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Stefano Zacchiroli | 1 Jun 2012 13:55
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Re: Claiming the "debian" account on GitHub ? (was: Re: Packaging on GitHub ?)

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 09:09:58AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> I am considering to ask GitHub if the debian account there is held by a
> debian.org address, and if not, whether they could transfer it to a Debian
> developer (me), who would set it up as a group open to host mirror copies of
> Debian source packages when their maintainer has interest to do so.
> 
> Stefano, do you (as DPL) feel comfortable with this ?  Or given the
> non-freeness of GitHub, would you prefer that there is no official presence of
> Debian there ?

My general stance on these matter, which I've applied in previous
similar occasions, is that Debian should not endorse/rely on non-free
services for its functioning.

The obvious problem with that is that the notion of "endorse/rely" is
rather blurry. So, as some sort of guidelines, here is how this notion
has has been declined in the past:

- we do not point our community, via www.d.o and any other official
  material, to those services

- but if DDs, on a personal basis, want to take care of accounts named
  "debian" on non-free services, they are of course free to do so.
  Trying to forbid that would resemble very much censorship and I think
  it should be avoided. Also, if those accounts must exist --- and it's
  very difficult to avoid they do --- it is better to have someone
  trusted by the Debian Project in control of them

- in terms of communication, I strongly encourage the people in control
  of those accounts to prominently advertise that they are non-free (why
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Debian FTP Masters | 1 Jun 2012 22:02
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Debian Maintainers Keyring changes

The following changes to the debian-maintainers keyring have just been activated:

devspam <at> moreofthesa.me.uk
    Full name: Darren Salt

fabreg <at> fabreg.it
    Removed key: 9A27C8D0A7DF2876B43960D14C043FEB5C7CF0B2

mtmiller <at> ieee.org
    Full name: Mike Miller
    Added key: 930750035A15E27C3830740728FA801A43BDD637

tsr <at> achos.com
    Full name: Tobias Stefan Richter
    Added key: 8CCC1BA8590FF029D17C708FC1BCD3C72AA28B6B

Debian distribution maintenance software,
on behalf of the Keyring maintainers
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Peter Palfrader | 3 Jun 2012 23:51
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Re: UBC-ECE maintenance window June 9th/10th

On Sun, 03 Jun 2012, Peter Palfrader wrote:

> Therefore, all of our systems at UBC-ECE will be unavailable on June
> 9th, from around 8:00 local time to about 20:00 local time - 17:00 UTC
> until 05:00 UTC on Sunday.

Actually, 08:00 local time in Vancouver is 17:00 in WLT - weasel local
time not in UTC.  In UTC that would be 15:00 with an end time still 12
hours after the start.

We hope everything will come back up nicely, else things might take a
little longer still.

Cheers,
weasel
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Ian Jackson | 6 Jun 2012 16:24
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Re: General Resolution: Diversity statement results

Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx writes ("General Resolution: Diversity statement results"):
> The results of the General Resolution is that the diversity
> statement has been accepted.
...
> The tally sheet is at:
> http://master.debian.org/~secretary/diversity/tally.txt

The voters' preferences are a bit annoying to grep for etc. because
they aren't normalised.  So I wrote the script below, just now.

If someone would like to include it in some package with a suitable
name, and perhaps give it a manpage, please do so.  Alternatively feel
free to just take it of course.

The licence of the version below is MIT or CC0 at your option.  Feel
free to upgrade to whatever licence is appropriate for the package it
goes into.

Ian.

