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Gustavo Giaccio | 1 Apr 2003 18:49
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I need information about your reseller programs

Dears:
>         My name is Gustavo Giaccio, I work in a Resealler Company, in
> Argentina, called NorthData S.A., I was in Argentina since 1979. I study
> your Linux distribution and, in my opinion there are very interesting for our
> market, due to tech specification and  performance, therefore I
> need Information about your Resealler Program or VAR program and price list, including courses and certifications.
> North Data work with several customer in Argentina, Uruguay and Spain,
> this customer are be in financial, goberment and telecom markets.
> 
> Best Regards.
> 
> GUSTAVO GIACCIO
> System Engineer
> NorthData
> Tel: 4331-0990
> Cel: 15-5803-3457

GUSTAVO GIACCIO
System Engineer
NorthData
Tel: 4331-0990
Cel: 15-5803-3457
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Peter Karlsson | 1 Apr 2003 21:18
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Re: I need information about your reseller programs

Gustavo Giaccio:

> therefore I need Information about your Resealler Program

Dear Mr. Giaccio,

You will find all the information you need on our web site, at this
URL:

  http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/info

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nikos | 5 Apr 2003 23:01

Why are these packages in Debian?

Hello,
I don't understand why the packages anarchism, bible-kjv and bible-kjv-text (in section doc) are Debian
packages. They are no technical documentation, they don't correspond (in my eyes) to open source's
philosophy, they can be easily found on the WWW...
Thanks for your comments and answers.
Nikos
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Biella Coleman | 6 Apr 2003 03:41

Re: Why are these packages in Debian?

> Hello,
> I don't understand why the packages anarchism, bible-kjv and bible-kjv-text (in section doc) are Debian
packages. They are no technical documentation, they don't correspond (in my eyes) to open source's
philosophy, they can be easily found on the WWW...

Hey Nikos,

All the dictionary packages are not technical documentation and don't
correspond to open source philosophy. And all the linux gazette
packages, there are others too...

Biella

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David B Harris | 6 Apr 2003 06:07
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Re: Why are these packages in Debian?

On Sat Apr 05, 11:01pm +0200, nikos <at> altern.org wrote:
> I don't understand why the packages anarchism, bible-kjv and bible-kjv-text (in section doc) are Debian packages.

Because somebody packaged them.
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nikos | 6 Apr 2003 10:17

Re: Why are these packages in Debian?

Hello,

> All the dictionary packages are not technical documentation and
> don't correspond to open source philosophy. And all the linux
> gazette packages, there are others too...

Apart from the three packages I've quoted before, all the doc packages are technical ones or correspond to
open source's philosophy (I'm using potato stable). It's not the same thing for the linux gazette
packages: they can be found on the WWW too, but they are information related to Debian. Because they are
proselytism, because they defend Debian's philosophy, they are justified. It's a human reaction to
defend its point of view. If Debian didn't do that, people wouldn't trust it, because they could think
Debian doesn't trust its own ideas. It's not the same thing for these three packages: they don't defend
Debian's ideas. But, as I already said, what shocks me with them is that they defend opinions which aren't
shared by everyone.

> Because somebody packaged them.

Do you accept any package? Fortunately not! You don't accept any for technical reasons (for example, in the
Debian Weekly News issued February 18th, 2003, it was considered to remove a package which contained an
easter egg. I quote: "Removing mICQ from Debian? Martin Loschwitz proposed to remove mICQ from Debian
entirely since the upstream author has placed a harmful and obfuscated easter egg in the code, bypassing
the maintainer's testing."). But I'm also confident in Debian for don't accepting packages which defend
xenophobic ideas for example. So why are these packages here?

Thanks for your answers.
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Gergely Nagy | 6 Apr 2003 12:22

Re: Why are these packages in Debian?

> I don't understand why the packages anarchism, bible-kjv and
> bible-kjv-text (in section doc) are Debian packages. They are no
> technical documentation, they don't correspond (in my eyes) to open
> source's philosophy, they can be easily found on the WWW...

Because someone packaged them, and someone uses (installed)
them. Whether it is easy to find on the web, is irrelevant, as there
are still people who are not connected 24/7, and prefer to install a
package, and read it offline.

And having them in Debian means that I can just do an apt-get install,
instead of hunting through thousands of results on google.

Also, it is your opinion that they do not correspond to open source's
philosophy. Someone else might feel otherwise. (Following this
argument, I could say that fancy stuff like GNOME or KDE hurt the open
source community, because they don't force users to write and
contribute code - as would be the True Free Software Way. This
argument would be just as flawed as yours.)

That is why they're in.
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David Nusinow | 6 Apr 2003 14:07
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Re: Why are these packages in Debian?

On Sun, Apr 06, 2003 at 10:17:15AM +0200, nikos <at> altern.org wrote:
> > Because somebody packaged them.
> 
> Do you accept any package? Fortunately not! You don't accept any for technical reasons (for example, in
the Debian Weekly News issued February 18th, 2003, it was considered to remove a package which contained
an easter egg. I quote: "Removing mICQ from Debian? Martin Loschwitz proposed to remove mICQ from Debian
entirely since the upstream author has placed a harmful and obfuscated easter egg in the code, bypassing
the maintainer's testing."). But I'm also confident in Debian for don't accepting packages which defend
xenophobic ideas for example. So why are these packages here?

Are the ideas in these packages xenophobic? The anarchism package isn't
really. Whether or not you think that Debian is an example of anarchism
in action is irrelevant when you consider the fact that many other
people do (go search the list archives for the massive thread on the
subject).

And as for the bible-kjv, it's actually a software program that's meant
to browse text. As the description says, "it could, in principle, be
used for any text". The software is Free, and is thus in accordance
with the Social Contract, and the software becomes useful by having
something to browse, in this case it's the King James Bible, which is a
very useful text for a large number of people (it is, after all, the
most widely read book in the world).

Finally, the mICQ example you cite is a rather crude one that goes well
beyond the realm of the technical in to issues of trustworthiness. Go
read the thread that DWN refers to before comparing that to other
rejections. mICQ was a unique example. I've not followed such things
closely, nor am I an FTP master who's in charge of such things, but
most packages aren't rejected, but instead they are debated about in
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Richard Braakman | 6 Apr 2003 14:36
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Re: Why are these packages in Debian?

On Sat, Apr 05, 2003 at 11:01:45PM +0200, nikos <at> altern.org wrote:
> I don't understand why the packages anarchism, bible-kjv and
> bible-kjv-text (in section doc) are Debian packages. They are no
> technical documentation, they don't correspond (in my eyes) to open
> source's philosophy, they can be easily found on the WWW...

I don't know about anarchism (never looked at it), but from my
point of view, bible-kjv-text is in there because it's useful
reference material.  I would support packaging, e.g., the
collected works of Shakespeare for the same reason.  bible-kjv
is a program for searching through bible-kjv-text, it's there for
the same reasons that any other free software program is.

(By the way, please wrap your lines at about 70 characters, and use
a mailer that preserves threading information.  Your mails are painful
to read and reply to.)

Richard Braakman
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