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Steve McIntyre | 1 Apr 2010 03:17
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(Final) Bits from (this) DPL

Hi folks,

It's been a very long time since I've written a summary of what I've
been up to, and I apologise for that. I've been plenty busy enough,
but rubbish at reporting back regularly. As it's coming up to the end
of my term and I'll be handing over to a new DPL very soon, I should
rectify that. Here's some more details, and some links to other stuff
that's been going on.

Press
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I've had the usual selection of chats with the press about topics
related to Debian. You'll have probably seen most of them already, but
here's some links in case:

 * Richard Hillesley at H Online asked me for my opinion about how
   Debian and Ubuntu get on. [1]

 * I spoke with Juan Marcelo Rodríguez Monti of Circo Linux in
   Argentina, but I couldn't find any sign of the results.

 * There were a few discussions with Sam Varghese at ITWire on various
   topics, e.g. [2,3,4]

 * Miscellaneous discussion with debianizzati.org [5]

 * Press reports about the new CD build server that Thomas Krenn
   sponsored for us [6,7]

Talks & Meetings
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Margarita Manterola | 1 Apr 2010 16:53
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Re: Let's resurrect Debian Weekly News (act the second)

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
<tolimar <at> debian.org> wrote:

> As you might remember, we once had a weekly newsletter informing our
> users and our fellow developers, what was going on in the "Debian
> Universe".  That was cool and we want to have these time back!

The Debian Weekly News was great because it kept everyone informed of
a lot of stuff happening in Debian, packages, mailing lists, blogs,
etc.

Currently, there's http://news.debian.net, which does not have _all_
the info that the DWN used to have, but it's doing a good job of
listing a lot of interesting stuff.

Keeping up with the news is a lot of work, and there's usually not
enough people to do it. It doesn't make sense to do the work twice.
Why not work together with Ana into making this website and the DWN
newsletter two ways of accessing the same information?

I know that a blog is not the same thing as a weekly (or bimonthly)
newsletter, but I'm sure that a workflow that avoids doing the same
task twice can be worked out, and it would be a benefit for everyone
involved.

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Stefano Zacchiroli | 1 Apr 2010 17:16
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Re: Let's resurrect Debian Weekly News (act the second)

On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 11:53:41AM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote:
> Keeping up with the news is a lot of work, and there's usually not
> enough people to do it. It doesn't make sense to do the work twice.
> Why not work together with Ana into making this website and the DWN
> newsletter two ways of accessing the same information?

In fact, what I think is really sub-optimal is that potential
contributors have two different channels to submit news.  For instance,
I submit from time to time news to news.debian.net by mailing
submit <at> news.d.n. Now that DWN is being resurrected I don't really want
to have to inform two separate recipients (most likely because I'll
forget one of the two addresses).

How about establishing a common place to collect news?

If debian-publicity <at> l.d.o is already an established place, maybe Ana
(BCc-ed) can make news.d.n submit address point there and follow that
list? Similar concerns exist for the form on news.d.n, maybe it can
notify -publicity upon submission too?

I concur that a newsletter and a blog can be quite some different
communication media inducing different styles, so if there are 2 sets of
editors willing to have both I don't see a problem. But please don't
make me, as a news submitter, choose among the two :-)

Thank you all news.d.n and DWN!
Cheers.

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jacek | 1 Apr 2010 17:22
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Clamav Nowa wersja

Witam od dzis pojawił mi sie problem na serwerze z aktualizacją Clamav.
Jeszcze u Was na serwerze jest 0.95.3 a jest juz 0.96 jest mozliwość
akualizacji u Was? Licze na odpowiedź.
Pozdrawiam Jacek Grzona

I welcome from dzis appear for me sie problem on the server with the
Clamav update. At you on the server he is still 0.95.3 and he is juz 0.96
is mozliwość akualizacji at you? Licze for the response.

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Alexander Reichle-Schmehl | 1 Apr 2010 17:57

Re: Let's resurrect Debian Weekly News (act the second)

Hi Marga!

Margarita Manterola schrieb:

>> As you might remember, we once had a weekly newsletter informing our
>> users and our fellow developers, what was going on in the "Debian
>> Universe". [..]
> Currently, there's http://news.debian.net, which does not have _all_
> the info that the DWN used to have, but it's doing a good job of
> listing a lot of interesting stuff.

