Adrian von Bidder | 1 Mar 08:38 2011
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Bug#615938: Improvements to the "Ports" page: non-linux & arm stuff

Package: www.debian.org
Tags: patch

Hi,

I've noticed a few issues with www.d.o/ports (these are orthogonal to the stuff discussed in #611830):

* Non-Linux ports: now that kFreeBSD is released, the "non-Linux" title 
probably should just be dropped, since "non-Linux" is not really just a sub-
category of "unreleased" anymore.

+++
diff --git a/webwml/english/ports/index.wml b/webwml/english/ports/index.wml
--- a/webwml/english/ports/index.wml
+++ b/webwml/english/ports/index.wml
 <at>  <at>  -5,7 +5,6  <at>  <at> 
  <li><a href="#intro">Introduction</a></li>
  <li><a href="#released">Released ports</a></li>
  <li><a href="#unreleased">Ports that haven't been released yet</a></li>
- <li><a href="#nonlinux">Non-Linux ports</a></li>
  <li><a href="#various">Various port-like projects</a></li>
 </ul>

 <at>  <at>  -30,9 +29,9  <at>  <at> 
 </p>
 <p>
  Debian is an operating system (OS), not a kernel (actually, it is more
- than an OS since it includes thousands of application programs).  To
- prove this, we have our first three fledgling non-Linux based ports, listed
- <a href="#nonlinux">at the bottom of this page</a>.
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ansanantony antony | 1 Mar 11:43 2011
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printing result

 

 

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team | 1 Mar 11:31 2011

debianuserforums.org - new debian support forum

Hello,

A new Debian support forum has been started.  The forum began on  
09/02/11.  The forum is a "fork" of forums.debian.net and includes  
many of the core of experienced users from that site.  We are not in  
any way affiliated with that site.

We would be very much obliged if we could get listed on this page  
under the "forums" section as "debianuserforums.org" please?   
http://www.debian.org/support#web

Site is here: http://www.debianuserforums.org

If there is anything else you need to know about our site, or if there  
is anything else we need to do/info we need to provide in order to get  
listed, please do not hesitate to ask.

Kind regards

debianuserforums.org Administration Team.

Salvo Tomaselli | 1 Mar 15:08 2011
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Bug#612772: can't open links

+1
it affects me too. I was unable to do a normal click on a related package on 
this page: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/postgresql

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Jon Dowland | 1 Mar 15:57 2011
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www.debian.org: move events/talks/ and events/speakers/ to the wiki

On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 03:33:03PM +0100, Simon Paillard wrote:
> Could you inject translations and provide infrastructure to keep them up to
> date ?

Insisting to english contributors that they should help with translations for
any wiki material is a very bad idea, imho, and constitutes a "chilling effect"
to content contributors.

I realise that there is some context and bad feeling for this particular
submission, but please consider your remark in a wider context.

If the wiki is to contain events data at all, it might as well be
comprehensive.

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Jon Dowland | 1 Mar 15:52 2011
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Re: debianuserforums.org - new debian support forum

Hi,

On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 02:31:12AM -0800, team <at> debianuserforums.org wrote:
> A new Debian support forum has been started.  The forum began on  
> 09/02/11.  The forum is a "fork" of forums.debian.net and includes many 
> of the core of experienced users from that site.  We are not in any way 
> affiliated with that site.

I am curious as to why you have forked.  Can you point me at an existing
forum or mailing list thread of web page detailing the history?

Many thanks

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Adrian von Bidder | 1 Mar 16:20 2011
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Bug#615938: ARM on the ports page

Hi,

  <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=615938>

I proposed a few improvements to the "ports" page on www.d.o, some touching 
the ARM status. Since I'm not involved with porting myself, perhaps some of 
you may want to comment.

I'm especially unsure about the armeb port - it wasn't mentioned at all in 
the d-d-a announcement, and the homepage is still alive but seems to be 
somewhat outdated.  Is it officially dead and should be dropped from the 
ports page?

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Wookey | 1 Mar 16:57 2011

Bug#615938: ARM on the ports page

+++ Adrian von Bidder [2011-03-01 16:20 +0100]:
> Hi,
> 
>   <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=615938>
> 
> I proposed a few improvements to the "ports" page on www.d.o, some touching 
> the ARM status. 

Well done - it's been old and crufty for a long time.

> Since I'm not involved with porting myself, perhaps some of 
> you may want to comment.

That should be v4t for armel, not v4. 

Make clear that 'arm' was released with Debian 2.2, (and dropped in
Debian Squeeze (5.0?) 'armel' was released with lenny (4.0?)

Perhaps add that armhf matches Ubuntu and Linaro 'arm' ports, whilst
armel in Ubuntu is not the same as armel in Debian?

> I'm especially unsure about the armeb port - it wasn't mentioned at all in 
> the d-d-a announcement, and the homepage is still alive but seems to be 
> somewhat outdated.  Is it officially dead and should be dropped from the 
> ports page?

yes ARMEB is dead. It is old-ABI, was never an official port and is no
longer of any real interest to anyone as the problem it addressed
(non-free ethernet driver on SLUG) has been fixed by other means.
If it was resurrected it would be as EABI big-endian anyway

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Hector Oron | 1 Mar 17:01 2011
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Bug#615938: Improvements to the "Ports" page: non-linux & arm stuff

Hi,

2011/3/1 Adrian von Bidder <avbidder <at> fortytwo.ch>:

