Re: nmcli and NetworkManager configuration

Phil Mayers <p.mayers <at> imperial.ac.uk> writes:
>
> A couple more pointers:
>
> http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/developers/settings-spec-08.html
>
> ...or the older:
>
> http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerConfigurationSpecification
>
> ...shows the schema; in keyfile language the setting "name"
> corresponds to the ini section and the keyname to the ini key, like
> so:

Thank you very much for these examples, and to all for the the helpful
advice in this thread.

I know a few other people who are likewise interested in these issues,
so I am sure there will be some experimentation taking place before too
long.

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memex on a stick?

Anybody got a memex?

It seems that you could use a DVCS, tagging (as with
git-tag) and one of the up-and-coming local search
systems to make a pretty good memex.  I don't have a
memex. I have a messy pile of downloaded web stuff and
PDFs that I would like to feed into a memex, though.

Most of this is stuff that I can't just dump
into a public site, and let the free-range search
engines index it, because I don't have permission
to redistribute.

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Re: memex on a stick?

> Anybody got a memex?
>
> It seems that you could use a DVCS, tagging (as with
> git-tag) and one of the up-and-coming local search
> systems to make a pretty good memex.  I don't have a
> memex. I have a messy pile of downloaded web stuff and
> PDFs that I would like to feed into a memex, though.
>
> Most of this is stuff that I can't just dump
> into a public site, and let the free-range search
> engines index it, because I don't have permission
> to redistribute.

Memex?

Duckduckgo says...

" Memex
The memex is the name given by Vannevar Bush to the theoretical
proto-hypertext computer system he proposed in his 1945 The Atlantic
Monthly article As We May Think. More at "Wikipedia"
Memex Technology Limited - Memex Technology Limited is a Scottish
software company delivering mission-critical information systems and
services for the Law Enforcement and Security markets.
Andries van Dam - Andries "Andy" van Dam is a Dutch-born American
professor of computer science and former Vice-President for Research
at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island."

I assume you mean the first...
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Memex ... "a device in

Re: memex on a stick?

begin Tony Godshall quotation of Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 09:20:04AM -0700:

> So is not a linux distro with git installed not a memex?  Or does it
> need "...a desk, where on top are slanting translucent screens on
> which material can be projected for convenient reading..."... I
> certainly don't have slanting translucent screens.

Git looks very promising as the "plumbing" of a
memex, but on tip of that, in order to make it a
proper memex you need some way of tagging items as
relevant to a particular project.  So if you have a
PDF of someone's doctoral dissertation, and page 139
explains an algorithm that you want to use to merge
two XML files, and that's relevant to a wishlist bug,
you want to be able to mark it up.

> If you are looking for a private search engine to search through all
> your accumulated stuff, you might look at lucene-solr-tika if you like
> Java (at apache.org) or Whoosh (python) or if you don't mind a
> proprietary app, google desktop.  I think Beagle was supposed to do
> desktop searching but it was in Ubuntu and never clear how to be used
> and now it's out again.

Woosh looks good -- it has Wordnet support for doing
synonyms, which is pretty groovy.
  http://packages.python.org/Whoosh/api/lang/wordnet.html#module-whoosh.lang.wordnet

There's also Tracker for desktop search, which may
be good enough, and already installed on more systems:
  http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/development.html

Re: memex on a stick?

Don Marti <dmarti <at> zgp.org> writes:

> Git looks very promising as the "plumbing" of a memex

Why Git in particular? What prevents any of the big three DVCSen (Git,
Bazaar, Mercurial) from doing the job in your opinion?

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Re: memex on a stick?

Ben Finney:
> Don Marti <dmarti <at> zgp.org> writes:
> > Git looks very promising as the "plumbing" of a memex
> Why Git in particular? What prevents any of the big three DVCSen 

Wow, that's the first time I've seen anyone use the "-en" plural form on
a word that didn't end in 'x'.

> (Git, Bazaar, Mercurial) from doing the job in your opinion?

They're all roughly equivalent now.  Git has the benefit of popularity,
at the expense of user interface (no dammit just let me commit the diff
you're showing me without a page-long lecture about some stupid
inventory!).  I'd expect that nearly anything you hear anyone promote
about one of those three applies to all of them, these days.

