Re: Re: [RANT] Debian the Elitist Distribution?

On 15 Feb 2004, Rick Moen <rick <at> linuxmafia.com> wrote:
> Quoting Martin Pool (mbp <at> samba.org):
> 
> > A better example would be that Debian don't ship GNU FDL'd
> > documentation....
> 
> I'm not aware of any such move, and would be very surprised if it were
> true.  To my knowledge, all that's been even discussed is segregating
> _out_ the non-free FDL-licensed documentation and putting it in the
> non-free package collection, rather than in the main one.

I stand corrected.  It can be in non-free, and so while Debian do
distribute it, it is not part of Debian.

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Re: Re: [RANT] Debian the Elitist Distribution?

Quoting Martin Pool (mbp <at> samba.org):

> I stand corrected.  It can be in non-free, and so while Debian do
> distribute it, it is not part of Debian.

Unless some new decision has been made that I'm not aware of, GFDLed
documentation is still in the main branch -- including GDFLed
docs containing invariant sections[1].   The most recent decision I'm
aware of was the sarge Release Coordinator's decision (AJ Towns's) that
bugs based on presence of such software would _not_ be considered
release-critical.  Basically, the issue has been deferred until after
sarge (by request of DPL Martin Michlmayr to AJ and others).

[1] Such as, oh, glibc, I think.

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Re: hard to find RMS interviews

Raghavendra, thanks for the post, but note that elitists take the few
moments necessary with vim/emacs to reflow text such that it's easily
readable.

on Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 01:41:07PM +0530, Raghavendra Bhat (ragu <at> asianetonline.net) wrote:
> Steffen Beyer posts:
> 
> > $ nc puggy.symonds.net http
> > puggy.symonds.net [66.92.42.136] 80 (www) : Connection refused
> >
> > Got mirror?
> 
> Try again, it is up and working!  Anyway ....
> 
> 
>                             A Q&A session with Richard M. Stallman.
> 
>                                         January 23, 2004
>    RMS' answers to questions put forward by Samuel Abraham of `The Week'. 
> 
>    These questions were mailed to RMS and he patiently answered them in
>    great detail. He was asked these questions after his talk at the
>    CUSAT campus in Kochi, January 23. 
> 
> 
>     1. What is your philosophy in life? What shaped it? Any single
>     event,person, book? Or was it evolutionary?
> 
>        I can't describe my philosophy of life in a nutshell because I do
>        not follow any particular system or leader. We should be on guard

Re: Postfix anti-antivirus (was Re: procmail recipe for mydoom?)

* Jeff Waugh <jdub <at> perkypants.org> [2004-02-11 16:00+1100]
> <quote who="Jim Richardson">
> 
> > How do you differentiate between say, Spamassassin, and the various qmail-
> > bits? are they not also "external processes" to the smtp conversation? 
> 
> Because the *smtpd process (in qmail and postfix speak) pulls in the mail
> and puts it in the queue for processing. ie, it puts it *on the disk*. If
> you're analysing mail during the SMTP transaction, you can't. Well, you
> could, but no one does. If something goes wrong, the MTA has to figure it
> out and send a failure message or do something sane. That can be incredibly
> hard to do right.

The other night perl was autoupgraded on my debian sarge boxes,
and for some reason spamd stopped working until I did an
/etc/init.d/spamassassin restart manually.

I was just playing around with my exim config and happened to
notice a few thousand entries in /var/log/exim4/paniclog like:

    2004-03-01 03:33:23 1AxirO-0007Eg-Tp spam acl condition:
    cannot parse spamd output

and checking the queue on my backup MX, it had a few hundred of these:

    (host mr-burns.impressive.net[64.26.156.13] said: 451 Temporary
    local problem - please try later)

So, even though spamassassin was completely hosed, exim did the
right thing and tempfailed my mail, and the world didn't end.

Debian on IDE flash

A few days ago I got a 10 EUR IDE to CF adapter (PC Engines GmbH, a Swiss
company), and on a lark installed Debian 3.0r2 on it. A minimal install 
fit very well on a 256 MByte CF card. Unfortunately, there wasn't enough 
space to switch to unstable/testing, and upgrade to 2.4 or 2.6 kernel family.

I also flopped around with Flonix, but documentation for USB flash stick
install isn't readily available (the archives are largely in French), so I
gave up on them at some point. (The CDROM version choked on my Radeon, perhaps
I shall try another box).

