Marco d'Itri | 1 Apr 01:19
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Re: demoting a dependency

On Mar 31, Steve Langasek <vorlon <at> debian.org> wrote:

> libkrb5 is also Priority: standard these days, so is it really necessary to
> try that hard, anyway?
Thanks to symbol dependencies this removed the need for backports.

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Bernd Zeimetz | 1 Apr 03:15
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Re: why is Ardour pretty outdated in stable and not in testing?

Grammostola Rosea wrote:

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>> http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=ardour
>>   
> So this should be fixed, wait till it hit testing and then make an
> backport?

Yes. That's the best way to go.

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Jeff Licquia | 1 Apr 03:38
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Bug#522135: ITP: python-pip -- Alternative Python package installer

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jeff Licquia <licquia <at> debian.org>

* Package name    : python-pip
  Version         : 0.3.1
  Upstream Author : Ian Bicking
* URL             : http://pip.openplans.org/
* License         : MIT/X
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description     : Alternative Python package installer

This is Ian Bicking's easy_install replacement.  It integrates with 
virtualenv, and does a number of things better.

The package is pretty much done and is being tested.  If you're 
impatient, my bzr repository should be here soon:

http://bzr.licquia.org/pip/debian

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Sons Oftheinternet | 1 Apr 04:31
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Major Vendors and FSF Announce Instigation of Cloud Alliance and New Open Source License

PRESS RELEASE

http://tinyurl.com/cloudleft

Major Vendors and FSF Announce Instigation of Cloud Alliance and New Open Source License

CLOUD 9, THE CLOUD®, April 1 2009 (CCT): Today, major cloud vendors, in conjunction with the Free Software Foundation (FSF), announced the imminent creation of the Free™ and Open™ Cloud Alliance™ (FOCA), an industry-wide trade marketing association supporting Free™ and Open™ Cloud Computing™ (FOCC).   The group also pre-announced the release of a new license for cloud computing, the "CloudLeft Public License (CPL)".  The event coincides with the close of the Cloud Computing Expo in New York City. Full details will be available next Monday.

The major vendors describe the effort as a vehicle for promoting interoperability of ALL information technology (IT) systems, ensuring they are Free™ and Open™.  In support of the first marketing and outreach program - "FOCC: IT in 2009" - FOCA is sponsoring a technical oversight group, the ZOMG!, which will create a Technical Committee to deliver the CloudLeft Reference Application Platform, a Reference Model for the Management of Free™ Cloud™ Management Systems for Management of Clouds™.

"In the past, I've said that 'cloud' is complete gibberish, but while discussing fashion during my weekly squash game with Stallman he convinced me that this was a great opportunity.  It's not often that a vendor group devoid of products can so easily and quickly get the marketing upper hand, and by partnering with the FSF, we should be able to get the free software community completely on board with us" said Larry Ellison, Chairman and CEO of Oracle™. "I'm really excited about working more with Stallman, " he added. "I've always been a supporter of the Free™ software movement, and being able to play a key role in the creation of a new license is very important to me.  This should be a great way to level the playing field -- even small players like retail booksellers can get involved."

This new license, the "CloudLeft Public License (CPL)", is the logical extension of the Free™ software philosophy to The Cloud®.  It is based on two fundamental ideas; that data wants to be Free™, and all your Cloud™ are belong to us. Building on these core tenets, the license ensures that software running on as well as data passing through a CloudLeft platform will be Free™ and made available to anyone connected to the internet, whether via REST, web services or SOA - even over IPv6.

"Clouds want to be Free™", said Richard M. Stallman, Founder of the Free Software Foundation.  "While I've said that cloud computing is 'worse than stupidity', we found that licensing was lax due to the so-called "user data loophole", even after plugging the "service provider loophole" last year.   I'm proud to introduce the "CloudLeft Public License (CPL)", under which both the source code for, and data passing through, a CloudLeft platform will be Free™.  This license also reintroduces the advertising clause, requiring you to use the name 'GNU/Cloud'.  I'm tired of haranguing the GNU/Linux community about this."

The analyst community has been quick to embrace FOCC.  "Finally someone gets what we've been saying for years.  Subscription models suck.  Data wants to be free." said James Governor, analyst at Redmonk, "Except for our reports".  According to Gartner, "CloudLeft renders five of the seven main security risks void by making all data available for everyone to see, while simultaneously dispensing with the number two concern by appropriately setting users' expectation of privacy."

FOCA is holding events this week all over New York City, in multiple secret locations to be revealed on Monday.  Working to unify and harmonize the cloud computing community, FOCA will bring together representatives from the various cloud standards and alliance efforts in a one day workshop, "Go FOCC Yourself", dedicated to achieving semantic, taxonomic and ontological consistency amongst all stakeholders. FOCA is also sponsoring "Free™Camp", an un-conference for people interested in Cloud™, Free™dom and related topics.  Admission is Free™, and Free™ as in beer refreshments will be provided.  Dial 1-800-FOCC-ME to find one near you. 

