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Mike Frysinger | 1 Jan 2009 06:30
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Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

This is your monthly friendly reminder !  Same bat time (typically
the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel
(#gentoo-council  <at>  irc.freenode.net) !

If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even
vote on, let us know !  Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole
Gentoo dev list to see.

Keep in mind that every GLEP *re*submission to the council for review
must first be sent to the gentoo-dev mailing list 7 days (minimum)
before being submitted as an agenda item which itself occurs 7 days
before the meeting.  Simply put, the gentoo-dev mailing list must be
notified at least 14 days before the meeting itself.

For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage:
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Bruno | 1 Jan 2009 13:23
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Re: [SECURITY] Minimizing the suid usage

On Tue, 05 August 2008 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:51:09 +0200 Bruno Prémont wrote:
> > Has any progress happened since March for adding support for
> > FILE_CAPABILITIES?
> 
> Well, Alon still hasn't backed up his claim that Portage supports
> capabilities... Fairly important to establish that before anything
> else...
> 
In case the package manager has trouble with attributes (or the target
filesystem does not support them) a way to keep the system running
would be to apply the capabilities during src_install and have the
eclass check during pkg_postinst, eventually retrying and finally
falling back to suid at that point.
Even binpkg would be handled that way.

For this to work the eclass would have to remember the list of files
from src_install until pkg_postinst so that it can do all the work once
again (with a single call from the ebuild).

Bruno
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Maciej Mrozowski | 1 Jan 2009 21:55

Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

On Wednesday 31 of December 2008 17:28:09 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:21:45 +0100
>
> Maciej Mrozowski <reavertm <at> poczta.fm> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 31 of December 2008 16:57:12 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > Gentoo does not comply with the FHS. It was established a long time
> > > ago that FHS is considered silly and any compliance is merely
> > > because the FHS people somehow managed to avoid screwing that
> > > particular area up.
> >
> > Well, we're not here to deliberate about people's taste in FHS
> > silliness manner. FHS, being standard de-facto, following the
> > definition of the word "standard" as something accepted by majority
> > and thus promised to be respected. Not justified standard violations
> > or justified by "I don't like it" or "It's silly" should be repressed
> > and some good standards should be explicitly forced in my opinion.
> > Otherwise, inconsistency will create the feel of mess. I believe we
> > can agree on this.
>
> You could use the same argument to say "Gentoo must switch to RPM
> because LSB says so".

No, I would be invalid argumentation - I know it - you know it, so let's not 
continue with discussion of this kind until one side will EOT seeing it's 
pointless, while the other side will secretly announce epic victory ;)

It's not the point to blindly follow freedesktop or LSB - the point is to 
consistently follow one standard across whole distribution - if it's FHS - 
fine, if not - fine as well - but *only one* at a time.
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Ciaran McCreesh | 1 Jan 2009 22:03
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Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:55:13 +0100
Maciej Mrozowski <reavertm <at> poczta.fm> wrote:
> That being said I'd rather propose to force Gentoo news to comply to
> FHS as FHS is the most commonly used file/directory layout in Gentoo.

No, FHS is not the most commonly used layout. The traditional Unix
layout is the most commonly used layout.

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Alistair Bush | 1 Jan 2009 22:37
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Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files


Maciej Mrozowski wrote:
> On Wednesday 31 of December 2008 17:28:09 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> You could use the same argument to say "Gentoo must switch to RPM
>> because LSB says so".
> 
> No, I would be invalid argumentation - I know it - you know it, so let's not 
> continue with discussion of this kind until one side will EOT seeing it's 
> pointless, while the other side will secretly announce epic victory ;)

I actually agreed with Ciaran on this point. especially seeing I would 
like us to follow the parts of LSB that make sense within the Gentoo 
ecosystem.  (take Init Script Actions as an possible example 
http://refspecs.linux-foundation.org/LSB_3.2.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/iniscrptact.html).

> 
> It's not the point to blindly follow freedesktop or LSB - the point is to 
> consistently follow one standard across whole distribution - if it's FHS - 
> fine, if not - fine as well - but *only one* at a time.
 >
 > That being said I'd rather propose to force Gentoo news to comply to 
FHS as
 > FHS is the most commonly used file/directory layout in Gentoo.
 >

This really is bikeshedding......   Isn't consistently following a 
standard also blindly following it.  So when you ask us to consistently 
follow FHS why not ask for us to blindly follow it.

