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Florian DUVAL | 1 Aug 2007 15:17
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donation in EUR

Hi,

I want to makea donation, but i'm in the EURO zone, is it possible to 
donate in EUR ?

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Martin Wuertele | 1 Aug 2007 15:51
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Re: donation in EUR

Hi Florian!

* Florian DUVAL <florian <at> u3.fr> [2007-08-01 15:33]:

> I want to makea donation, but i'm in the EURO zone, is it possible to 
> donate in EUR ?

From http://www.debian.org/donations.en.html
"Europe: Verein zur Förderung Freier Informationen und Software e.V.
(ffis) in Germany" 

HTH Martin
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Martin Schulze | 1 Aug 2007 15:56
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Re: donation in EUR

Florian DUVAL wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want to makea donation, but i'm in the EURO zone, is it possible to 
> donate in EUR ?

Yes, please see <http://www.ffis.de/Verein/donations.html> for example.
There are also a Swiss (debian.ch) and an Austrian association as well
as a Spanish one.

Regards,

	Joey

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Martin Michlmayr | 1 Aug 2007 16:19

Re: donation in EUR

* Florian DUVAL <florian <at> u3.fr> [2007-08-01 15:17]:
> I want to makea donation, but i'm in the EURO zone, is it possible
> to donate in EUR ?

Yes, please see http://www.ffis.de/Verein/spi-en.html

Thanks for your interest.
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Enrico Zini | 3 Aug 2007 12:09

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On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 12:02:47PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:

> > Frankly, the non-incidental cost of breaking all mailto: links and all
> > possibility of copying and pasting far outweighs the possible benifits
> > of blocking non-intelligent e-mail harvesting programs. [Not to
> > mention that address munging breaks bodies of messages and
> > signatures.]
> You don't need to break the mailto: links, you can simply replace by a
> http:// link without the email and have a mechanism (captcha or whatever)
> to get access to the real email...
> 
> It's more complicated to implement and it's a bit heavy but we don't
> copy-paste emails from public archives that often so that it's a major
> nuisance for us.

Frankly, I do copy-paste emails from public archives if I am looking at
the page and I feel like I have extra info to provide or something to
comment to some of the people involved.

> We're getting off-topic for -newmaint though. Please take it to -project
> if you reply to my mail. :)

Ciao,

Enrico

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Russ Allbery | 3 Aug 2007 18:17
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Raphael Hertzog <hertzog <at> debian.org> writes:
> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007, Don Armstrong wrote:

>> Frankly, the non-incidental cost of breaking all mailto: links and all
>> possibility of copying and pasting far outweighs the possible benifits
>> of blocking non-intelligent e-mail harvesting programs. [Not to mention
>> that address munging breaks bodies of messages and signatures.]

> You don't need to break the mailto: links, you can simply replace by a
> http:// link without the email and have a mechanism (captcha or
> whatever) to get access to the real email...

> It's more complicated to implement and it's a bit heavy but we don't
> copy-paste emails from public archives that often so that it's a major
> nuisance for us.

I'll repeat what I said the last time that this came up: I'm not a big fan
of doing anything along these lines, but I guess I don't care a tremendous
amount if someone implements this on an opt-in basis for people who just
absolutely have to have their address munged.  It does mean, however, that
I'll not feel any obligation to jump through whatever hoops it takes to
reply to the person who submitted the bug.

However, I *strongly* object to any change that would munge, hide, put
behind captcha, or otherwise make it difficult for people to see *my*
e-mail address on the bugs that I report or on the packages that I
maintain.  Please do *not* protect my e-mail address in some well-meaning
but misguided desire to help me with my spam.  I already have tools that
do that, and I do not want anyone to put any hurdles whatsoever in the way
of people being able to contact me about any of my Debian work.
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Ben Pfaff | 3 Aug 2007 18:25
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Russ Allbery <rra <at> debian.org> writes:

> However, I *strongly* object to any change that would munge, hide, put
> behind captcha, or otherwise make it difficult for people to see *my*
> e-mail address on the bugs that I report or on the packages that I
> maintain.  Please do *not* protect my e-mail address in some well-meaning
> but misguided desire to help me with my spam.  I already have tools that
> do that, and I do not want anyone to put any hurdles whatsoever in the way
> of people being able to contact me about any of my Debian work.

I want to second this.  I post to Usenet, a lot, using my real
email address.  I'd rather be accessible than spam-free.
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Andreas Barth | 3 Aug 2007 18:35

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* Ben Pfaff (blp <at> cs.stanford.edu) [070803 18:26]:
> Russ Allbery <rra <at> debian.org> writes:
> 
> > However, I *strongly* object to any change that would munge, hide, put
> > behind captcha, or otherwise make it difficult for people to see *my*
> > e-mail address on the bugs that I report or on the packages that I
> > maintain.  Please do *not* protect my e-mail address in some well-meaning
> > but misguided desire to help me with my spam.  I already have tools that
> > do that, and I do not want anyone to put any hurdles whatsoever in the way
> > of people being able to contact me about any of my Debian work.
> 
> I want to second this.  I post to Usenet, a lot, using my real
> email address.  I'd rather be accessible than spam-free.

Fully agreed. (And, BTW, my mailadress is burned anyways - I'm using it
for years in usenet now, and even posted to news.answers for a few years
- nothing worse can happen to any address.)

Cheers,
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Magnus Holmgren | 3 Aug 2007 19:39
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On Friday 03 August 2007 18:25, Ben Pfaff wrote:
> Russ Allbery <rra <at> debian.org> writes:
> > However, I *strongly* object to any change that would munge, hide, put
> > behind captcha, or otherwise make it difficult for people to see *my*
> > e-mail address on the bugs that I report or on the packages that I
> > maintain.  Please do *not* protect my e-mail address in some well-meaning
> > but misguided desire to help me with my spam.  I already have tools that
> > do that, and I do not want anyone to put any hurdles whatsoever in the
> > way of people being able to contact me about any of my Debian work.
>
> I want to second this.  I post to Usenet, a lot, using my real
> email address.  I'd rather be accessible than spam-free.

+1. Trying to hide one's email address is futile. Combatting the spam at the 
gates is easy. And fun. :-)

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Marc Haber | 3 Aug 2007 21:59
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On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 06:35:24PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> * Ben Pfaff (blp <at> cs.stanford.edu) [070803 18:26]:
> > Russ Allbery <rra <at> debian.org> writes:
> > 
> > > However, I *strongly* object to any change that would munge, hide, put
> > > behind captcha, or otherwise make it difficult for people to see *my*
> > > e-mail address on the bugs that I report or on the packages that I
> > > maintain.  Please do *not* protect my e-mail address in some well-meaning
> > > but misguided desire to help me with my spam.  I already have tools that
> > > do that, and I do not want anyone to put any hurdles whatsoever in the way
> > > of people being able to contact me about any of my Debian work.
> > 
> > I want to second this.  I post to Usenet, a lot, using my real
> > email address.  I'd rather be accessible than spam-free.
> 
> 
> Fully agreed. (And, BTW, my mailadress is burned anyways - I'm using it
> for years in usenet now, and even posted to news.answers for a few years
> - nothing worse can happen to any address.)

I agree as well. I do post a lot on usenet as well (using a different
address, so I can see where an address was scraped from), and I can
say that most of my spam goes to the addresses that are visible on
Debian web pages, namely mh+debian-packages <at> zugschlus.de and
mh+debian-bugs <at> zugschlus.de. Addresses used on Usenet do not get a
lot of spam nowadays.

Greetings
Marc, rather reachable than spam-free
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