I know of news.debian.net and I appreciate what Ana is doing there. 
However, news.debian.net is not a replacement for the DWN/DPN.  I don't 
make that up, but got told so by many people, e.g. during the CeBIT.

> Keeping up with the news is a lot of work, and there's usually not
> enough people to do it. It doesn't make sense to do the work twice.
> Why not work together with Ana into making this website and the DWN
> newsletter two ways of accessing the same information?
> 
> I know that a blog is not the same thing as a weekly (or bimonthly)
> newsletter, but I'm sure that a workflow that avoids doing the same
> task twice can be worked out, and it would be a benefit for everyone
> involved.

I'm open for collaboration, but I'm not sure what's possible there. 
AFAIK news.debian.net uses wordpress, which I'm not at all familiar 
with, so can't tell how it's possible to e.g. get translation integrated 
there.  But let's assume, that all that could be done (and to make me 
happy:  It's possible without using a web interface ;) I still see
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Alexander Reichle-Schmehl | 1 Apr 2010 17:58

Re: Let's resurrect Debian Weekly News (act the second)

Hi!

Stefano Zacchiroli schrieb:

> How about establishing a common place to collect news?
> 
> If debian-publicity <at> l.d.o is already an established place, [..]

That sounds very good to me!

Best regards,
   Alexander
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Ana Guerrero | 1 Apr 2010 18:24
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Re: Let's resurrect Debian Weekly News (act the second)


Hi,

On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 05:16:52PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 11:53:41AM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote:
> > Keeping up with the news is a lot of work, and there's usually not
> > enough people to do it. It doesn't make sense to do the work twice.
> > Why not work together with Ana into making this website and the DWN
> > newsletter two ways of accessing the same information?
> 
> In fact, what I think is really sub-optimal is that potential
> contributors have two different channels to submit news.  For instance,
> I submit from time to time news to news.debian.net by mailing
> submit <at> news.d.n. Now that DWN is being resurrected I don't really want
> to have to inform two separate recipients (most likely because I'll
> forget one of the two addresses).
> 
> How about establishing a common place to collect news?
> 
> If debian-publicity <at> l.d.o is already an established place, maybe Ana
> (BCc-ed) can make news.d.n submit address point there and follow that
> list? Similar concerns exist for the form on news.d.n, maybe it can
> notify -publicity upon submission too?
>

Currently the most 2 popular ways of submitting stuff to news.d.n are the
email address submit <at> news.d.n and the web form. The web form just sends an 
email to the submit <at> news.d.n alias. If somebody wants to volunteer to be 
added to this alias and add the important bits in the DPN's subversion, 
it seems to me like a good solution. I do not think it is a good idea
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Ana Guerrero | 1 Apr 2010 18:33
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Re: Let's resurrect Debian Weekly News (act the second)

On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 05:57:02PM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
> So, unless someone comes up with a good idea on how to solve the
> technical issues and the different content stile issues, I don't
> know much areas to work together.
>

The best ideas to solve these issues will come from those involved, namely us, 
you know your workflow and possibilities I know mine. Let's think about that 
and do a mini-IRC meeting after Easter and talk. Maybe marga or/and zack 
can join, at least, I hope one of you two being the DPL :-)

Ana
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martin f krafft | 2 Apr 2010 09:29
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Re: Let's resurrect Debian Weekly News (act the second)

also sprach Alexander Reichle-Schmehl <alexander <at> schmehl.info> [2010.04.01.1757 +0200]:
> A blog is more or less a real time media:  Something happens and soon
> after that it should be mentioned there.  The newsletter has the
> luxury to wait a bit longer, and also show the outcome of a
> discussion.

Wordpress implements editorial workflows, something I've been trying
to suggest with http://dpn.debian.net. I maintain that that's the
only true way to collaboratively compose a newsletter.

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Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt | 2 Apr 2010 13:25
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Re: Invite to join the Release Team

Micah Anderson <micah <at> riseup.net> writes:
> Clint Adams <schizo <at> debian.org> writes:
>> [Adding and M-F-T-ing -project]
[...]
>> Were you there?  Were Debian funds spend on this endeavor?  What
>> happened there?  Most importantly, why is it all so secretive?
>
> Did I miss a response to these questions? I'm interested to know the
> answer to at least two of them.

Discussion continued on debian-project, please check the archives. There
were also some more mails on -release at a later point. If there are
specific questions left unanswered, feel free to point it out and ask
again :-)

Marc
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