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Denis Shcherbakov | 1 Jan 2003 03:09
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Re: final release?


Dave, I couldn't agree more.

I never tried BSD myself, but I did try to coexist with Redhat and then
SuSE and both left a bitter aftertaste. :)  Whereas Redhat is sort of
optimizable, SuSE was not very tractable in that regard.  But sadly
enough, both Redhat and SuSE are slowly but surely approaching Windoze.

With Gentoo, not only can you tune and performance-optimize your box, you
retain the feel and stability that is always advertised about Linux.

I am getting brave enough to consider the idea of using Gentoo to deliver
laptop-aided presentations for scientific seminars.  I haven't researched
that topic very much yet, but this is where stability and dependability
would count the most for me - the ability not to worry that my Powerpoint
in Windoze will crash during a talk.  I haven't seen anyone present with a
Linux laptop yet...  Any of you tried it?  I'd love to know!!

Many thanks to Gentoo again...  and Happy New Year to all :)

Denis

On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, David Hunter wrote:

    I just thought I would take the time to make the positive reply.
GENTOO is the best distro I have ever used. I'm a BSD guy, and M$ (hate
to say it) but Gentoo is good enough that my primary workstation at home
is now gentoo, with XP on my secondary box.
It just works. I understand it, there is no crazy archane structures, it
just works. I used to use SuSE but as often as not, if I could do it on
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Regis Smith | 1 Jan 2003 04:06

Re: final release?

On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 09:09:08PM -0500, Denis Shcherbakov wrote:
> [...]
> I am getting brave enough to consider the idea of using Gentoo to deliver
> laptop-aided presentations for scientific seminars.  I haven't researched
> that topic very much yet, but this is where stability and dependability
> would count the most for me - the ability not to worry that my Powerpoint
> in Windoze will crash during a talk.  I haven't seen anyone present with a
> Linux laptop yet...  Any of you tried it?  I'd love to know!!

If you have a laptop with the proper video outputs, doing a
presentation in Linux is essentially the same as doing one in Windows,
isn't it?  Just run xdvi or gv (or whatever you use) full screen.  If
you need the cutesie powerpoint effects, I believe there is an
extension for TeX that produces PDFs with such effects that acrobat
can render (though the last time I tried acrobat for Linux (not
recently) it liked to crash).  Or just use Kpresenter if you use KDE.
As far as stability goes, xdvi and gv can't be touched (IMO).  mgv has
a nice full screen mode, but I've seen it crash before on certain
PDFs.

By the way, I would never do a powerpoint unless it was required, but
I have to admit I've never seen ppt crash during a live presentation.

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Matt Meola | 1 Jan 2003 04:45
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On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 12:25, David Hunter wrote:
>     I just thought I would take the time to make the positive reply. 
> GENTOO is the best distro I have ever used. I'm a BSD guy, and M$ (hate 
> to say it) but Gentoo is good enough that my primary workstation at home 
> is now gentoo, with XP on my secondary box.

Well, I'd like to chime in here too; I come from FreeBSD, and while I
still have a place for it in my heart, Gentoo Linux is right beside it.

> It just works. I understand it, there is no crazy archane structures, it 
> just works. I used to use SuSE but as often as not, if I could do it on 
> XP I would. Now, I only use XP as a back up.

emerge just rocks; it is the BSD ports system as it should have been.

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Mark Farver | 1 Jan 2003 02:06
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qmail-1.03-r9.ebuild?

The qmail-1.03-r9 ebuild has been masked since September, it adds
support for SMTP-TLS and qmail ldap. Currently it appears to be masked
due to a problem compiling when USE = ssl ldap is set (the exact
features I want to use....) 

Email sent to raker <at> gentoo.org (listed in package.mask, and as the
responsible developer for all of net-mail) have gone unanswered. (
Since there are unimplemented hooks in the ebuild to solve this issue I
suspect he already knows the solution, and there might be unforseen
other issues...)

I have a patch against the current CVS tree that gets it to the compile
and work stage, at least for me.

What is the best way to submit this to someone that cares?  

My ideas:

1. Create a bugzilla entry reporting the compile failure, and linking to
the patch.

2. Saying to heck with doing something useful, since as long as overlay
is available it works for me, and rsync won't trash it.