Man this is getting boring.
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Maciej Mrozowski | 1 Jan 2009 23:07

Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

On Thursday 01 of January 2009 22:03:55 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> No, FHS is not the most commonly used layout. The traditional Unix
> layout is the most commonly used layout.

So.. why not blindly use Unix layout everywhere instead (for Gentoo news as 
well)

On Thursday 01 of January 2009 22:37:28 Alistair Bush wrote:
> I actually agreed with Ciaran on this point. especially seeing I would
> like us to follow the parts of LSB that make sense within the Gentoo
> ecosystem.  (take Init Script Actions as an possible example
> http://refspecs.linux-foundation.org/LSB_3.2.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-ge
>neric/iniscrptact.html).

So, you agree with Mr Ciaran on that FHS is silly or on blindly following 
*every* LSB standard being silly? Great, but I wasn't suggesting any of this, 
I just suggested to pick any standard (most commonly used in Gentoo already), 
and *only one* and blindly follow it to avoid inconsistency.
In such scenario, please elaborate what is your point really.

>> It's not the point to blindly follow freedesktop or LSB - the point is to
>> consistently follow one standard across whole distribution - if it's FHS
>> - fine, if not - fine as well - but *only one* at a time.
> > That being said I'd rather propose to force Gentoo news to comply to
>> FHS as FHS is the most commonly used file/directory layout in Gentoo.

> This really is bikeshedding......   Isn't consistently following a
> standard also blindly following it.  So when you ask us to consistently
> follow FHS why not ask for us to blindly follow it.
> Man this is getting boring.
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Ciaran McCreesh | 1 Jan 2009 23:15
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Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:07:08 +0100
Maciej Mrozowski <reavertm <at> poczta.fm> wrote:
> On Thursday 01 of January 2009 22:03:55 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > No, FHS is not the most commonly used layout. The traditional Unix
> > layout is the most commonly used layout.
> 
> So.. why not blindly use Unix layout everywhere instead (for Gentoo
> news as well)

We do.

> So to make it all clear once again and for the last time - I would
> rather propose to force Gentoo news to comply to existing the most
> commonly used file/directory hierarchy structure in Gentoo
> distribution.

It already does.

Seriously, find something useful to change. I realise it's hard around
here to get anything major done, but all going around trying to change
the colour of the door handle on the bikeshed does is make life harder
for those people who are doing something useful.

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Maciej Mrozowski | 1 Jan 2009 23:28

Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

On Thursday 01 of January 2009 23:15:20 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:07:08 +0100
> > So.. why not blindly use Unix layout everywhere instead (for Gentoo
> > news as well)

> We do.

/var/lib/gentoo/news

> Seriously, find something useful to change. I realise it's hard around
> here to get anything major done, but all going around trying to change
> the colour of the door handle on the bikeshed does is make life harder
> for those people who are doing something useful.

I'm just commenting on someone's thread and giving counter proposal. And at 
least I'm not derivating the topic to non-topic specific areas and I'm not 
polluting mailing list with general non meritorical ideas as some are, am I?

cheers & EOT

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MM
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Ciaran McCreesh | 2 Jan 2009 00:29
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Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:28:52 +0100
Maciej Mrozowski <reavertm <at> poczta.fm> wrote:
> On Thursday 01 of January 2009 23:15:20 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:07:08 +0100
> > > So.. why not blindly use Unix layout everywhere instead (for
> > > Gentoo news as well)
> 
> > We do.
> 
> /var/lib/gentoo/news

...is perfectly fine, sensible, consistent and does not need repainting
bright green, especially when such a paint job would take six months to
dry.

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Tobias Scherbaum | 2 Jan 2009 17:20
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Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: ChangeLog use.local.desc

Matsuu Takuto (matsuu) wrote:
> matsuu      09/01/02 16:19:02
> 
>   Modified:             ChangeLog use.local.desc
>   Log:
>   Adding local use flags for app-i18n/ibus-table-{erbi,wubi,zhengma}.

Please add local use flags to metadata.xml ... see GLEP 56 for
reference. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0056.html

  Tobias
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