> +++
> diff --git a/webwml/english/ports/index.wml b/webwml/english/ports/index.wml
> --- a/webwml/english/ports/index.wml
> +++ b/webwml/english/ports/index.wml
>  <at>  <at>  -5,7 +5,6  <at>  <at> 
>  <li><a href="#intro">Introduction</a></li>
>  <li><a href="#released">Released ports</a></li>
>  <li><a href="#unreleased">Ports that haven't been released yet</a></li>
> - <li><a href="#nonlinux">Non-Linux ports</a></li>
>  <li><a href="#various">Various port-like projects</a></li>
>  </ul>
>
>  <at>  <at>  -30,9 +29,9  <at>  <at> 
>  </p>
>  <p>
>  Debian is an operating system (OS), not a kernel (actually, it is more
> - than an OS since it includes thousands of application programs).  To
> - prove this, we have our first three fledgling non-Linux based ports, listed
> - <a href="#nonlinux">at the bottom of this page</a>.
> + than an OS since it includes thousands of application programs).  Accordingly,
> + while most Debian ports are based on Linux, there also are ports based on the
> + FreeBSD, NetBSD and Hurd kernels.
>  </p>
>  <p>
>  <em>Warning</em> &mdash; this is a page in progress.  Not all ports have
>  <at>  <at>  -176,8 +175,6  <at>  <at> 
>  Port to Atmel's 32-bit RISC architecture, AVR32.
>  </p>
>
> -<h2 id="nonlinux">Non-Linux ports</h2>
> -
>  <h3><a href="hurd/">Debian GNU/Hurd (<q>hurd-i386</q>)</a></h3>
>  <p>
>  The GNU Hurd is a totally new operating system being put together by
> +++
>
> * The ARM EABI port is actually what armel is, so:
>
> +++
> diff --git a/webwml/english/ports/index.wml b/webwml/english/ports/index.wml
> --- a/webwml/english/ports/index.wml
> +++ b/webwml/english/ports/index.wml
>  <at>  <at>  -208,14 +208,6  <at>  <at> 
>  <a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/">bazaar</a> fashion.
>  </p>
>
> -<h3><a href="http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort">ARM EABI Port</a></h3>
> -<p>
> - EABI is the new <q>Embedded</q> <acronym lang="en"
> - title="Application Binary Interface">ABI</acronym> by <a
> - href="http://arm.com/">ARM Ltd.</a>.
> - EABI is actually a family of ABIs and one of the <q>subABIs</q> is GNU EABI for Linux.
> -</p>
> -
>  <hr />
>
>  <p><strong>Disclaimer:</strong> Many of the above computer and processor
> +++
>
> * armhf is not mentioned yet:
>
> +++
> diff --git a/webwml/english/ports/index.wml b/webwml/english/ports/index.wml
> --- a/webwml/english/ports/index.wml
> +++ b/webwml/english/ports/index.wml
>  <at>  <at>  -93,7 +93,8  <at>  <at> 
>  First officially released with Debian 2.2.
>  This port runs on a variety of embedded hardware, including the NSLU2.
>  Armel is the more efficient successor for the <q>arm</q> port, which is
> - compatible with the ARM EABI.
> + compatible with the ARM EABI. These ports target machines with ARMv4 based CPU
> + and without a floating point unit.

More accurate ARMv4t. The old OABI port ('arm') supported ARMv4.

>  </p>
>
>  <h3><a href="mips/">MIPS CPUs (<q>mips</q> and <q>mipsel</q>)</a></h3>
>  <at>  <at>  -160,6 +161,15  <at>  <at> 
>  A fairly new port to Hitachi SuperH processors.
>  </p>
>
> +<h3><a href="http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort">armhf</a></h3>
> +<p>
> + A lot of modern ARM boards and devices ship with a floating-point unit (FPU),
> + but the current Debian armel port doesn't take much advantage of it. The armhf
> + port was started to improve this situation and also take advantage of other
> + features of newer ARM CPUs.  The Debian armhf port requires at least an ARMv7
> + CPU with Thumb2 and VFP3D16.
> +</p>
> +
>  <h3><a href="http://www.debonaras.org/">armeb</a></h3>
>  <p>
>  Port to big-endian ARM machines, especially to Linksys NSLU2.
> +++

I would consider `armeb' as a dead port.

> * NOTE (and no patch): arm/armel mentiones that the NSLU2 is supported,
> armeb mentiones that same machine (implying perhaps that NSLU2 was not
> supported by regular arm ports at some time?) I have no idea what the
> status of armeb is - the web page is still up, though doesn't look very
> nice and points to something apparently sarge based. Clarification would
> be nice.

There was a presentation which contains a bit of the history of Debian
ARM ports done at FOSDEM this year:
 <http://people.debian.org/~zumbi/talks/fosdem2011-arm/>

There was some binary blob (microcode) in big-endian mode to make work
 Ethernet on the NSLU2.
armeb, the big endian port was supposed to save some cycles on this
slow machines and be more friendly with that blob, but later in time
seems to be that armel was good enough and Debian+(binary blob) is
distributed a side of Debian:
 <http://www.slug-firmware.net/>

I hope it clarifies things a little more.

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Steve Langasek | 1 Mar 17:25 2011
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Bug#615938: ARM on the ports page

On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 03:57:54PM +0000, Wookey wrote:
> Perhaps add that armhf matches Ubuntu and Linaro 'arm' ports, whilst
> armel in Ubuntu is not the same as armel in Debian?

Hum, that's confusing and not true in various ways.  The Ubuntu armel port
(there is no Ubuntu 'arm' port) is binary-compatible with the Debian armel
port, it is *not* binary-compatible with the armhf port; the minimum
supported hardware for armel is different between Debian and Ubuntu, but
then, this is true of the i386 port also; and Linaro doesn't have any
"ports" as it's not a distro... :)

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