3. Connive nearby friend who is blessed with CVS access to apply patch.

4. Send constant "are we there yet" messages to developer until he/she
cracks under strain and trades "holiday cheer" for automatic weapons
fire.
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Nick Hadaway | 1 Jan 2003 08:46
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Re: qmail-1.03-r9.ebuild?

I don't have any record of you sending me information.  Please forward me
any fixes or patches that you have which may alleviate current issues with
qmail -r9.  I have had limited responses from people.  Some reporting
things working well and other appearing not to be able to get things
configured correctly.

There is a bug currently which I have looked for responses on -r9.  Here
is a link for you...
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2808

Please if anyone has any suggestions or problems that they find, please
let me know what your experiences are... log information is helpful as
well.  Yes, the unmasking of an updated ebuild is long overdue.

-nick
 raker <at> gentoo.org
 Feel free to email me. :)  I promise I will respond.  Communication is
ALWAYS a good thing.

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Bengt Gorden | 1 Jan 2003 11:11
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Hi all! (And happy new year)

Denis Shcherbakov wrote:
 > in Windoze will crash during a talk.  I haven't seen anyone present
 > with a Linux laptop yet...  Any of you tried it?  I'd love to know!!

I've done my presentations on, first BSD and then Linux for over 6 years 
now. I've been working with almost everything that can do presentation. 
Here are a few of them that I consider nice.

Simpress (OpenOffice):
Nice to work with although it is a little to much for me. I do have had 
2 occasions where OpenOffice crashed and I lost some of my presentation 
but that has always been in the process of making the presentation. It 
is very much like Powerpoint but it lacks a few minor things. I have 
converted a lot of powerpoint files into OpenOffice format with no 
hazzles but I'm not a advanced Powerpoint user so there could be 
problems there for all I know.

Kpresenter (KDE):
I used this a couple of years ago so I'm not up to date with it.

Latex:
Here we have a few different ways to make a presentation. The last thing 
I used is Prosper. It is really good but you are back to hacking latex. 
It produces dvi, ps or pdf. We use latex at work because we share the 
presentation in our CVS-tree. There are a few other classes in latex to 
produce presentations. Foiltex and seminars are two.

Magicpoint:
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Martin Volf | 1 Jan 2003 17:57
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gcc without ada,f77,objc ?

Hello,

is there an other way to emerge gcc without ada,f77,objc except editing the .ebuild file? I don't need these
languages, maybe the build would be a little bit faster without them. Or am I wrong? I was quite
disappointed when I saw them built. Couldn't this be documented somewhere?

Thanks.

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Terje Kvernes | 1 Jan 2003 18:48
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Bengt Gorden <bengan <at> sunet.se> writes:

  [ ... ]

> Latex: Here we have a few different ways to make a presentation. The
> last thing I used is Prosper. It is really good but you are back to
> hacking latex. It produces dvi, ps or pdf. We use latex at work
> because we share the presentation in our CVS-tree. There are a few
> other classes in latex to produce presentations. Foiltex and
> seminars are two.

  latex with prosper and pdftex running under acroread[1] makes for
  some really interesting stuff.  it far supersedes what mostly
  everything else can do.  and nothing comes close to tex when it
  comes to visual perfection.  as for "back to hacking latex" I
  consider this a good thing.  :-)

  [1] gv and xpdf don't always deal well with inline movies et al.

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Bart Verwilst | 1 Jan 2003 19:23
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On Wednesday 01 January 2003 03:09, Denis Shcherbakov wrote:
||  I am getting brave enough to consider the idea of using Gentoo to deliver
||  laptop-aided presentations for scientific seminars.  I haven't researched
||  that topic very much yet, but this is where stability and dependability
||  would count the most for me - the ability not to worry that my Powerpoint
||  in Windoze will crash during a talk.  I haven't seen anyone present with
|| a Linux laptop yet...  Any of you tried it?  I'd love to know!!

I presented my thesis last year with kpresenter, went just great!
(even although i was using a CVS version of koffice at that time ;o) 

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Matthew J. Turk | 1 Jan 2003 19:31
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On Wed, 2003-01-01 at 13:23, Bart Verwilst wrote:
> I presented my thesis last year with kpresenter, went just great!
> (even although i was using a CVS version of koffice at that time ;o) 

An alternative, if it's pretty math heavy or you don't like kpresenter,
is to use FoilTeX and then present in PDF format using Acrobat's
full-screen option.  I did that this summer and found it to be very
quick and easy, as well as professional looking.

mjt
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