Baz | 1 Dec 07:16 2006
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Re: Debian Weekly News - November 28th, 2006

 

I prefer to see "etch" released in a timely manner - I prefer to see the DWN released weekly in the same excellent degree.  An organization such as The Debian Project can certainly do both.    Anthony Towns et al, have come up with something (anything) to try and solve a major problem.  Do I acknowledge that money may have a corrupting influence?  Yes I do.  Do I believe it has corrupted the process in question?

 
The question is - what can be done to reconcile the conflicting concerns?

On 11/30/06, MJ Ray < mjr <at> phonecoop.coop> wrote:
Baz < bazciscor <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps you prefer to see Debian releases late than to see the Weekly News
> published every week plus a day or two?

I like to see debian release when it is ready and I don't care when
the Weekly News appears.

Perhaps you prefer to sell Debian leadership for money, any money,
rather than to build consensus among Debian developers on how to
support it equitably?

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Adrian von Bidder | 1 Dec 09:12 2006
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Re: debian logo on commercial of the big mobilephones shops network

On Sunday 26 November 2006 12:30, Evgeniy Ivanov wrote:

> [quote]
> I don't see how some russian company using some swirl for advertising
> endangers the freedom of Debian.
> [/quote]
>
> They are big and has enough money to create new logo, but not to use
> Debian logo for their needs. This time they use swirl, tomorrow they
> would make advertisment with tux... Some days after people would think,
> that Debian is a part of these shops (their intelligent property!).

Again, what others have already said:  it is not the Debian swirl.  It is 
very likely that whoever created this swirl has not even heard about 
Debian.

The Debian swirl was created with a few - apparently very obvious - steps in 
a popular graphics package (which one?), starting with a default brush 
stroke.  So anybody owning this particular graphics package can easily 
create a similar logo.  Both brush strokes and swirls are not that 
uncommon...

This was discussed in the past already.

Time for a more unique logo?  OTOH I quite like the swirl.  And then there 
are the tattooed people who probably would like the logo to stay the same 
for another few years...

cheers
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Adrian von Bidder | 1 Dec 09:24 2006
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Re: Hardwareunterstützung

Hi Dirk,

Most Debian mailing lists are english-oriented, please respect this.  There 
are some german lists, such as debian-user-de.   Please note, too, that 
the -project list is not really the correct list to talk about such issues.  
debian-user would probabyl be better.

On Tuesday 28 November 2006 16:32, Kuebeler, Dirk (StarCom-Bauer GmbH) 
wrote:

> wir benötigen für einen großen Kunden von uns, welcher Debian Linux
> bereits einsetzt ein Board für Sockel 775.

I don't think a general hardware compatibility list for Debian is available.  
(And owing to the extremely short product cycles I'm not sure it's even 
feasible)

Currently, the situation is:
 * on most modern hardware, Debian 3.1 (sarge) won't install with the 
default installer because of the IDE hardware.  SCSI might be fine.  
Graphics cards will also be a major pain.
 * on most modern hardware Debian 4.0 (etch) which is now in preparation 
(current expected release date is around the end of the year, personally I 
guess it will be something like end of January) will install and run just 
fine.  Accelerated graphics is still a problem without using proprietary 
drivers for Nvidia and ATI cards.

I hope this helps you
Greetings
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Roland Mas | 1 Dec 11:23 2006
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Tattoos (was: debian logo on commercial of the big mobilephones shops network)

Adrian von Bidder, 2006-12-01 09:12:43 +0100 :

> OTOH I quite like the swirl.  And then there are the tattooed people
> who probably would like the logo to stay the same for another few
> years...

I like the swirl too, but you have to concede that having a disused
logo tattooed on you does give you more of an old-timer aura.

  "This swirl?  Yeah, I got it in the early days of Debian.  I missed
the chicken by a few months, though.  Oh well, it probably doesn't
mean a thing to you youngsters anyway."