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Re: memex on a stick?

Ben, Nick:

If you are going off on a "which DVCS is better" topic, please change
the Subject line or risk being accused of hijacking the thread

Don:

You seem to have a clear idea of what a memex is that many of the rest
of us lack- could you point us to a definition that fits what you are
talking about a little better than the one on Wikipedia?

Best Regards.

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 01:31, Teh Entar-Nick <nick <at> teh.entar.net> wrote:
> Ben Finney:
>> Don Marti <dmarti <at> zgp.org> writes:
>> > Git looks very promising as the "plumbing" of a memex
>> Why Git in particular? What prevents any of the big three DVCSen
>
> Wow, that's the first time I've seen anyone use the "-en" plural form on
> a word that didn't end in 'x'.
>
>> (Git, Bazaar, Mercurial) from doing the job in your opinion?
>
> They're all roughly equivalent now.  Git has the benefit of popularity,
> at the expense of user interface (no dammit just let me commit the diff
> you're showing me without a page-long lecture about some stupid
> inventory!).  I'd expect that nearly anything you hear anyone promote
> about one of those three applies to all of them, these days.
>

Re: memex on a stick?

begin Tony Godshall quotation of Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:02:49AM -0700:

> If you are going off on a "which DVCS is better" topic, please change
> the Subject line or risk being accused of hijacking the thread

"Which DVCS is better" is always on topic, like "is
top-posting always a bad idea, or is it excusable
outside of Linux lists, when you have to use the
Executive email style to deal with people who can't
use their MUAs very well?"

> You seem to have a clear idea of what a memex is that many of the rest
> of us lack- could you point us to a definition that fits what you are
> talking about a little better than the one on Wikipedia?

  "A memex is a device in which an individual stores
  all his books, records, and communications, and
  which is mechanized so that it may be consulted with
  exceeding speed and flexibility. It is an enlarged
  intimate supplement to his memory."

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=jep;view=text;rgn=main;idno=3336451.0001.101

It's a repository for documents and notes, under user
control.  Instead of thinking, "oh, I read that on the
Internet somewhere, let me go back out and get it,"
you think, "I read that in connnection with a certain
project, so I'll look at my project notes and get it
and related documents."

Re: memex on a stick?

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Don Marti <dmarti <at> zgp.org> wrote:
> It's a repository for documents and notes, under user
> control.  Instead of thinking, "oh, I read that on the
> Internet somewhere, let me go back out and get it,"
> you think, "I read that in connnection with a certain
> project, so I'll look at my project notes and get it
> and related documents."

While it doesn't use VCS or anything, Zotero wants to be what you're describing:
 http://www.zotero.org/
It's oriented around traditional academic-style research, but I don't
see how it'd be limited to that (it'll happily stash arbitrary web
pages in its data store), and it has all that capture, tagging,
annotating, full-text search goodness.

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Re: memex on a stick?

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On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:30:39AM -0700, Don Marti wrote:
> ...Executive email style to deal with people who can't
> use their MUAs very well?"

That's a nice way of phrasing it.  Even rants get hackneyed after a while.

> It's a repository for documents and notes, under user
> control.  Instead of thinking, "oh, I read that on the
> Internet somewhere, let me go back out and get it,"
> you think, "I read that in connnection with a certain
> project, so I'll look at my project notes and get it
> and related documents."

Ah, rather like the automagickal hybrid of a document management system*,
mind-mapper, ticket-tracker, wiki, news-clipper and recipe database that's
been haunting my brane for decades?  R.A. MacAvoy's "Tea with the Black
Dragon" and the marvelous Memex in the Laundry novels didn't help.

> The key functionality is tagging and linking:

Tagging and linking go well with the contextual nature of wetware memory.

However, IMO, streamlined, easy capture is the most important part of an
information-retrieval system, because if you don't capture it, you lose it.

Manually tagging and linking at capture time is good (the info is fresh in
your head), but if it makes you say, "screw it", the system dies.

Automatic or computer-assisted tagging can help a lot, but at some point,