#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use strict;
while (<>) {
    if (!m/^V: ([-1-9]+)(\s)/) {
	print or die $!;
	next;
    }
    my $rhs = $2.$'; #';
    my $vlist = $1;
    my $oldvlist = $vlist;
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Ian Jackson | 6 Jun 2012 16:35
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Re: (overlapping) bits from the DPL: April 2012

Stefano Zacchiroli writes ("(overlapping) bits from the DPL: April 2012"):
 I'm also discussing
> with tech-ctte members [15] the possibility of having periodic ctte
> meetings; the idea is to ensure that outstanding issues are periodically
> reassessed, improving the reliability of tech-ctte decision times.
> 
> [4]: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573745
> [15]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2012/04/msg00029.html

We have now had the first of these.  The IRC transcript is here:

 http://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2012/05/msg00072.html

Thanks,
Ian.
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Stefano Zacchiroli | 6 Jun 2012 17:54
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Re: General Resolution: Diversity statement results

On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 03:24:37PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> The voters' preferences are a bit annoying to grep for etc. because
> they aren't normalised.  So I wrote the script below, just now.
> 
> If someone would like to include it in some package with a suitable
> name, and perhaps give it a manpage, please do so.  Alternatively feel
> free to just take it of course.

Rather than having a separate utility to do so packaged, I'd rather
prefer to have devotee output normalized tally sheets. Doing so seems
compatible with the transparency principle of Debian public votes. The
existence of "obscured" votes due to the lack of normalization seems to
be nothing more than a bug in how we present results.

Did you consider turning your script into a devotee patch? devotee is
written in Perl too, so it's potentially not to hard to just plug your
script in as a patch.

Thanks for your script (and for considering the patch idea)!
Cheers.
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Ian Jackson | 6 Jun 2012 18:08
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Re: General Resolution: Diversity statement results

Stefano Zacchiroli writes ("Re: General Resolution: Diversity statement results"):
> On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 03:24:37PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > The voters' preferences are a bit annoying to grep for etc. because
> > they aren't normalised.  So I wrote the script below, just now.
> > 
> > If someone would like to include it in some package with a suitable
> > name, and perhaps give it a manpage, please do so.  Alternatively feel
> > free to just take it of course.
> 
> Rather than having a separate utility to do so packaged, I'd rather
> prefer to have devotee output normalized tally sheets. Doing so seems
> compatible with the transparency principle of Debian public votes. The
> existence of "obscured" votes due to the lack of normalization seems to
> be nothing more than a bug in how we present results.

I think there may be information in people's non-normalised votes.
For example on the diversity ballot `-2' seems to say `I'd rather just
forget about this' in a way that `-1' doesn't.

> Did you consider turning your script into a devotee patch? devotee is
> written in Perl too, so it's potentially not to hard to just plug your
> script in as a patch.

Where is the source code to devotee then ?

Ideally there would be a link to a copy of the actually-used source
code on the Secretary's output pages.

If I could get a copy of the Secretary's running source code I could
also change it so that options were lettered rather than numbered.
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Kurt Roeckx | 6 Jun 2012 18:45
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Re: General Resolution: Diversity statement results

On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 05:08:52PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> 
> If I could get a copy of the Secretary's running source code I could
> also change it so that options were lettered rather than numbered.
> That would be /much/ less confusing...

master.debian.org:/org/vote.debian.org/

It's about to move to a new host, and I'm not sure if DSA is still
going to give everybody access to that host.

Kurt
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Ben Armstrong | 6 Jun 2012 18:57
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Re: General Resolution: Diversity statement results

On 06/06/2012 01:08 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
> I think there may be information in people's non-normalised votes.
> For example on the diversity ballot `-2' seems to say `I'd rather just
> forget about this' in a way that `-1' doesn't.

Or "my mail client broke my vote and I didn't catch it and fix it".

My vote of '12' was rendered precisely as '-2' by icedove 10 and 11 + enigma 1.4 and 1.4.1
respectively because it insisted on rewrapping the whole response the minute I pressed 'Send' (in
spite of all efforts to make it not do that: a promising looking setting in engima, a plugin someone
on #debian-devel suggested ...). I wonder how many other votes were affected in this way?

I eventually gave up on icedove+enigma in disgust and just cast my vote via mutt.

Ben
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Ben Armstrong | 6 Jun 2012 19:02
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Re: General Resolution: Diversity statement results

On 06/06/2012 01:57 PM, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> My vote of '12' was rendered precisely as '-2' by icedove 10 and 11 + enigma 1.4 and 1.4.1

oops, enigmail*, of course
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