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Lance Albertson | 1 Mar 2006 01:13
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Re: [RFC] QA Team's role

Mark Loeser wrote:

> I don't think you will find one person that is going to say they are
> capable of changing how Ciaran interacts with people.  This is an
> entirely different issue though, and I have talked to Ciaran about it.
> What I was saying above is that I am not going to go and get involved
> every single time someone has a disagreement.  This situation has
> obviously grown to be ridiculous and I have had a talk with him about
> it, so he knows my feelings on the situation, and what I expect.

I should note that if are a Gentoo Developer and have
problems/concerns/issues with Ciaran's attitude/actions, please comment
on bug #114944. (this bug is only open to Gentoo developers). Its better
if you say it yourself in this bug rather than letting other people
quoting what you say.

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Ciaran McCreesh | 1 Mar 2006 01:28
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Re: [RFC] QA Team's role

On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:13:57 -0600 Lance Albertson
<ramereth <at> gentoo.org> wrote:
| I should note that if are a Gentoo Developer and have
| problems/concerns/issues with Ciaran's attitude/actions, please
| comment on bug #114944. (this bug is only open to Gentoo developers).
| Its better if you say it yourself in this bug rather than letting
| other people quoting what you say.

I should note that if you are a Gentoo developer who has found my
advice helpful, you should comment on bug #114944 since certain people
are trying to turn Gentoo development into a popularity contest.

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Mike Frysinger | 1 Mar 2006 01:40
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Re: [RFC] QA Team's role

On Tuesday 28 February 2006 19:28, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:13:57 -0600 Lance Albertson
>
> <ramereth <at> gentoo.org> wrote:
> | I should note that if are a Gentoo Developer and have
> | problems/concerns/issues with Ciaran's attitude/actions, please
> | comment on bug #114944. (this bug is only open to Gentoo developers).
> | Its better if you say it yourself in this bug rather than letting
> | other people quoting what you say.
>
> I should note that if you are a Gentoo developer who has found my
> advice helpful, you should comment on bug #114944 since certain people
> are trying to turn Gentoo development into a popularity contest.

there's a lot more to the issue, but it's sad if that's all you see in the bug
-mike
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Lance Albertson | 1 Mar 2006 03:22
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Re: [RFC] QA Team's role

Lance Albertson wrote:

> I should note that if are a Gentoo Developer and have
> problems/concerns/issues with Ciaran's attitude/actions, please comment
> on bug #114944. (this bug is only open to Gentoo developers). Its better
> if you say it yourself in this bug rather than letting other people
> quoting what you say.

Since some people may read this the wrong way, let me please clarify.

If you have *anything* (good or bad) to add to the bug, please feel free
to (If you're a developer). I'm not trying to single out one developer,
rather I felt that informing developers about it (since there has been a
lot of frustration shown on this list) was a good idea.

Sorry if it seemed more biased one way or the other. It was not my
intention at all. I assumed people would read that and realize that they
could also add good comments if they wanted to.

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Jakub Moc | 1 Mar 2006 08:17
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Re[2]: [RFC] QA Team's role


1.3.2006, 1:40:53, Mike Frysinger wrote:

> On Tuesday 28 February 2006 19:28, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:13:57 -0600 Lance Albertson
>>
>> <ramereth <at> gentoo.org> wrote:
>> | I should note that if are a Gentoo Developer and have
>> | problems/concerns/issues with Ciaran's attitude/actions, please
>> | comment on bug #114944. (this bug is only open to Gentoo developers).
>> | Its better if you say it yourself in this bug rather than letting
>> | other people quoting what you say.
>>
>> I should note that if you are a Gentoo developer who has found my
>> advice helpful, you should comment on bug #114944 since certain people
>> are trying to turn Gentoo development into a popularity contest.

> there's a lot more to the issue, but it's sad if that's all you see in the bug
> -mike

Indeed. Ciaran, that bug is not about technical competence; it's about your
civil communication skills, that are as lacking as penguins on the Sahara
desert in your case. Technical skills themselves are not useful for a
project the requires you to communicate w/ other people in a civilized
manner.

