to Gentoo.

Really would appreciate it. I considered getting a booth for my own
company and staffing that. But for the area and for Gentoo. I decided it
would be best for Gentoo to be there, verses my own company. Although
without some support. Really would feel more comfortable representing my
company by myself, rather than Gentoo. Damn hind site :)

Mostly because I don't think many realize what's going on in this area
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Steve Long | 14 Feb 2008 13:51
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: How to improve the trustees

George Prowse wrote:
> Roy Bamford wrote:
>> On 2008.02.03 16:49, Matthew Summers wrote:
>>> Roy Bamford wrote:
>>>> Many new users come to gentoo as their first Linux. Many of them
>>>> are poorly informed about both Linux and Gentoo - I don't know how
>>>> to reach this group *before* they start asking for help in #gentoo
>>>> and on the forums. Thats the sort problem we have to solve.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Roy,
>>>
>>> Towards a solution to this particular issue above, I suggest Gentoo
>>> provides a documentation project (possibly) entitled "Learning Linux
>>> with Gentoo".  Within this we could easily address many issues faced
>>> by new Linux/Gentoo users.
<snip> 
>>>
>>> As always, I offer my assistance/support in the aforementioned
>>> endeavor.
>>>
>> Matthew,
>> 
>> I think this is a good idea. However, one of the issues is that a body
>> of new users is not even aware of the existance of the current
>> documentation.
>> 
>> e.g. How to head off questions like "I've just started the minimal CD
>> to install Gentoo but all I get is a black screen with some text at the
>> bottom. Where do I click to install Gentoo?"
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George Prowse | 14 Feb 2008 17:06
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Re: Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: How to improve the trustees

Steve Long wrote:
> George Prowse wrote:
>> Roy Bamford wrote:
>>> On 2008.02.03 16:49, Matthew Summers wrote:
>>>> Roy Bamford wrote:
>>>>> Many new users come to gentoo as their first Linux. Many of them
>>>>> are poorly informed about both Linux and Gentoo - I don't know how
>>>>> to reach this group *before* they start asking for help in #gentoo
>>>>> and on the forums. Thats the sort problem we have to solve.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Roy,
>>>>
>>>> Towards a solution to this particular issue above, I suggest Gentoo
>>>> provides a documentation project (possibly) entitled "Learning Linux
>>>> with Gentoo".  Within this we could easily address many issues faced
>>>> by new Linux/Gentoo users.
> <snip> 
>>>> As always, I offer my assistance/support in the aforementioned
>>>> endeavor.
>>>>
>>> Matthew,
>>>
>>> I think this is a good idea. However, one of the issues is that a body
>>> of new users is not even aware of the existance of the current
>>> documentation.
>>>
>>> e.g. How to head off questions like "I've just started the minimal CD
>>> to install Gentoo but all I get is a black screen with some text at the
>>> bottom. Where do I click to install Gentoo?"
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George Prowse | 14 Feb 2008 17:08
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: How to improve the trustees

Denis Dupeyron wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Jan Bilek <clonolu <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>> But some
>>  people claim it is because of a lack of manpower in Gentoo - in that
>>  case we might want to re-think recruitment process.

> One. There is no waiting list for recruitment. You could be in
> recruitment today if you wanted. Notice that, if *you* wanted. If
> people spent as much time contributing as they spend thinking they're
> thinking, circling around the obvious and regurgitating randomness,
> we'd be one damn active project. And don't tell me you don't have time
> or don't have the competence. None of us have time but we make it,
> plus you spent some writing this rather long email and others. And we
> don't only need technical people. I'd even say today we mostly need
> non-technical people. The staff quiz takes only a few minutes.
> 
> Two. You don't need to be a dev to contribute. Actually, being a dev
> means contributing like any user plus having the responsibility of
> dealing with the everyday mess (to say it mildly). I can tell you it's
> not fun everyday, so you may want to stay a contributing user. Having
> cvs commit rights will not make your penis any larger, but could
> result in your significant other walking away without you even seeing
> it.
> 
> Three. You're on the nfp list. If you really want to improve
> recruitment, you want to talk to devrel's recruitment subproject.

That is what needs to be told to the community, not just one person. I'm 
pretty sure that if more people knew that then there would be a large 
influx of people.
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Lucas Nussbaum | 1 Mar 2008 19:50

mailing list for cross-distributions collaboration

Hi,

A few months ago, I asked a set of questions on development mailing
lists of a few GNU/Linux distributions. This resulted in very
interesting discussions. As promised back then, all the answers from all
distros I contacted can be read at [0] (on the web) or [1] (as an mbox
file).

[0] http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/distributions/
[1] http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/distributions/distributions.mbox.gz

Also, Freedesktop.org kindly agreed to host a mailing list to ease
discussions between distributions, and act as a central point of
contact.  You can subscribe on [2], and post to
distributions <at> lists.freedesktop.org.

[2] http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/distributions

This mailing list is for people involved (or interested) in the
development of distributions. Questions that are on-topic are both
technical and social/organizational issues, like:
- How do you achieve graphical boot in your distro? Do you use some kind
  of dependancy-based or events-based boot?
- How do you package both ruby 1.8, ruby 1.9 and jruby, or handle KDE vs
  KDE4?
- Do you use a system that gives a limited set of rights to new
  contributors?

Off-topic stuff obviously include trolling about which distribution is
the best one, or user support.
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Robert Buchholz | 2 Mar 2008 14:22
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Re: mailing list for cross-distributions collaboration

Hey Lucas,

On Saturday 01 March 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> This mailing list is for people involved (or interested) in the
> development of distributions. Questions that are on-topic are both
> technical and social/organizational issues, like:
> - How do you achieve graphical boot in your distro? Do you use some
> kind of dependancy-based or events-based boot?
> - How do you package both ruby 1.8, ruby 1.9 and jruby, or handle KDE
> vs KDE4?
> - Do you use a system that gives a limited set of rights to new
>   contributors?
>
> Off-topic stuff obviously include trolling about which distribution
> is the best one, or user support.

Thanks for getting back on this one. Did you know there is a mailing 
list called "xvendor", hosted by openwall and established in 2002, that 
seems to have a similar focus [1]? It has been dead for the last months 
and years though, with an intended revival some days ago.
Having duplicate lists for this purpose seems counter-productive to me, 
maybe you can arrange a merger with the xvendor folks?

Regards,
Robert

[1] List Archives: http://www.openwall.com/lists/xvendor/
      Description: http://www.openwall.com/lists/xvendor/2008/02/15/1
                   http://www.openwall.com/lists/xvendor/2008/02/18/2
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