Free HAL for Atheros on Linux?

Reyk Floeter <reyk <at> vantronix.net> has done a Free
replacement for the Atheros "send your /dev/random
state to Dr. Evil" layer, for OpenBSD.

  http://team.vantronix.net/ar5k/

  http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/ic/ar5xxx.h?rev=1.11

Anyone using it on Linux?  Or should I just plan
to put OpenBSD on anything with an Atheros chipset
and STFU?

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Re: Free HAL for Atheros on Linux?

on Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 11:19:30AM -0700, Don Marti (dmarti <at> zgp.org) wrote:
> Reyk Floeter <reyk <at> vantronix.net> has done a Free
> replacement for the Atheros "send your /dev/random
> state to Dr. Evil" layer, for OpenBSD.
> 
>   http://team.vantronix.net/ar5k/
> 
>   http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/ic/ar5xxx.h?rev=1.11
> 
> Anyone using it on Linux?  Or should I just plan
> to put OpenBSD on anything with an Atheros chipset
> and STFU?

Sorry, Don, but what's the context / significance of this?

Peace.

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Re: Free HAL for Atheros on Linux?

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 11:19:30AM -0700, Don Marti wrote:
> Reyk Floeter <reyk <at> vantronix.net> has done a Free
> replacement for the Atheros "send your /dev/random
> state to Dr. Evil" layer, for OpenBSD.
> 
>   http://team.vantronix.net/ar5k/
> 
>   http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/ic/ar5xxx.h?rev=1.11
> 
> Anyone using it on Linux?  Or should I just plan
> to put OpenBSD on anything with an Atheros chipset
> and STFU?

No, you can port the thing.  The -mm kernel tree finally has a sane
wireless core so Linux will slowly start to catch up and get more
wireless support over the upcoming months.  Main problem is, we need
more developers.  See:
	http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.12-rc5/2.6.12-rc5-mm2/broken-out/git-netdev-we18-ieee80211-wifi.patch
for proof...

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[jim <at> netgate.com: Re: Free HAL for Atheros on Linux?]

----- Forwarded message from Jim Thompson <jim <at> netgate.com> -----

Its not free, its a rip-off, (read copyright infringement) and I can  
prove it (we're an atheros licensee), but I've been asked by Atheros
to keep it mum for now.

Moreover, it doesn't work as well as you might hope.

I believe they have plans to sue someone's customer who ends up using  
it in a product.

Feel free to copy this back to l-e, but I'm currently in Mail.app,  
(so it wouldn't go), and Atheros has asked me to STFU for now.

jim

----- End forwarded message -----

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Saturday 4 June 2005 RemixHotel: Chuck D, Siva V, Colin M, Michael C, Rose M H, and Atossa K

<blockquote
  what="official RemixHotel announcement">

 Subject: Panel with Chuck D, Siva, and more!: Whose Sound Is It Anyway? (Saturday June 4th, 3pm)

 Saturday June 4th
 3:30 p.m. Panel: Whose Sound Is It Anyway?

 Get inside info about how copyright laws, file sharing
 and digital distribution affect today's musician.
 Experts discuss how digital technologies are changing
 the face of music and how you can protect and make the
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 laws, intellectual property, Creative Commons and
 more.

 Moderator: TBA

 Panelists: Michael Closter, publisher and
 president/CEO of Reach Global, Inc.; Rose Meade Hart,
 copyright and trademark attorney (Mary J. Blige, MC
 Lyte, Frank Sinatra, Shaggy); Atossa Kia, copyright
 and trademark attorney (formal counsel for Sony Music
 Entertainment); Colin Mutchler, director of
 activefreemedia.org, Creative Commons advocate,
 musician and media artist; Hank Shocklee, music
 industry executive, producer and Public Enemy founder;
 Siva Vaidhyanathan, media scholar, historian and
 author (Anarchist in the Library, Copyrights,
 Copywrongs)

[dave <at> farber.net: [IP] more on next obvious question]

I presume by now everybody heard -- what's your thoughts on impact for open
source *nixes?