Roland.
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Russ Allbery | 1 Dec 22:00 2006
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Re: Debian Weekly News - November 28th, 2006

Baz <bazciscor <at> gmail.com> writes:

> I prefer to see "etch" released in a timely manner - I prefer to see the
> DWN released weekly in the same excellent degree.  An organization such
> as The Debian Project can certainly do both.  Anthony Towns et al, have
> come up with something (anything) to try and solve a major problem.  Do
> I acknowledge that money may have a corrupting influence?  Yes I do.  Do
> I believe it has corrupted the process in question?

> The question is - what can be done to reconcile the conflicting
> concerns?

The best thing that can be done to reconcile the conflicting concerns
right now, as far as I'm concerned, would be for all of us to stop telling
other people what to do.  That applies across the board: stop telling
other people how to spend their money, stop telling other people how to
structure their time, stop involving ourselves in the personal decisions
of other developers unless invited to do so, stop looking behind every
action for a whiff of conspiracy, stop psychoanalyzing each other, stop
criticizing each other for our emotions, stop reacting when other people
do.

Just stop.

Let everyone work on Debian in their own fashion, in their own way, and
take their contributions at face value and move on.  Some people will stop
working for whatever reason, including anger at what other people have
chosen to do with their money or how other people have chosen to accept
money.  Some people will increase their effort.  All of us are *very*
different, are coming from extremely different cultures and sets of
concerns, and have very different personal arrangements of work/life
balance, employment, funding, and work structure.  We need to give each
other space to be ourselves while working on Debian and not try to force
Debian Developers into any particular model.  There are too many of us for
that.

This doesn't solve all of the problems, and I'm not saying that the
concerns raised can be dismissed as simply as just letting them go, but it
would give us a cooling off period and some space to focus on the work
rather than on the politics, and I for one would really appreciate that
right now.

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pierrero | 2 Dec 01:27 2006
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Delete my message on one Debian List Please (one More)


And also this one please
http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2006/11/msg00182.html

---

Hello,

I've posted messages in one of your Debian lists from from my business
email address and I start to receive spam.
It is very sad since I had succeeded with preserving of any indexing by
the spam robots :-(
The only site which proposes my address email is yours, so I am about
sure that it comes from these messages:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2006/11/msg00240.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2006/11/msg00241.html
http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20061117.082730.43237201.en.html

Could you please delete these messages as fast as possible ? That “would
save me” ;-) ;-)

My address email is: pierre.rolland--AT--ibs.fr
Thank you for your comprehension.
Pierre ROLLAND

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Et celui ci aussi s'il vous plait:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2006/11/msg00182.html

---

Bonjour,

J'ai posté un message dans une de vos listes Debian à partir de mon
adresse professionnelle et je commence à recevoir du spam. C'est très
génant pour moi puisque j'avais réussi à la préservée de toute
indexation par les robots de spams. :-(

Le seul site qui propose mon adresse mail en clair étant le votre, je
suis à peu près sûr que cela vient de ces messages :
http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2006/11/msg00240.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2006/11/msg00241.html
http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20061117.082730.43237201.en.html

Si vous pouviez effacer ces messages au plus vite cela "me sauverait". ;-)

L'adresse mail en question est :
pierre.rolland--AT--ibs.fr

Merci de votre compréhension.
Pierre ROLLAND

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pierrero | 2 Dec 01:23 2006
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Delete my message on one Debian List Please

Hello,

I've posted messages in one of your Debian lists from from my business 
email address and I start to receive spam.
It is very sad since I had succeeded with preserving of any indexing by 
the spam robots :-(
The only site which proposes my address email is yours, so I am about 
sure that it comes from these messages: 
http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2006/11/msg00240.html 
http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2006/11/msg00241.html
http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20061117.082730.43237201.en.html

Could you please delete these messages as fast as possible ? That “would 
save me” ;-) ;-)

My address email is: pierre.rolland--AT--ibs.fr
Thank you for your comprehension.
Pierre ROLLAND

