Teh Entar-Nick | 8 Jun 17:46 2006
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Laptop models/vendors?

Okay, so I know that this is pretty much your standard "help me do
market research" posting, but I'm in a bit of a bind here.

You see, I fly out to London in less than a week, and my trusty Thinkpad
T40 gave up the ghost last night.  I'm now in the market for a laptop,
and I'm thinking that this time I should get one with a decent length
warranty.

I've never spent more than $800 on a laptop before (always bought used),
and I've always been satisfied with thinkpads except for the battery
life problem (and power concerns in general).  I mostly stick with them
because I know that I can get everything but 3D acceleration going with
all free software.

Are there any other lines I should be looking into?  Fancy intel chipset
models that are soon to be supported head-to-toe by some loopy code drop
or something?  

And are there any reputable vendors I should look at that can either
ship to me before Tuesday or that I can walk into a store in the SF Bay
Area and pick one up?  

	Barring that, got a used thinkpad to sell?

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Teh Entar-Nick | 12 Jun 19:44 2006
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Re: Laptop models/vendors?

Teh Entar-Nick:
> Okay, so I know that this is pretty much your standard "help me do
> market research" posting, but I'm in a bit of a bind here.

And it seems my mail hit some sort of quarantine, though I fully
expected to get some sort of rejection notice.  In the meantime I just
punted and bought a used T43.

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Don Marti | 12 Jun 20:03 2006

Re: Prior Art department: music player

Here's a tool that seems to do just that.

  http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2hide/
  http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/06/06/2044239
  http://lwn.net/Articles/187169/

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Don Marti | 12 Jun 20:02 2006

Qrunner is back.

I killed my mailman qrunner (may have been a result
of filling up /var; still need to check).

Qrunner is back.  So if you get some old messages
from this list that's why.

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Ben Finney | 13 Jun 01:27 2006
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I agreed not to help you, can you help me? (was: Dapper Drake (6.06) amd64, XGL/Compiz)

On 30-May-2006, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> [request for help on nvidia non-free drivers, in combination with
> other software]

This is linux-elitists. I can think of few *worse* places to ask for
information (except in the negative) on running non-free drivers.

    <URL:http://zgp.org/~dmarti/blosxom/freedom/help-for-nonfree.html>

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Eugen Leitl | 13 Jun 11:07 2006

Re: I agreed not to help you, can you help me? (was: Dapper Drake (6.06) amd64, XGL/Compiz)

On Tue, Jun 13, 2006 at 09:27:32AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:

> This is linux-elitists. I can think of few *worse* places to ask for
> information (except in the negative) on running non-free drivers.

Which part of "XGL/Compiz on Dapper Drake" you don't understand?

(And are you expecting me, to somehow, feeling guilty for running
packaged stuff from livna because I need to get a job done which
I can't get with open source drivers? Or are you, judging from your
selective citation, just trolling? And are you expecting me to care?) 

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Ben Finney | 13 Jun 12:40 2006
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Re: I agreed not to help you, can you help me?

On 13-Jun-2006, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2006 at 09:27:32AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> > This is linux-elitists. I can think of few *worse* places to ask
> > for information (except in the negative) on running non-free
> > drivers.
> 
> Which part of "XGL/Compiz on Dapper Drake" you don't understand?

I understand that you're asking for people to assist you (by providing
information) regarding non-free drivers in combination with free
software.

> (And are you expecting me, to somehow, feeling guilty for running
> packaged stuff from livna

I'm explaining why your request is in poor taste.

Perhaps you didn't read the link I provided.

    <URL:zgp.org/~dmarti/blosxom/freedom/help-for-nonfree.html>

Consider:

You're using non-free software which requires you enter a contract
with its vendor not to help others in regard to that software. Your
choice, though I'd prefer you didn't.

You're now asking for assistance with that software from the very
people you've agreed to avoid helping.

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Eugen Leitl | 13 Jun 12:48 2006

Re: I agreed not to help you, can you help me?

On Tue, Jun 13, 2006 at 08:40:58PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:

> You're using non-free software which requires you enter a contract

How is Compiz/XGL non-free software?

> with its vendor not to help others in regard to that software. Your
> choice, though I'd prefer you didn't.

Sorry, haven't seen any contract. Maybe you should ask the livna
guys about any contracts. Not that any EULAs are legally binding, mark.

> You're now asking for assistance with that software from the very
> people you've agreed to avoid helping.

I hereby declare to not seek assistance from you personally. Thanks.

> This is fairly galling, and my answer, at least, is "no", as explained
> by the above link. I can't speak for others on this list, but given
> its charter I can't imagine many here take kindly to requests for
> assistance under these conditions.

Oh, cry me a river.

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Andy Smith | 13 Jun 13:04 2006
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Re: I agreed not to help you, can you help me?

On Tue, Jun 13, 2006 at 12:48:24PM +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2006 at 08:40:58PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> 
> > You're using non-free software which requires you enter a contract
> 
> How is Compiz/XGL non-free software?

You know exactly what he is referring to, so why waste everyone's
time pretending you don't?

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Eugen Leitl | 13 Jun 13:44 2006

Re: I agreed not to help you, can you help me?

On Tue, Jun 13, 2006 at 11:04:25AM +0000, Andy Smith wrote:

> > How is Compiz/XGL non-free software?
> 
> You know exactly what he is referring to, so why waste everyone's

I can be a perfect schmuck too, you know. Treat me like one, and
I will live up to your expectations.

> time pretending you don't?

And you both are not wasting our time, with this pointless juveline banter?

http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/compiz/COPYING.GPL?view=annotate

http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/xorg/hw/xgl/?only_with_tag=xgl-0-0-1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Linux

Again, if you don't have anything constructive to add: just don't.

So I repeat my question: is anyone here running XGL/Compiz on Dapper Drake,
x86_64? Dual-head xinerama 1280x1024 on an nVidia, especially?

a) does it run?
b) does it suck?
c) if it does suck, how?

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