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Adam Sampson | 1 Feb 2001 01:05
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Re: anybody using non BIND dns?

Heather <star <at> starshine.org> writes:

> There's a thread on another list I'm involved in, I'm kind of
> wondering if anybody here is using any non BIND named's.  Since I
> *don't* believe everything I read on the internet, I doubt there are
> only two competitors to it for the feature.

Well, on Unix, there are at least djbdns and dents (and possibly
Pliant's DNS server?). I'm using djbdns on my desktop machine and a
low-traffic webserver; with the exception of the license, it's a
pretty nice, minimal bit of software.

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Adam Sampson
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Justin Sher | 1 Feb 2001 02:21

Re: Oracle Corp now writes tools for MySQL

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 Eugene.Leitl <at> lrz.uni-muenchen.de wrote:

> Ruben I Safir - Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote:
> > 
> > I'm sure moving mysql files into Oracle is a nagging question posed to them.
> 
> Okay, I know MySQL sucks, but how is PostgreSQL comparable to Oracle?
> I've started with a company without any Linux clue (they do have a VAX
> and two Solaris boxen, though), and I'd like to demo a decent Linux
> server, including a database.

	Postgres is pretty good as far as relational databases go, it's
much faster than Mysql and supports row-level locking and transactions.
It's blob handling sucks though and has some leaks in it which I had to
work around.  This should be fixed in the next version.

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Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO | 1 Feb 2001 04:46

Re: Oracle Corp now writes tools for MySQL

BTW

I disagree that MYSQL sucks.
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Eugene.Leitl | 1 Feb 2001 07:25
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Re: Oracle Corp now writes tools for MySQL

Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote:
> 
> BTW
> 
> I disagree that MYSQL sucks.

Well, I've asked three database professionals, and all
three told me the same story.
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Jeff Waugh | 1 Feb 2001 07:36

Re: Oracle Corp now writes tools for MySQL

<quote who="Eugene.Leitl <at> lrz.uni-muenchen.de">

> Well, I've asked three database professionals, and all
> three told me the same story.

MySQL sucks, but not because 'three database professionals' told you so.

- Jeff

-- jdub <at> aphid.net --------------------------------- http://linux.conf.au/ --

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Rusty Foster | 1 Feb 2001 05:01
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Re: Oracle Corp now writes tools for MySQL

Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> <quote who="Eugene.Leitl <at> lrz.uni-muenchen.de">
> 
> > Well, I've asked three database professionals, and all
> > three told me the same story.
> 
> MySQL sucks, but not because 'three database professionals' told you so.
> 

Actually, it sucks because the Sucks-Rules-O-Meter told you so: 

http://images.kuro5hin.org/dbsucks.html

Those results are from Google BTW. Alta Vista, Don? What were you
thinking?

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hirsch | 1 Feb 2001 15:30

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Justin Sher writes:
 > On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 Eugene.Leitl <at> lrz.uni-muenchen.de wrote:
 > 
 > > Ruben I Safir - Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote:
 > > > 
 > > > I'm sure moving mysql files into Oracle is a nagging question posed to them.
 > > 
 > > Okay, I know MySQL sucks, but how is PostgreSQL comparable to Oracle?
 > > I've started with a company without any Linux clue (they do have a VAX
 > > and two Solaris boxen, though), and I'd like to demo a decent Linux
 > > server, including a database.
 > 
 > 	Postgres is pretty good as far as relational databases go, it's
 > much faster than Mysql and supports row-level locking and transactions.
 > It's blob handling sucks though and has some leaks in it which I had to
 > work around.  This should be fixed in the next version.

It isn't faster in my experience.  My impression is that it is a lot
faster if you need to do a lot of transactions.  If you are prepared
to not use transactions MySQL beats the pants on any db I've tested.

--Michael
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Justin Sher | 1 Feb 2001 20:37

Re: (no subject)

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 hirsch <at> zapmedia.com wrote:

> Justin Sher writes:
>  > On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 Eugene.Leitl <at> lrz.uni-muenchen.de wrote:
>  > 
>  > > Ruben I Safir - Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote:
>  > > > 
>  > > > I'm sure moving mysql files into Oracle is a nagging question posed to them.
>  > > 
>  > > Okay, I know MySQL sucks, but how is PostgreSQL comparable to Oracle?
>  > > I've started with a company without any Linux clue (they do have a VAX
>  > > and two Solaris boxen, though), and I'd like to demo a decent Linux
>  > > server, including a database.
>  > 
>  > 	Postgres is pretty good as far as relational databases go, it's
>  > much faster than Mysql and supports row-level locking and transactions.
>  > It's blob handling sucks though and has some leaks in it which I had to
>  > work around.  This should be fixed in the next version.
> 
> It isn't faster in my experience.  My impression is that it is a lot
> faster if you need to do a lot of transactions.  If you are prepared
> to not use transactions MySQL beats the pants on any db I've tested.
> 

Let's check the slashdot archives...  I have personally built several
commercial high volume web applications using mysql, postgres and
oracle.  

Mysql: Simple to use and get started, very forgiving as to what kind of
SQL it lets you put in it (I.E Group by behavior is kind of screwy) table
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Emanuel Pirker | 1 Feb 2001 21:04
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Re: anybody using non BIND dns?

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Rick Moen wrote:

> begin  Steve M Bibayoff quotation:
> 
> > There is something under development called dent(?). It's still beta as 
> > far as I know. 
> 
> Dents.  http://www.dents.org/  It's still pretty rough, but promising --
> in part because of modular design, such that DNS might finally be back-ended
> into one's choice of storage.

Given BIND's current "going closed" tendency something like that might
suddenly become of great importance...

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To: bind-announce <at> isc.org
Subject: PRE-ANNOUNCEMENT: BIND-Members Forum
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:36:02 -0800
From: Paul A Vixie <Paul_Vixie <at> isc.org>
X-Approved-By: Ruth.Anne.Ladue <at> nominum.com
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ISC has historically depended upon the "bind-workers" mailing list, and
CERT advisories, to notify vendors of potential or actual security flaws
in its BIND package.  Recent events have very clearly shown that there is
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hirsch | 1 Feb 2001 21:31

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I'm not arguing with what you say.  I'm agreeing.  Once you need locks
and such MySQL is slow.  It only does full table locks, I think.

I have a single user production application on which MySQL flies and
postgres merely runs.  But if I were to build a multiuser hig volume
web production system I wouldn't use it either.

--Michael

Justin Sher writes:
 > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 hirsch <at> zapmedia.com wrote:
 > 
 > > Justin Sher writes:
 > >  > On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 Eugene.Leitl <at> lrz.uni-muenchen.de wrote:
 > >  > 
 > >  > > Ruben I Safir - Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote:
 > >  > > > 
 > >  > > > I'm sure moving mysql files into Oracle is a nagging question posed to them.
 > >  > > 
 > >  > > Okay, I know MySQL sucks, but how is PostgreSQL comparable to Oracle?
 > >  > > I've started with a company without any Linux clue (they do have a VAX
 > >  > > and two Solaris boxen, though), and I'd like to demo a decent Linux
 > >  > > server, including a database.
 > >  > 
 > >  > 	Postgres is pretty good as far as relational databases go, it's
 > >  > much faster than Mysql and supports row-level locking and transactions.
 > >  > It's blob handling sucks though and has some leaks in it which I had to
 > >  > work around.  This should be fixed in the next version.
 > > 
 > > It isn't faster in my experience.  My impression is that it is a lot
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