------

Bonjour,

J'ai posté un message dans une de vos listes Debian à partir de mon 
adresse professionnelle et je commence à recevoir du spam. C'est très 
génant pour moi puisque j'avais réussi à la préservée de toute 
indexation par les robots de spams. :-(

Le seul site qui propose mon adresse mail en clair étant le votre, je 
suis à peu près sûr que cela vient de ces messages :
http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2006/11/msg00240.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2006/11/msg00241.html
http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20061117.082730.43237201.en.html

Si vous pouviez effacer ces messages au plus vite cela "me sauverait". ;-)

L'adresse mail en question est :
pierre.rolland--AT--ibs.fr

Merci de votre compréhension.
Pierre ROLLAND

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Kevin Mark | 2 Dec 05:11 2006
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Re: Delete my message on one Debian List Please (one More)

On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 01:27:04AM +0100, pierrero wrote:
> 
> And also this one please
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2006/11/msg00182.html
> 
> 
> ---
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I've posted messages in one of your Debian lists from from my business
> email address and I start to receive spam.
> It is very sad since I had succeeded with preserving of any indexing by
> the spam robots :-(
> The only site which proposes my address email is yours, so I am about
> sure that it comes from these messages:
Hi Pierre,

As a Debian user I think Debian has a policy of having open email lists
that do not require you to subscribe to any list and of not altering the
email address to hide it from spam makers. Its very open and public just
like the internet, that never forgets anything you send.  Some person in
Debian can delete your post but it will not stop the spam, since they
already have your email address. Be sure in the future to use an email
address that will enable you to filter it or use some method to check
your email for spam. That is all anyone can do these days :-)
Debian does not spam. In fact, they remove thousands of spam a day from
entering the many email lists that you and I recieve, thank goodness!
Cheers,
Kev
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Amaya | 3 Dec 00:36 2006
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Re: Tattoos (was: debian logo on commercial of the big mobilephones shops network)

Roland Mas wrote:
>   "This swirl?  Yeah, I got it in the early days of Debian.  I missed
> the chicken by a few months, though.  Oh well, it probably doesn't
> mean a thing to you youngsters anyway."

I still liked the chiken better :)
And there's plenty of skin in my body for as many logos as may come.

Lars, will you finally get away from not getting that tattoo if we don't
release in time? ;)

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pierrero | 3 Dec 01:45 2006
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Delete my message on one Debian List Please

From: paul-debian A.T. home.paulcager.org

> You may also want to try contacting the debian-www list;
> they might be able to do it.
> 
> Regards,
> Paul
> 
---

Hello,

I've posted messages in one of your Debian lists from from my business
email address and I start to receive spam.
It is very sad since I had succeeded with preserving of any indexing by
the spam robots :-(

The only site which proposes my address email is yours,
so I am about sure that it comes from these messages:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2006/11/msg00240.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2006/11/msg00241.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2006/11/msg00182.html
http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20061117.082730.43237201.en.html

Could you please delete these messages as fast as possible ?
That "would save me" ;-)

My email address is: pierre.rolland--AT--ibs.fr

Thank you for your comprehension.
Pierre ROLLAND

------

Bonjour,

J'ai posté un message dans une de vos listes Debian à partir de mon
adresse professionnelle et je commence à recevoir du spam.
C'est très génant pour moi puisque j'avais réussi à la préservée de 
toute indexation par les robots de spams :-(

Le seul site qui propose mon adresse mail en clair étant le votre,
je suis à peu près sûr que cela vient de ces messages :
http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2006/11/msg00240.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2006/11/msg00241.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2006/11/msg00182.html
http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20061117.082730.43237201.en.html

Si vous pouviez effacer ces messages au plus vite,
cela "me sauverait" ;-)

L'adresse mail en question est :
pierre.rolland--AT--ibs.fr

Merci de votre compréhension.
Pierre ROLLAND

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