Rohan Mehrotra | 1 Aug 05:00 2008
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enquiry

hi

There is no way for free ordering & delivery for debian from internet, through world wide.

Have a good day.

Thanks & Regards
Rohan

Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now
Paul Wise | 1 Aug 05:48 2008
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Re: enquiry

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Rohan Mehrotra
<rohan.mehrotra <at> yahoo.co.in> wrote:

> There is no way for free ordering & delivery for debian from internet,
> through world wide.

Your message is better suited to the debian-user list:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/

That said, you might want to try the CD vendors in your country:

http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/#in

Alternatively, try to contact your local Linux User Group, they will
probably have what you want or be able to download it.

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filipe ferreira | 1 Aug 16:41 2008
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Imagem do Debian

Boa tarde.
 
Srs.
 
Venho por meio deste saber se o Debian tem alguma versão portátil, que possa ser executada de algum dispositivo (cdrom, pen-drivers). Aguardo  anciosamente a respota.
 
Att.
Filipe.Debian
Gustavo Noronha Silva | 1 Aug 21:26 2008
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Re: Imagem do Debian

[He asks about 'live' Debian]

Opa Felipe,

Essa é uma lista em inglês, eu sugiro que você se inscreva na lista
debian-user-portuguese para conversar em português =).

	http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-portuguese

Sobre sua pergunta:

On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 11:41 -0300, filipe ferreira wrote:
> Venho por meio deste saber se o Debian tem alguma versão portátil, que
> possa ser executada de algum dispositivo (cdrom, pen-drivers). Aguardo
> anciosamente a respota.

	http://live.debian.net/debian/

Tem imagens ISO de um CD 'live' do Debian que você pode usar. Eu não
conheço nenhuma imagem para pen drives, mas quem sabe alguém na
debian-user-portuguese te ajuda? =)

Abraço,

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Robert Millan | 3 Aug 14:17 2008

confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)


[ adding debian-project ]

On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 01:53:54PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 08:28:19AM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> > 
> > Earliest Eee models fully supported in Lenny
> > 
> >    Lenny will release with the atl2 ethernet driver and the non-free
> >    madwifi-source now works with the earliest Eee models as well,
> 
> Hi Ben
> 
> Lenny is Debian.  non-free is not part of Debian.  Check the Social Contract.

I wonder what is it that we do wrong to spread this confusion so much that it
affects even Debian developers themselves.

What is this to blame?  Would it be the FTP archive layout?  Perhaps having an
unified BTS?

I'd be very interested in finding an answer to that question, and proposing a
reform if we find something conclussive.

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  how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we
  still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."

Ben Armstrong | 3 Aug 14:23 2008
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Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:17:46 +0200
Robert Millan <rmh <at> aybabtu.com> wrote:
> I wonder what is it that we do wrong to spread this confusion so much that it
> affects even Debian developers themselves.
> 
> What is this to blame?  Would it be the FTP archive layout?  Perhaps having an
> unified BTS?
> 
> I'd be very interested in finding an answer to that question, and proposing a
> reform if we find something conclussive.

I'm speechless.

Ben Armstrong | 3 Aug 14:51 2008
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Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:17:46 +0200
Robert Millan <rmh <at> aybabtu.com> wrote:
> I wonder what is it that we do wrong to spread this confusion so much that it
> affects even Debian developers themselves.
> 
> What is this to blame?  Would it be the FTP archive layout?  Perhaps having an
> unified BTS?
> 
> I'd be very interested in finding an answer to that question, and proposing a
> reform if we find something conclussive.

Before this thread goes much further, examine the context, please.
Read the whole thing and then tell me I am confused:

Earliest Eee models fully supported in Lenny

   Lenny will release with the atl2 ethernet driver and the non-free
   madwifi-source now works with the earliest Eee models as well, so our
   patched version is no longer needed.  This means Lenny will work with
   all of the earliest models of the Eee PC: 701 (2G and 4G surf, 4G,
   8G) and 900!

Free drivers

   Nick Kossifidis has [2]submitted patches on linux-wireless supporting
   the Eee models currently supported only by the non-free madwifi in
   ath5k.  This means we'll soon realize our goal of a completely
   [3]DFSG free system for the earliest models of the Eee.  By 2.6.27,
   or at the latest 2.6.28, these models will be supported.  Then we
   will see about making a patch to support whichever kernel makes it
   into Lenny.

My only error is that when I said "fully supported" I overstated the
case.  Lenny will certainly "work with" all of the earliest models.
Nowhere do I say that non-free is part of Lenny.  I go on to state
our goal to ensure ath5k makes it into a Lenny kernel.

I have it clear in my mind the distinction between Lenny and non-free.
If you knew me and supported my work, you'd know that I know that.  If
you knew my peers in the debian-eeepc project, you'd know that *they*
know that.  

Do you know what I'm feeling now, at a time when I should have been
enjoying the first major success of our project after pouring months of
our lives into it?  Hurt.  Consider that, the next time you feel it is
your sainted duty to drag one of your fellow Debian developers before
the project and correct the error of his ways.

Ben

Filipus Klutiero | 3 Aug 19:07 2008
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Rejecting uploads for already existing issues (Re: debian/copyright for files not part of the binary packages?)

>
> - If it something passed NEW last time, should that necessarily happen
>   the next time as well?
>   
Unless the problem that was missed is serious, or its severity is higher 
in the newest version, yes.
>   An oversight does not invalidate the problem, does it?
>   

Spotting the problem does not constitute a solution, does it?

Giacomo A. Catenazzi | 4 Aug 15:18 2008
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Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

Robert Millan wrote:
> [ adding debian-project ]
> 
> On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 01:53:54PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 08:28:19AM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
>>> Earliest Eee models fully supported in Lenny
>>>
>>>    Lenny will release with the atl2 ethernet driver and the non-free
>>>    madwifi-source now works with the earliest Eee models as well,
>> Hi Ben
>>
>> Lenny is Debian.  non-free is not part of Debian.  Check the Social Contract.
> 
> I wonder what is it that we do wrong to spread this confusion so much that it
> affects even Debian developers themselves.
> 
> What is this to blame?  Would it be the FTP archive layout?  Perhaps having an
> unified BTS?

There are some problem with terms/words: they are inconsistent, sometime 
also along the same documentation file.
BTW I'm trying to document it: http://wiki.debian.org/PolicyGlossary

Anyway:
 From policy: "The main category forms the Debian GNU/Linux
distribution."

But I'm not sure that Lenny is only Debian:
 From http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/Release
(thus using 'dak' terminology):

: Origin: Debian
: Label: Debian
: Suite: testing
: Codename: lenny
: Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:39:59 UTC
: Architectures: alpha amd64 arm armel hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel 
powerpc s390 sparc
: Components: main contrib non-free
: Description: Debian x.y Testing distribution - Not Released

So lenny is made from main (Debian), contrib and non-free.

ciao
	cate

Robert Millan | 4 Aug 20:36 2008

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 03:18:24PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> : Origin: Debian
> : Label: Debian
> : Suite: testing
> : Codename: lenny
> : Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:39:59 UTC
> : Architectures: alpha amd64 arm armel hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel 
> powerpc s390 sparc
> : Components: main contrib non-free
> : Description: Debian x.y Testing distribution - Not Released
> 
> So lenny is made from main (Debian), contrib and non-free.

Therefore Lenny is not Debian, but a superset of it?

This is troubling.  Do you have any suggestions on how to address this?

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  The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and
  how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we
  still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."


Gmane