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Free™ is a trademark of the Free Software Foundation. "The Cloud®" is a registered trademark of The University of Georgia. Cloud Computing is not a trademark of Dell Computer, Inc.



Michael Tautschnig | 1 Apr 09:02
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Re: How to depend on 32bit libs on amd64? (and what to do with ia32-libs)

[...]
> 
> I'm unsure why we need *any* 32-bit libraries or binaries on an
> amd64 system.  If one needs to run 32-bit software, it is possible to
> debootstrap an i386 system and use it as a chroot.  Using a tool such
> as schroot handles all of the kernel personality and chroot details,
> and even allows normal users to use it with access to all their files,
> etc.  With a few one line scripts/shell aliases, it's completely
> transparent.  It also has the advantage of being a complete i386
> system rather than just a collection of libraries; you can keep it up
> to date using the usual tools, and even boot it if you desire.  i.e.
> you get all the normal security support and updates.
> 
> With multiarch, it's a different story, but we aren't quite there yet.
> 

My main use of 32-bit libraries is commercial software that is available for
32bit systems only. Yes, that's bad, but I can't do anything about that ATM. I'd
really hate to run (and maintain!) an additional chroot on each of those servers
just to run a single application. I do have i386 schroots on other systems, but
I prefer not to maintain that on each and every server. It might actually be a
bit of problem, because one of those commercial products is our backup
software...

Best,
Michael

Sune Vuorela | 1 Apr 09:03

Bug#522142: ITP: Qoreutils -- Coreutils reimplemented using Qt libraries

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Sune Vuorela <reportbug <at> pusling.com>

* Package name    : Qoreutils
  Version         : 1.0.0
  Upstream Author : John Doe <john <at> qoreutils.org>
* URL             : http://www.qoreutils.org/
* License         : GPL
  Programming Lang: C++ with Qt
  Description     : Coreutils reimplemented using Qt libraries

Qoreutils is a reimplementation of the classic tools from coreutils,
such as ls, mkdir and cp

I'm packaging this on behalf of the Debian Qt/KDE maintainers as a first
step towards making the Qt libraries Essential: yes and on the way to
take over the world.

Currently, the package will dpkg-divert all the implemented tools of
coreutils to shake out any remaining bugs and if any bugs found,  the
user can fall back to command.coreutils as a last way out. Within the
next couple of months, it will instead have replace/conflict/provides
coreutils and slowly push out coreutils from the most users machines.

/Sune

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Felipe Sateler | 1 Apr 10:47
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Re: Transitions update: some done, some ready, some starting

Adeodato Simó wrote:

> We’ll be also
> doing some Bin-NMUs to get rid of dependencies on obsolete
> jack-audio-connection-kit transitional packages

Should we file bugs against packages for build-depending on the wrong package,
so that we can drop the Provides later? Or just let it be for the time being?

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Felipe Sateler | 1 Apr 10:54
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Re: Transitions update: some done, some ready, some starting

Adeodato Simó wrote:

> We’ll be also
> doing some Bin-NMUs to get rid of dependencies on obsolete
> jack-audio-connection-kit transitional packages

Also, I think you can start the binNMUs now, since the shlibs file already point
to the libjack0 package.

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Adrian Knoth | 1 Apr 10:39
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Bug#522151: ITP: calf -- High quality open source audio plugins for musicians

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Adrian Knoth <adi <at> drcomp.erfurt.thur.de>

* Package name    : calf
  Version         : 0.0.18.3
* URL             : http://calf.sf.net/
* License         : GPL
  Programming Lang: C++
  Description     : High quality open source audio plugins for musicians

(Include the long description here.)

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Adeodato Simó | 1 Apr 11:09
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Re: Transitions update: some done, some ready, some starting

> > We’ll be also
> > doing some Bin-NMUs to get rid of dependencies on obsolete
> > jack-audio-connection-kit transitional packages

> Should we file bugs against packages for build-depending on the wrong package,
> so that we can drop the Provides later? Or just let it be for the time being?

You will need to file bugs at RC severity against jackbeat and
gst-plugins-bad0.10 ASAP, as I already mentioned in the previous mail.

For the rest, feel free to file bugs at minor severity; you’ll probably
want to usertag them, and to include a mention that libjack-dev is in
Lenny already. When there are no packages left in testing build-depending
on the old name, you can drop the provides.

> Also, I think you can start the binNMUs now, since the shlibs file already point
> to the libjack0 package.

Yes, I just need to find a bit of time to do it. I’ll get back to you
once I’ve scheduled them, so that you can track failures, etc.

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