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Debian Project Secretary | 2 Apr 2006 04:50
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Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

Hi,
        At the time of writing, a couple of hours into the third (and
 final) week of the vote, we are still at a low ebb for voter
 participation, though not by a huge margin.  I do note, though, that
 more people have gone back and re-cast their ballot this year than
 previously, lending some credence to the theory that this year people
 are just taking longer to muddle through deciding on their ballot.

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 ||    |Total # of|      |Valid|Unique|Rejects|        | Multiple ||
 ||Year|Developers|Quorum|Votes|Voters|       |% Voting| of Quorum||
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 ||2002|  939     | 45.96|     | 342  |       | 36.42  |  7.44    ||
 ||2003|  831     | 43.24|     | 315  |       | 37.90  |  7.28    ||
 ||2004|  908     | 45.20| 351 | 341  |  47   | 37.55  |  7.54    ||
 ||2005|  964     | 46.57| 329 | 311  |  43   | 32.26  |  6.68    ||
 ||2006|  972     | 46.89| 234 | 227  |  25   | 23.35  |  4.84    ||
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        manoj

     Voting period starts      00:00:01 UTC on March 19th, 2006.
     Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on April  8th, 2006.

This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions contact secretary <at> debian.org.

The details of the candidate platforms can be found at:
http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/platforms/
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Manoj Srivastava | 5 Apr 2006 15:28
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Re: Getting the ballot for leader2006

On 30 Mar 2006, Ryszard Lach said:

> Hi.
>
> How to recieve a ballot for leader2006? My messages sent to
> ballot <at> vote.debian.org are bouncing ("pipe to |/bin/echo There are
> no votes in progress; false generated by ballot <at> vote.debian.org"
> ). Am I missing something?

        This has been fixed. In the future, requesting a ballot would
 require a signed email; the ballot email address gets far too much
 Spam, and the replies to the spammers, and the bounces, are
 generating way too much traffic (apart from spamming the joe job
 victims).

        manoj
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Josselin Mouette | 6 Apr 2006 09:04
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GR proposal - Restricted-media amendments to the DFSG

After the vote of GR 2006-001, we end up with an unclear situation about
the GNU Free Documentation License. While documents using this license
are considered free provided they don't use invariant sections, the DFSG
don't contain the necessary modifications. Therefore, I'm proposing the
following general resolution:

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Following the result to GR 2006-001, the following modifications will be
made to the Debian Free Software Guidelines:

At the end of DFSG #2, the following text should be added:
        "The license may restrict distribution to some kinds of media if
        it is still possible to distribute the source code and compiled
        code together on at least one machine-readable medium."

At the end of DFSG #6, the following text should be added:
        "As a special exception, the license may forbid use of
        technical measures to restrict access or use of the software
        itself."

Since this modifies the DFSG, this requires a 3:1 majority to pass.
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Andreas Barth | 6 Apr 2006 09:39

Re: GR proposal - Restricted-media amendments to the DFSG

* Josselin Mouette (joss <at> debian.org) [060406 09:05]:
> After the vote of GR 2006-001, we end up with an unclear situation about
> the GNU Free Documentation License. While documents using this license
> are considered free provided they don't use invariant sections, the DFSG
> don't contain the necessary modifications. Therefore, I'm proposing the
> following general resolution:

What's that for, now? Obviously the majority (and also the secretary)
wasn't the opinion the DFSG needs to be changed. Could you please just
accept the decision being done, and can we go back to work?

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Adeodato Simó | 6 Apr 2006 10:04
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Re: GR proposal - Restricted-media amendments to the DFSG

* Josselin Mouette [Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:04:35 +0200]:

> While documents using this license are considered free provided they
> don't use invariant sections, the DFSG don't contain the necessary
> modifications.

  Because none are needed. Amendment A would have been 3:1 otherwise.

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Sam Hocevar | 6 Apr 2006 10:26
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Re: GR proposal - Restricted-media amendments to the DFSG

On Thu, Apr 06, 2006, Andreas Barth wrote:

> What's that for, now? Obviously the majority (and also the secretary)
> wasn't the opinion the DFSG needs to be changed. Could you please just
> accept the decision being done, and can we go back to work?

   Well since obviously the majority was of the opinion that the
above two additions were compliant with the DFSG, it strikes me as
obvious that the DFSG need clarification for those who did not exactly
understand them that way. Just for consistency, you know.

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Manoj Srivastava | 6 Apr 2006 15:07
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Re: GR proposal - Restricted-media amendments to the DFSG

On 6 Apr 2006, Sam Hocevar stated:

> On Thu, Apr 06, 2006, Andreas Barth wrote:
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>> What's that for, now? Obviously the majority (and also the
>> secretary) wasn't the opinion the DFSG needs to be changed. Could
>> you please just accept the decision being done, and can we go back
>> to work?
>
> Well since obviously the majority was of the opinion that the above
> two additions were compliant with the DFSG, it strikes me as obvious
> that the DFSG need clarification for those who did not exactly
> understand them that way. Just for consistency, you know.

        Rubbish. The opinion I have seen bandied around is that the
 two issues are a problem with the GFDL, and have been acknowledged as
 such by the FSF, and are going to be fixed real soon now
 ™. Pragmatically, it does not make sense to remove documentation that
 only has these issues, only to turn around and move them back in.

        The GR sounds more like a sore loser GR.

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Josselin Mouette | 6 Apr 2006 16:29
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Re: GR proposal - Restricted-media amendments to the DFSG

Le jeudi 06 avril 2006 à 08:07 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
>         Rubbish. The opinion I have seen bandied around is that the
>  two issues are a problem with the GFDL, and have been acknowledged as
>  such by the FSF, and are going to be fixed real soon now
>  ™. Pragmatically, it does not make sense to remove documentation that
>  only has these issues, only to turn around and move them back in.

Then the GR 2006-001 shouldn't have said "the GFDL is free" but "the
GFDL isn't free but will accept documents licensed with it in main as a
temporary measure".
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Jacobo Tarrio | 6 Apr 2006 17:31

Re: GR proposal - Restricted-media amendments to the DFSG

El jueves,  6 de abril de 2006 a las 09:04:35 +0200, Josselin Mouette escribía:

> At the end of DFSG #2, the following text should be added:
>         "The license may restrict distribution to some kinds of media if
>         it is still possible to distribute the source code and compiled
>         code together on at least one machine-readable medium."
> At the end of DFSG #6, the following text should be added:
>         "As a special exception, the license may forbid use of
>         technical measures to restrict access or use of the software
>         itself."

 First, I disagree that such a change is necessary (if it were, the GR
itself would already include the needed changes and require 3:1
supermajority).

 Second, these amendments would make this example license DFSG-free:

Copyright (c) <year> <copyright holders>

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to
deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the
rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or
sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is
furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in
all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

The Software may only be distributed on 90-colum punch cards manufactured in
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Thomas Bushnell BSG | 6 Apr 2006 18:50

Re: GR proposal - Restricted-media amendments to the DFSG

Josselin Mouette <joss <at> debian.org> writes:

> At the end of DFSG #2, the following text should be added:
>         "The license may restrict distribution to some kinds of media if
>         it is still possible to distribute the source code and compiled
>         code together on at least one machine-readable medium."

I'm made uncomfortable by this, because it would tolerate licenses
which restricted distribution to cassette tape.

Thomas
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