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Seemant Kulleen | 1 Dec 2004 20:44
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Boyz 'N Apache

Hi Everyone,

Another late-breaking update from Devrel News.  This just in: Michael
Stewart has officially joined our apache team.  As of a day ago, he's
had his  <at> gentoo address, and just moments ago, I myself was live on the
scene as he did his cvs checkout.  Er, that is to say, I was on irc and
he was on irc while it was happening.  It was a very exciting moment,
however, and a good time was had by all.

So, his /nick is, in fact, vericgar, and we're offering a 30-point
reward for anyone who can figure out what it means.  We don't know,
we're hoping you will.  I'm not even sure Michael himself knows, but
anything's possible, I suppose.

And he's from Spokane, Washington (the state not the DC), where he lives
with his fiancee.  The future mrs. vericgar was not able to attend the
cvs checkout, but she did send him a telephone greeting during the
proceedings.

Next up, is the latest doppler weather from our weather center (ie, the
computer next door).

Love,

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Stuart Herbert | 1 Dec 2004 20:47
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Re: Boyz 'N Apache

On Wednesday 01 December 2004 19:44, Seemant Kulleen wrote:
> Another late-breaking update from Devrel News.  This just in: Michael
> Stewart has officially joined our apache team.

Yay.  I might actually manage to escape Apache duties soon, and get my life 
back ;-)

Best regards,
Stu
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Lance Albertson | 1 Dec 2004 20:53
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Re: Boyz 'N Apache

Stuart Herbert wrote:
> On Wednesday 01 December 2004 19:44, Seemant Kulleen wrote:
> 
>>Another late-breaking update from Devrel News.  This just in: Michael
>>Stewart has officially joined our apache team.
> 
> 
> Yay.  I might actually manage to escape Apache duties soon, and get my life 
> back ;-)

Not if you scare him off like all the other apache devs ;) You just need to keep
that little secret better kept.

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Georgi Georgiev | 1 Dec 2004 21:12
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Re: Boyz 'N Apache

maillog: 01/12/2004-11:44:13(-0800): Seemant Kulleen types
>
> So, his /nick is, in fact, vericgar, and we're offering a 30-point
> reward for anyone who can figure out what it means.  We don't know,
> we're hoping you will.  I'm not even sure Michael himself knows, but
> anything's possible, I suppose.

I got it, I got it, I got it!

http://www.cyborgname.com/cyborger.cgi?acronym=VERICGAR&robotchoice=edox

V.E.R.I.C.G.A.R.:
	Vigilant Electronic Repair and Infiltration Construct/General
	Artificial Replicant

That's, of course, assuming he is not intentionally spelling it
backwards. Because the following is much more likely.

R.A.G.C.I.R.E.V.:
	Robotic Android Generated for Calculation and
	Infiltration/Replicant Engineered for Violence

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Ferris McCormick | 1 Dec 2004 21:13
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On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Seemant Kulleen wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
>
> So, his /nick is, in fact, vericgar, and we're offering a 30-point
> reward for anyone who can figure out what it means.  We don't know,
> we're hoping you will.  I'm not even sure Michael himself knows, but
> anything's possible, I suppose.
>

Isn't that one of the Gauls Caesar went after?

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Lluís Batlle i Rossell | 1 Dec 2004 23:21

About linux-headers, making stages with catalyst

Hi!

Well, I just got subscribed to this list... I don't know if I'm a gentoo
developer, but I think only here I'll find an answer to this question.

I'm a user of catalyst; I'm trying to make stages for some different
arquitectures, which use the newest portage and _at least_ linux 2.6 headers.
I'm using the profile portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2004.2, and there are
virtuals which refer to linux 2.6.

When catalyst tries to build stage 1 (from a stage 3), it creates a "stage1root"
in /tmp. There are copied the portage profile, and little more. Then, "emerge"
is called for installing the base packages, using environment variable "ROOT".
That "emerge" call, as a dependence, tries to install "linux-headers". In a
similar case, using the same profile, it happens that "emerge" tries to install
"gentoo-sources-2.4..." when emerging "device-mapper" (which depends on
virtual/linux-source).

Where does "emerge" read that it has to install "2.4" things? There are only the
"virtuals" in the profile, isn't it? And they relate to 2.6... I really don't
know how to tell emerge not to use "2.4" things, as I know only that he reads
the "virtuals" for satisfying virtuals' dependencies.

I hope I wrote my problem clear enough. I'm not too good writting in English. :)

Thanks!

