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Sean Neakums | 3 Sep 2002 16:46

Fwd: [vorbis] tremor relicensed as BSD

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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 06:54:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jonathan Ingram <jonathan_ingram <at> yahoo.com>
Subject: [vorbis] tremor relicensed as BSD
To: vorbis <at> xiph.org

I thought this might be interesting to the people outside those on the Vorbis
development mailing list:

http://www.xiph.org/archives/vorbis-dev/200209/0007.html

From: rillian (rillian <at> telus.net)
Date: Tue 03 Sep 2002 - 09:24:48 EDT 
> For those of you not of the commit mailing list, I wanted to point out 
> that monty has checked the fixed-point 'tremor' vorbis decoder into 
> xiph.org cvs, under the usual (free) xiph license. This was developed 
> for use in embedded devices, so if you've been waiting for an 
> integer-only (no fpu) implementation, you might want to give it a try. 
>
> The code is in the 'Tremor' cvs module. As usual, nightly snapshots are 
> available at http://xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/download/. There's also a new 
> mailing list 'tremor <at> xiph.org'. 

The news is also mentioned on the Xiph.org homepage.

Hardware companies how have one less excuse for implementing Vorbis in
their products.

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Seth David Schoen | 5 Sep 2002 00:03

Tuesday is DRM Day

I understand that next Tuesday (the 10th) is "DRM Day" at Seybold.

Robin Gross is on a panel

http://education.key3media.com:8080/seyboldseminars/sf2002/education/FMPro?-DB=k3sessions.fp5&-lay=webform&-format=session_detail.html&Session_ID=2959&-Find

and I think there's a lot of other DRM stuff that day.  (I'm not
going, though.)

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Ben Finney | 5 Sep 2002 10:34
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Re: Fwd: [vorbis] tremor relicensed as BSD

On Tue, 03 Sep 2002 15:46:16 +0100, Sean Neakums <sneakums <at> zork.net> wrote:
> Hardware companies how have one less excuse for implementing Vorbis in
> their products.

Now they only have the excuse of "We don't actually employ anyone in
engineering anymore, and have no money to put into making new chips if
we did".

Sadly, I don't expect hardware companies to start making Ogg-enabled
players until they shift their stock of MP3 players that nobody's
buying.  To which I say "tough titty, you should have made 'em
user-expandable then I could buy one and add Ogg support myself".

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Sean Neakums | 5 Sep 2002 10:41

Re: Fwd: [vorbis] tremor relicensed as BSD

commence  Ben Finney quotation:

> On Tue, 03 Sep 2002 15:46:16 +0100, Sean Neakums <sneakums <at> zork.net> wrote:
>> Hardware companies how have one less excuse for implementing Vorbis in
>> their products.

I didn't say that; it was part of the message I forwarded.

> Now they only have the excuse of "We don't actually employ anyone in
> engineering anymore, and have no money to put into making new chips
> if we did".
>
> Sadly, I don't expect hardware companies to start making Ogg-enabled
> players until they shift their stock of MP3 players that nobody's
> buying.  To which I say "tough titty, you should have made 'em
> user-expandable then I could buy one and add Ogg support myself".

Most MP3 players seem to use commodity decoder chips rather than
software running on a general-purpose CPU.  I expect that a commodity
Vorbis decoder chip is required before we will see decently-priced
Vorbis-capable players.

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Eugen Leitl | 5 Sep 2002 10:44

Re: Fwd: [vorbis] tremor relicensed as BSD

On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Sean Neakums wrote:

> Most MP3 players seem to use commodity decoder chips rather than
> software running on a general-purpose CPU.  I expect that a commodity
> Vorbis decoder chip is required before we will see decently-priced
> Vorbis-capable players.