As someone else noted, certains "skills" might be fit for a car salesmen but
not for developers of a Linux distro. If a company hires a technically
brilliant QA guy only to find out later on that this brilliant guy has
killed the whole team while communicating his finding to others in such
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Jakub Moc | 1 Mar 2006 08:21
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Re[2]: [RFC] QA Team's role


28.2.2006, 16:31:26, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:17:20 +0100 Paul de Vrieze <pauldv <at> gentoo.org>
> wrote:
> | On Tuesday 28 February 2006 15:52, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| >> Yes, it's an utterly trivial problem, but it is a QA violation.
| >> Getting a complete list is something that takes a heck of a lot
| >> longer, and I have yet to be convinced that my time would not be
| >> better spent elsewhere.
> | 
> | Where is a coding style problem related to quality of code in general
> | and assurance in particular?

> It's more relevant than you might think. Screwing up layout like that
> breaks various QA checking tools that assume that things are in the
> standard format.

A tool that chokes on coding style (like tabs and whitespaces) should be
ifself fixed.

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Jakub Moc | 1 Mar 2006 08:37
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28.2.2006, 16:29:10, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:08:05 +0100 Jakub Moc <jakub <at> gentoo.org> wrote:
> | 28.2.2006, 15:39:40, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| >> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:49:13 +0100 Jakub Moc <jakub <at> gentoo.org>
| >> wrote:
| >> | No, that's not a policy document, ebuild policy is documented
| >> | here:
| >> |
| >> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?style=printable&part=3&chap=1
> | 
| >> No, the whole thing is policy.
> | 
> | No, it isn't.

> 'Fraid it is. Everything in the devrel handbook that isn't explicitly
> marked as a guideline is policy.

Sorry, such procedure is not acceptable until you change the whole
metastructure of the project so that a bunch of people is allowed to dictate
to others whatever they think is fit. (Another question is how many people
will want to work on such project.) Until that's done, things should be
discussed and some form of consent reached.

> | When and where has been the following change discussed and who |
> approved that? |  |
> http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/xml/htdocs/proj/en/devrel/handbook/hb-guide-ebuild.xml?r1=1.25&r2=1.26&root=gentoo

> Wouldn't know. That was nothing to do with me. I just wrote the
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Donnie Berkholz | 1 Mar 2006 10:51
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Re: [gentoo-core] Resignation

Brian Harring wrote:
> Hola all.
> 
> Been an interesting two some years, but have decided it's time for me 
> to turn in my resignation and wander on to things outside of gentoo.
> 
> If you need to track me down, I'll be checking ferringb <at> gmail.com .
> 
> So... yeah, so long and thanks for all the fish :)

Best of luck in your future endeavors. Don't think this gets you out of
hanging out with me while you're in Oregon!

Now you only need to find something to do with all the spare time you've
just freed up ...

Thanks,
Donnie
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Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò | 1 Mar 2006 11:03
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Re: [gentoo-core] Resignation

On Wednesday 01 March 2006 10:37, Brian Harring wrote:
> Been an interesting two some years, but have decided it's time for me
> to turn in my resignation and wander on to things outside of gentoo.
I'm a bit sad hearing that, as it's always sad to hear that a good fellow dev 
goes away... but Donnie is right, you're freeing up quite a bit of time ;)
Good luck whatever you'll want to do :)

Now, I really need to find a new victim for BSD portage changes, too...

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Danny van Dyk | 1 Mar 2006 11:29
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Re: [RFC] QA Team's role

Am Mittwoch, 1. März 2006 08:21 schrieb Jakub Moc:
> 28.2.2006, 16:31:26, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:17:20 +0100 Paul de Vrieze <pauldv <at> gentoo.org>
> > | On Tuesday 28 February 2006 15:52, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> | >> Yes, it's an utterly trivial problem, but it is a QA violation.
> | >> Getting a complete list is something that takes a heck of a lot
> | >> longer, and I have yet to be convinced that my time would not be
> | >> better spent elsewhere.
> > |
> > | Where is a coding style problem related to quality of code in general
> > | and assurance in particular?
> >
> > It's more relevant than you might think. Screwing up layout like that
> > breaks various QA checking tools that assume that things are in the
> > standard format.
>
> A tool that chokes on coding style (like tabs and whitespaces) should be
> ifself fixed.
Hmm, you never used repoman, right? repoman checks for whitespace and tab 
oddities and warns you, if you want to commit them.

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