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Duncan | 2 Dec 2004 02:21
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Re: About linux-headers, making stages with catalyst

Lluís Batlle i Rossell posted
<20041201222109.GA20954 <at> vicerveza.homeunix.net>, excerpted below,  on Wed,
01 Dec 2004 23:21:09 +0100:

> That "emerge" call, as a dependence, tries to install "linux-headers".
> In a similar case, using the same profile, it happens that "emerge"
> tries to install "gentoo-sources-2.4..." when emerging "device-mapper"
> (which depends on virtual/linux-source).
> 
> Where does "emerge" read that it has to install "2.4" things? There are
> only the "virtuals" in the profile, isn't it? And they relate to 2.6...
> I really don't know how to tell emerge not to use "2.4" things, as I
> know only that he reads the "virtuals" for satisfying virtuals'
> dependencies.

OK, I know nothing about catalyst, and am just a user generally lurking on
the dev list, but... this one's a portage question at least in part, and I
/think/ I can answer that side of it.

Virtuals, in portage, mean any single package of a group of packages (all
with provides=<the virtual in question>) may meet the requirements.  If
one is already installed, great, that satisfies the requirement.  If no
such literal package fulfilling the requirement is yet installed, however,
portage falls back to a default choice.

What you have here is portage falling back to a 2.4 default choice, a 2.4
kernel and kernel-headers, while you want 2.6 versions.  For a live
install, you'd simply install your chosen 2.6 version which would then
provide the virtual you needed.
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Lluís Batlle i Rossell | 2 Dec 2004 12:01

Re: Re: About linux-headers, making stages with catalyst

Thanks a lot for the answers.
(I answer between your lines)

On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 06:21:20PM -0700, Duncan wrote:
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> OK, I know nothing about catalyst, and am just a user generally lurking on
> the dev list, but... this one's a portage question at least in part, and I
> /think/ I can answer that side of it.
> 
> Virtuals, in portage, mean any single package of a group of packages (all
> with provides=<the virtual in question>) may meet the requirements.  If
> one is already installed, great, that satisfies the requirement.  If no
> such literal package fulfilling the requirement is yet installed, however,
> portage falls back to a default choice.
The default choice is specified in the virtuals, isn't it?

> 
> What you have here is portage falling back to a 2.4 default choice, a 2.4
> kernel and kernel-headers, while you want 2.6 versions.  For a live
> install, you'd simply install your chosen 2.6 version which would then
> provide the virtual you needed.
> 
> I'm on amd64 and as I said haven't worked with catalyst, but AFAIK, what
> you need to do there is fix the profile such that the defaults are 2.6.
> Why are you still using a 2004.2 profile for one thing?  The 2004.3
> profile, if I'm not mistaken, defaults to kernel 2.6 along with updating
> other requirements appropriately.  If you have no specific reason not to,
> I'd suggest updating to the 2004.3 profile.
Ok, I'll just try the 2004.3 profile. I thought 2004.2 had 2.6 virtuals.
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Alexander Skwar | 2 Dec 2004 13:26

Re: Boyz 'N Apache

Ferris McCormick wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Seemant Kulleen wrote:

>> So, his /nick is, in fact, vericgar, and we're offering a 30-point

> Isn't that one of the Gauls Caesar went after?

That should be Vercingetorix.

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Chris Gianelloni | 2 Dec 2004 15:26
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Re: About linux-headers, making stages with catalyst

On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 23:21 +0100, Lluís Batlle i Rossell wrote:
> I'm a user of catalyst; I'm trying to make stages for some different
> arquitectures, which use the newest portage and _at least_ linux 2.6 headers.
> I'm using the profile portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2004.2, and there are
> virtuals which refer to linux 2.6.

I made this profile and I can assure you that 2.4 headers and a 2.4
kernel are the defaults for it and the 2004.3 profile.  There is not a
x86 profile in the portage tree that does not have 2.4 as the defaults
yet.

> When catalyst tries to build stage 1 (from a stage 3), it creates a "stage1root"
> in /tmp. There are copied the portage profile, and little more. Then, "emerge"
> is called for installing the base packages, using environment variable "ROOT".
> That "emerge" call, as a dependence, tries to install "linux-headers". In a
> similar case, using the same profile, it happens that "emerge" tries to install
> "gentoo-sources-2.4..." when emerging "device-mapper" (which depends on
> virtual/linux-source).

This is expected behavior thanks to the profile's virtuals.

> Where does "emerge" read that it has to install "2.4" things? There are only the
> "virtuals" in the profile, isn't it? And they relate to 2.6... I really don't
> know how to tell emerge not to use "2.4" things, as I know only that he reads
> the "virtuals" for satisfying virtuals' dependencies.

You are correct in that the virtuals file is read.  The easiest way
would be for you to create your own profile and use that instead.

> I hope I wrote my problem clear enough. I'm not too good writting in English. :)
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