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Ruben Safir | 3 Feb 2002 04:07

Fallout of LWE - Things we need to follow up on

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On 2002.02.02 21:47:19 -0500 Ruben Safir wrote:

Hello guys

We made some contacts at the Expo which will help us extend some of
the goals of our with NYLXS.  Cheif among these contacts was one I made
through the good graces of Don Marti with Sun Micro Systems and their
Open Office software initiative.

One of the things preventing Desktop adoption of Linux and free software
is the inadequacy of, not only office suites, but other necesary desktop
applications.  In the case of Open Office, which is an open version of
Star Office, the software is probibly very usable, however this is not
enough.  And Sun is working hard to get documentation of the suite
to be bundled with the products.   But even this is not adequate, and
I'm not convinced that Sun can usher this produce through to the 
market without some help.  What's really needed is for the product
to be distributed with a few hundred working examples for macro and
programming templates which address real business application
problems. 

This is my first call to Sun us at NYLXS to form a partnership in filling out
open office, so that it is every bit as usable as Microsoft Office.  And THEN
we need to start training classes to train users on the system, as we 
currently do for Perl, and web services.

In a word, this might be our first step in our Desktop initiative.
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Ruben Safir | 3 Feb 2002 05:26

ANNOUNCEMENT: We're going to Washington. Meeting announcement

NY Fairusers

We are being called to Washington DC by Congressman Weiners office.

We are meeting on Tuesday at the Killarny Rose at 6:30 to talk about
arraignments for the trip, and the time and place.

This is a VERY IMPORTANT MEETING.

Please Make It.

Ruben

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Ruben Safir | 3 Feb 2002 06:21

Fwd: [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments [ruben <at> mrbrklyn.com]

On 2002.02.03 00:15:02 -0500 Ruben I Safir wrote:

ANNOUNCEMENT: Linux Expo
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Linux Expo is here NYLXS has an active Booth, come by and enjoy!!

ANNOUNCEMENT: Linux 1 Registration
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Class is filling up for Linux One Registration. See
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/nylinux/classes/current_class.html for Syllibus
and Registration Info. Checks to NYLXS must be in to assure your place in
the class.

ANNOUNCEMENT: Perl 1 Class
_______________________________________________________________________________
NYLXS is Presenting it's second Perl 1 Programming Class. 

The Class is being held in Midtown Manhattan at 19 west 44th street and starts
Thursday February 7th, 2002. and runs 5 weeks from 5:30 - 10:00PM. The Cost is
$200.00. 

Checks can be dropped off at Rosensweig and Maffia, 845 3rd Ave,NY on the 13th
Floor, or send to 

Brooklyn Linux Solutions 1600 East 17th Street Brooklyn, NY 11230 

The class starts out assuming the student knows nothing, and finishes with a
mastrery of Objects in Perl. 

This class fills up quickly, so register now.
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Aaron Lehmann | 3 Feb 2002 12:23

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: We're going to Washington. Meeting announcement

On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 11:26:54PM -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
> NY Fairusers
> 
> We are being called to Washington DC by Congressman Weiners office.S

When did linux-elitists become the NY-Fairusers list?
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Ruben Safir | 3 Feb 2002 09:27

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: We're going to Washington. Meeting announcement

It's not, just spreading good cheer

On 2002.02.03 06:23:03 -0500 Aaron Lehmann wrote:
>>On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 11:26:54PM -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
>>> NY Fairusers
>>> 
>>> We are being called to Washington DC by Congressman Weiners office.S
>>
>>When did linux-elitists become the NY-Fairusers list?
>>_______________________________________________
>>linux-elitists 
>>http://zgp.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-elitists
>>
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Karsten M. Self | 3 Feb 2002 23:08
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Re: Fallout of LWE - Things we need to follow up on

on Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 10:07 PM -0500, Ruben Safir (ruben <at> mrbrklyn.com) wrote:
> >From NYLXS
> http://www.nylxs.com
> 
> On 2002.02.02 21:47:19 -0500 Ruben Safir wrote:
> 
> Hello guys
> 
> We made some contacts at the Expo which will help us extend some of
> the goals of our with NYLXS.  Cheif among these contacts was one I
> made through the good graces of Don Marti with Sun Micro Systems and
> their Open Office software initiative.
> 
> One of the things preventing Desktop adoption of Linux and free
> software is the inadequacy of, not only office suites, but other
> necesary desktop applications.  In the case of Open Office, which is
> an open version of Star Office, the software is probibly very usable,
> however this is not enough.  And Sun is working hard to get
> documentation of the suite to be bundled with the products.   But even
> this is not adequate, and I'm not convinced that Sun can usher this
> produce through to the market without some help.  What's really needed
> is for the product to be distributed with a few hundred working
> examples for macro and programming templates which address real
> business application problems. 
> 
> This is my first call to Sun us at NYLXS to form a partnership in
> filling out open office, so that it is every bit as usable as
> Microsoft Office.  And THEN we need to start training classes to train
> users on the system, as we currently do for Perl, and web services.
>
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Rick Moen | 4 Feb 2002 02:26
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Re: Fallout of LWE - Things we need to follow up on

Quoting Karsten M. Self (kmself <at> ix.netcom.com):

[Open Office inherits from SO a severe lack of modularity, excessive 
size (especially for developers), lack of information in support docs
about whether builds are so broken they aren't worth the epic download
times, non-functional bugtracking.  OpenOffice.org cannot be reached 
for feedback at any of the standard, expect addresses.]

Karsten, this is insightful enough that it deserves greater exposure.  
Would you please write it up as either an article, a Web page, or both?

I empathise with the OpenOffice.org developer community.  They've taken 
useful steps to address this situation, starting from nothing.  But
still, when I want answers to simple questions like "What options are 
supported from the command line, and can I use OpenOffice that way as a 
document converter, without X11?", I don't even know where to start.

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Ruben Safir | 4 Feb 2002 02:37

Re: Fallout of LWE - Things we need to follow up on

It's not as important as getting templates for office workers into the distro

We're at a dead end without getting one of the office suites up to snuff in terms of usability.

OTOH, that site really sucks.  Docs are thin, mailing lists, IMO, confusing,
and no 

Download this latest stable release.

Mozilla suffers much the same problems

Ruben

On 2002.02.03 20:26:57 -0500 Rick Moen wrote:
>>Quoting Karsten M. Self (kmself <at> ix.netcom.com):
>>
>>[Open Office inherits from SO a severe lack of modularity, excessive 
>>size (especially for developers), lack of information in support docs
>>about whether builds are so broken they aren't worth the epic download
>>times, non-functional bugtracking.  OpenOffice.org cannot be reached 
>>for feedback at any of the standard, expect addresses.]
>>
>>Karsten, this is insightful enough that it deserves greater exposure.  
>>Would you please write it up as either an article, a Web page, or both?
>>
>>I empathise with the OpenOffice.org developer community.  They've taken 
>>useful steps to address this situation, starting from nothing.  But
>>still, when I want answers to simple questions like "What options are 
>>supported from the command line, and can I use OpenOffice that way as a 
>>document converter, without X11?", I don't even know where to start.
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Don Marti | 5 Feb 2002 03:32

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: We're going to Washington. Meeting announcement

begin Ruben Safir quotation of Sun, Feb 03, 2002 at 03:27:47AM -0500:

> It's not, just spreading good cheer

Here's some more, from the French Socialist Party:

  "Dans le secteur du logiciel, il appartient aux pouvoirs
  publics, en France et en Europe, de faire prévaloir les principes
  d'interopérabilité et de droit à la compatibilité et de promouvoir
  les standards ouverts, notamment dans l'administration et plus
  largement dans le secteur public, comme dans le système éducatif."

  ...

  "la brevetabilité du logiciel doit être refusée."

http://www.parti-socialiste.fr/tic/ps-tic_2002.php

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Marc MERLIN | 5 Feb 2002 03:37

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: We're going to Washington. Meeting announcement

On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 06:32:54PM -0800, Don Marti wrote:
> begin Ruben Safir quotation of Sun, Feb 03, 2002 at 03:27:47AM -0500:
> 
> > It's not, just spreading good cheer
> 
> Here's some more, from the French Socialist Party:
> 
>   "Dans le secteur du logiciel, il appartient aux pouvoirs
>   publics, en France et en Europe, de faire prévaloir les principes
>   d'interopérabilité et de droit à la compatibilité et de promouvoir
>   les standards ouverts, notamment dans l'administration et plus
>   largement dans le secteur public, comme dans le système éducatif."
> 
>   ...
> 
>   "la brevetabilité du logiciel doit être refusée."

Not that I usually like the socialist party, but I couldn't agree more.

I guess it comes in handy to know French once in a while :-)

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