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Marc MERLIN | 1 Apr 2001 01:33

Re: What is the Elite MTA?

On Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 01:15:44AM -0500, tc lewis wrote:

(35 line paragraph... how about cutting those a bit if you want people to
read you?)
> next comes your comments on his design, which i suppose is still in the
> technical realm, even if the technicalities are subjective.  well, maybe
> not.  let's examine.  "qmail's insistence that binary packages must
> install all files including libraries, binaries, and configuration files
> within /var/qmail, and the default alias database being scattered among
> myriad tiny text files inside /var/qmail/aliases, all with names starting
> with the string ".qmail-"."  afterwards, "(Nope, DJB-acolytes, I do know
> all about fastforward.  As usual, you are missing the point, that one must
> hunt down and add this as a modification and add-on to qmail proper.)".
> so i guess i won't bother by responding with "you can change it" retorts.
> unfortunately, it's a good retort for the /var/qmail argument.  "you can
> change it" is used all the time.  sendmail doesn't install its files how

DJB prevents you from changing and distributing compiled packages AFAIK, so
that's only for small values of "you can change it"

> redhat's sendmail installs its files.  a fine example of "you can change
> it" coming into play.  of course, the response at this point is "but the
> [lack of] licensing prevents me from changing it", which falls under
> non-technical arguments.  maybe it's still not easy to change some
> /var/qmail stuff beyond that.  there are some patches out there of people
> who have already done it.  that's probably not good enough for you.  i
> guess i can't blame you.  i'm not sure how easy it is to move sendmail's
> /var/spool/mqueue/ and /var/spool/mail/ directories.  i'm guessing it's
> not cake.  as for the whatever/aliases/ argument, yes, that's how qmail
> works.  sendmail works with /etc/aliases.  why should this even be an
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Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO | 1 Apr 2001 02:37

Re: What is the Elite MTA?

> 
> DJB prevents you from changing and distributing compiled packages AFAIK, so
> that's only for small values of "you can change it"
> 

So a slew of DBJ people have begun to acend the list.

The pararells because DJB advocates and cult behavior really deserves 
acute study.  Cults put forth a doctrin which can not be changed and
is considered superior to any other doctrine.  It's minions 
decend on unsuspecting targets baraging them with "fact" and 
beligerantly insisting on presenting all their facts in detail.

Free Software is just the opossite, and this is why it succeeds.
Free Software is patient.  No one has to beat anyone else over the
head with technical details because - it's open license forces
compermise between different opinions and fosters co-operation.

If you don't like something about, say the way qmail brokenly 
handles DNS entries in the mx records...we can just ALTER IT
and distribute it.  If enough people think it important,
they just will fork it if the original creater is arrogant,
abusive and controlling.

Dan's licensing and even his coding (without the use of
Standad libraries) is in every way designed to make others
dependent of him and to pay homage to him.  There is never
any ecuse to use his software.  There is always an acceptable
open sourced alternative (or two).
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Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO | 1 Apr 2001 03:16

Re: What is the Elite MTA?

> 
> The pararells because DJB advocates and cult behavior really deserves 
> 
The pararells BETWEEN DJB advocates and Cult behavior
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Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO | 1 Apr 2001 03:23

MS Office for RH

Has anyone seen an anouncment of MS Office for RH available?

Ruben
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tc lewis | 1 Apr 2001 03:21

Re: MS Office for RH

On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote:
> Has anyone seen an anouncment of MS Office for RH available?

yes.

-tcl.
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Paul J Collins | 1 Apr 2001 03:30

Re: MS Office for RH

>>>>> "tl" == tc lewis <tcl <at> bunzy.net> writes:

    tl> On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote:
    >> Has anyone seen an anouncment of MS Office for RH available?
    tl> yes.

Just what we need, more goddamn proprietary software.

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Jay Sulzberger | 1 Apr 2001 04:15
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Re: MS Office for RH


On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote:

> Has anyone seen an anouncment of MS Office for RH available?
>
> Ruben

I have heard rumors of this for some time.  Like Red Hat's breaking even
according to Generally Accepted Accounting Practices, this port, with the
new license!, comes at just the right time.

oo--JS.
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Jeff Waugh | 1 Apr 2001 04:41

Re: MS Office for RH

<quote who="Paul J Collins">

> Just what we need, more goddamn proprietary software.

*looks at watch*

Dumbarses. ;)

- Jeff

-- jdub <at> aphid.net ----------------------------- http://lazarus.aphid.net/ --

                        Great minds think different?
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tc lewis | 1 Apr 2001 04:42

Re: MS Office for RH

On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> <quote who="Paul J Collins">
> > Just what we need, more goddamn proprietary software.
>
> *looks at watch*
>
> Dumbarses. ;)

sigh.  damn you for ruining our fun.

-tcl.
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Jeff Waugh | 1 Apr 2001 04:51

Re: MS Office for RH

<quote who="tc lewis">

> sigh.  damn you for ruining our fun.

You need to put some serious work into the "convincing" element of good
April Fool's gags.

I rate you a 2. If that.

- Jeff

-- jdub <at> aphid.net ----------------------------- http://lazarus.aphid.net/ --

      We're kind of like Canada, only we hate ourselves more, and it's      
                          wetter around the edges.
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