----- Forwarded message from David Farber <dave <at> farber.net> -----

From: David Farber <dave <at> farber.net>
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:01:00 -0400
To: Ip ip <ip <at> v2.listbox.com>
Subject: [IP] more on  next obvious question
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730)
Reply-To: dave <at> farber.net

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Jonathan S. Shapiro" <shap <at> eros-os.org>
Date: June 6, 2005 4:11:44 PM EDT
To: dave <at> farber.net
Cc: Ip ip <ip <at> v2.listbox.com>
Subject: Re: [IP] next obvious question

On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 15:31 -0400, David Farber wrote:

>What will Apple do to stop me from using the Apple enviroment on  say
>a  ultralight Sony [or similar].
>

The developer kit released today is based on the Pentium 4. Until this
was clear we didn't know *which* Intel processor was under discussion.

Re: [dave <at> farber.net: [IP] more on next obvious question]

On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 09:08 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> I presume by now everybody heard -- what's your thoughts on impact for open
> source *nixes?
> 
> ----- Forwarded message from David Farber <dave <at> farber.net> -----
> 
[...]
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "Jonathan S. Shapiro" <shap <at> eros-os.org>
[...]
> 
> On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 15:31 -0400, David Farber wrote:
> 
> >What will Apple do to stop me from using the Apple enviroment on  say
> >a  ultralight Sony [or similar].
> >
> 
> The developer kit released today is based on the Pentium 4. Until this
> was clear we didn't know *which* Intel processor was under discussion.
> 
> Here are the technical impediments to running OS X on generic PC's:
> 
> 1. Drivers. Hundreds of thousands of drivers.
> 2. Application binary compatibility.
> 
> The second one we have already discussed, so let me address the first:
> 
> 1. Apple selects the devices that it wishes to support in a first-class
> way. I.e. the ones that exist on apple machines.

Re: [dave <at> farber.net: [IP] more on next obvious question]

On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 09:08:45AM +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> 2. *If* apple wants to support the OS on third-party machines, they make
> interfaces available that enable third-party drivers, such as the
> existing Linux drivers, to be ported to their OS. The existing OS is
> BSD-based. It would be very feasible to add a binary module loading
> interface that would allow existing linux drivers to be executed
> **without raising any licensing problems.**

It's illegal to put GPL drivers into a BSD kernel, hence, this isn't an
option.

> If I wanted to *prevent* this behavior, it's very very easy. I take
> advantage of the DRM technology on the latest generation of Pentiums to
> ensure that the OS only runs successfully on machines shipped by Apple.

Based on the quality of the current set of patches floating around for
Linux to support the Intel DRM, I really don't think we have much to
worry about...

thanks,

greg k-h
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Re: [dave <at> farber.net: [IP] more on next obvious question]

begin Eugen Leitl quotation of Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 09:08:45AM +0200:

> I presume by now everybody heard -- what's your thoughts on impact for open
> source *nixes?

Terra Soft has a big opportunity here.
  http://lwn.net/Articles/138807/

IBM recommends Terra Soft's products -- Apple
hardware with Linux installed -- for Linux on Power
development.

  "If you are interested in a low-cost 64-bit
  POWER-based developer workstation, IBM Business
  Partners such as Terra Soft Solutions, Inc.
  provide workstation solutions to the Linux
  development community."

  http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/power/

In the near future, instead of taking a stock Mac
and putting Linux on it, they're going to have to
build something.

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Re: [dave <at> farber.net: [IP] more on next obvious question]

<quote who="Eugen Leitl">

> I presume by now everybody heard -- what's your thoughts on impact for
> open source *nixes?

I'd be way more concerned if they chose to target a generic x86 platform,
rather than their own proprietary hardware. So now they have another huge
migration hurdle (they handle these well, but they're still painful), and
still won't compete with generic hardware price points.

Fine by me. 

- Jeff

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