There's some ultra-low power cheap DSPs TI makes which are programmable, 
yet cheap in quantities.
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Peter Gutmann | 5 Sep 2002 11:21
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Re: Fwd: [vorbis] tremor relicensed as BSD

Eugen Leitl <eugen <at> leitl.org> writes:
>On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Sean Neakums wrote:
>>Most MP3 players seem to use commodity decoder chips rather than
>>software running on a general-purpose CPU.  I expect that a commodity
>>Vorbis decoder chip is required before we will see decently-priced
>>Vorbis-capable players.
>
>There's some ultra-low power cheap DSPs TI makes which are programmable, yet
>cheap in quantities.

Uhh, TI?  There's the MSP430 series which are very cheap and low-power but not
DSPs, and then there's the C5000's which aren't very cheap or low-power (100mW
and US$40-50, probably cheaper in quantity).  An ADSP-21x would be a better
bet, but anything like that is still a suboptimal solution compared to an ASIC.

Peter.
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Marc MERLIN | 5 Sep 2002 19:47

Re: Fwd: [vorbis] tremor relicensed as BSD

On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 03:46:16PM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote:
> Date: Tue 03 Sep 2002 - 09:24:48 EDT 
> > For those of you not of the commit mailing list, I wanted to point out 
> > that monty has checked the fixed-point 'tremor' vorbis decoder into 
> > xiph.org cvs, under the usual (free) xiph license. This was developed 
> > for use in embedded devices, so if you've been waiting for an 
> > integer-only (no fpu) implementation, you might want to give it a try. 
> >
> > The code is in the 'Tremor' cvs module. As usual, nightly snapshots are 
> > available at http://xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/download/. There's also a new 
> > mailing list 'tremor <at> xiph.org'. 
> 
> The news is also mentioned on the Xiph.org homepage.

Have you made your paypal donation to Xiph for their work (yeah, I hate
paypal, but I was too lazy to send a check) ?

Marc
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Sean Neakums | 6 Sep 2002 09:59

Re: Fwd: [vorbis] tremor relicensed as BSD

commence  Marc MERLIN quotation:

> On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 03:46:16PM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote:
>> Date: Tue 03 Sep 2002 - 09:24:48 EDT 
>> > For those of you not of the commit mailing list, I wanted to point out 
>> > that monty has checked the fixed-point 'tremor' vorbis decoder into 
>> > xiph.org cvs, under the usual (free) xiph license. This was developed 
>> > for use in embedded devices, so if you've been waiting for an 
>> > integer-only (no fpu) implementation, you might want to give it a try. 
>> >
>> > The code is in the 'Tremor' cvs module. As usual, nightly snapshots are 
>> > available at http://xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/download/. There's also a new 
>> > mailing list 'tremor <at> xiph.org'. 
>> 
>> The news is also mentioned on the Xiph.org homepage.
>
> Have you made your paypal donation to Xiph for their work (yeah, I hate
> paypal, but I was too lazy to send a check) ?

Uh, who are you asking?  Me, or the guy whose message you mistakenly
attributed to me?

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Marc MERLIN | 6 Sep 2002 19:18

Re: Fwd: [vorbis] tremor relicensed as BSD

On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 08:59:28AM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote:
> > Have you made your paypal donation to Xiph for their work (yeah, I hate
> > paypal, but I was too lazy to send a check) ?
> 
> Uh, who are you asking?  Me, or the guy whose message you mistakenly
> attributed to me?

Everyone on this list who cares about Ogg Vorbis

Marc
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Sean Neakums | 6 Sep 2002 19:46

Re: Fwd: [vorbis] tremor relicensed as BSD

commence  Marc MERLIN quotation:

> On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 08:59:28AM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote:
>> > Have you made your paypal donation to Xiph for their work (yeah,
>> > I hate paypal, but I was too lazy to send a check) ?
>> 
>> Uh, who are you asking?  Me, or the guy whose message you
>> mistakenly attributed to me?
>
> Everyone on this list who cares about Ogg Vorbis

OK.

I have not made any such donation.

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