Apart from fli4l (which is router-centric) there doesn't seem to be a
flash-oriented Linux distro with more or less recent kernels (2.4; 2.6) and
minimal server functionality (NFS, ssh, http, SMB-CIFS, etc), right?

Perhaps I've missed it (I've googled, and read up on Rick's diverse pages),
so I'd be thankful for any suggestions.

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Re: Debian on IDE flash

On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 04:36, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> Perhaps I've missed it (I've googled, and read up on Rick's diverse
> pages), so I'd be thankful for any suggestions.

I took a look through:

        http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/

And nothing stuck out at me.  In fact, I was amazed at how many
"minimal" Linux distributions there are, but how bad their home pages
were as far as telling me what was *really* in them (no kernel versions
listed at all on some).

I recently ordered several IDE to CF adapters from:

        http://www.mach5products.com/

They haven't arrived yet, but I was already starting to try to figure
out how to best get started.  I have a bit of a RH bias, but even a
minimal Fedora distro isn't going to help much without major trimming. 
I may still do that, but I'm open to alternatives.

I have several planned projects each using independent Linux machines
with no moving parts (well, other than a fan, perhaps).  The first is a
streaming audio server that'll take sound off a sound card input and
stream it in MP3 via the web in realtime.  Think baby monitor.  :)  The
second will be a router that also does some security functions for a
vacation house (uploads pics at some frequency to a remote location with
a few other tricks thrown in, perhaps).  The third is a bit more
ambitious, but I'd like to build an asterisk "slave" server for small

Re: hard to find RMS interviews

Karsten M. Self posts:

> note that  elitists take the  few moments necessary with  vim/emacs to
> reflow text such that it's easily readable

My  bad!   I am  really  sorry  and regret  to  have  caused trouble  or
inconvenience by not wrapping text.  I too use emacs and this point just
did not occur to me.  I am really sorry guys .... 

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Re: Debian on IDE flash

Eugen Leitl <eugen <at> leitl.org> [01 Mar 2004 10:03 +0100]:

> A few days ago I got a 10 EUR IDE to CF adapter (PC Engines GmbH, a Swiss
> company), and on a lark installed Debian 3.0r2 on it. A minimal install 
> fit very well on a 256 MByte CF card. Unfortunately, there wasn't enough 
> space to switch to unstable/testing, and upgrade to 2.4 or 2.6 kernel family.

> Apart from fli4l (which is router-centric) there doesn't seem to be a
> flash-oriented Linux distro with more or less recent kernels (2.4; 2.6) and
> minimal server functionality (NFS, ssh, http, SMB-CIFS, etc), right?

  No need to upgrade the kernel - you can install Debian 3.0r2 with the 
2.4 kernel.

  I don't do a lot of installs, but they tell me over in #debian on
freenode that the base install takes up about 150 MB.  That should
almost leave you enough breathing space to upgrade to unstable a few 
packages at a time.

  Geordie.
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Re: Debian on IDE flash

Eugen Leitl <eugen <at> leitl.org> writes:

> A few days ago I got a 10 EUR IDE to CF adapter (PC Engines GmbH, a Swiss
> company), and on a lark installed Debian 3.0r2 on it. A minimal install 
> fit very well on a 256 MByte CF card. Unfortunately, there wasn't enough 
> space to switch to unstable/testing, and upgrade to 2.4 or 2.6 kernel family.
>
> I also flopped around with Flonix, but documentation for USB flash stick
> install isn't readily available (the archives are largely in French), so I
> gave up on them at some point. (The CDROM version choked on my Radeon, perhaps
> I shall try another box).
>
> Apart from fli4l (which is router-centric) there doesn't seem to be a
> flash-oriented Linux distro with more or less recent kernels (2.4; 2.6) and
> minimal server functionality (NFS, ssh, http, SMB-CIFS, etc), right?
>
> Perhaps I've missed it (I've googled, and read up on Rick's diverse pages),
> so I'd be thankful for any suggestions.

Did you check out Pebble ("http://www.nycwireless.net/pebble/")?

>From the README:
> This is a somewhat minimal (more than 16 megs, less than 400 megs,
> designed to fit on a 128 meg CF card) Debian stripped distro aimed for
> use in wireless embedded devices.  It's biggest advantage is that it
> mounts read-only.  You don't have to worry as much about wearing down
> the compact flash, and you don't have to worry about doing proper
> shutdowns.  Unplug and plug in as much as you want.

Kernel is 2.4.22.