Junichi Uekawa | 1 Oct 05:46 2005
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Re: pbuilder status update

Hi,

> > debootstrap test:
> > [FAIL] create-sid-debootstrap
> > [FAIL] build-sid-dsh
> > [FAIL] pdebuild-sid-dsh
> > [FAIL] pdebuild-internal-sid-dsh
> > [FAIL] create-etch-debootstrap
> > [FAIL] build-etch-dsh
> > [FAIL] pdebuild-etch-dsh
> > [FAIL] pdebuild-internal-etch-dsh
> > [FAIL] update-etch-sid.log
> > [FAIL] update-etch-sid-experimental.log
> 
> This suggests to me that you're not passing --resolve-deps to
> debootstrap, which will always be necessary for it to work reliably for
> unstable/testing.
> 
> Debootstrap has sucessfully installed unstable and testing in every one
> of my daily tests for at least the last three months.

Yes, I don't have --resolve-deps, in the hope that 
priorities are fixed by ftp-masters.

There needs to be a decision somewhere:
1. ignore priorities and go back to what it was before
 and make --resolve-deps the default in debootstrap
2. try to fix priorities/section

regards,
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Junichi Uekawa | 1 Oct 06:20 2005
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Re: mass bug filing on packages that are blocking use of cdebconf

Hi,

> This is your third and final reminder. I count 542 packages remaining,
> down only 9 from last month. I assume most of the people below do not
> read debian-devel, so I've taken the librerty of BCCing you all. :-P

It's not entirely clear from the posting, but all that's required 
on the maintainer part is to edit debian/control and change

	debconf
to
	debconf | debconf-2.0

I've tried to search for what debconf-2.0 specification is;
and how it's different from debconf, but it's not obvious.
What's missing from the picture is the changelog of debconf
specification (presumably from 1.0), and what's changed.

regards,
	junichi

Maurizio Lemmo - Tannoiser | 1 Oct 06:45 2005
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Re: mass bug filing on packages that are blocking use of cdebconf

* lunedì 26 settembre 2005, alle 19:57, Joey Hess scrive:
> Joey Hess wrote:
> > Just a reminder that these maintainers still have packages that depend
> > on debconf by itself without an alternate dependency on | debconf-2.0.
> > As I mentioned in my original post, I plan to file bugs on all of these
> > soon, which, omitting all the lg-issue* packages, comes to about 550
> > bugs.
> (Original post here:
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/08/msg00136.html)
> 
> This is your third and final reminder. I count 542 packages remaining,
> down only 9 from last month. I assume most of the people below do not
> read debian-devel, so I've taken the librerty of BCCing you all. :-P

Thank you Joey and sorry for that.
I'll prepare my package, and I'll ask my sponsor to upload it ASAP (i'm
a sponsored maintainer).

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Thomas Bushnell BSG | 1 Oct 08:34 2005
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bogus lintian warning


The lintian warning source-contains-CVS-dir is bogus.

I agree that upstream should not put CVS in their tarballs.  But
sometimes they do.

When they do, it is a violation of Debian standards to remove it from
the orig.tar.gz file.  So there is no question of doing that.

If you remove the CVS files from your unpacked build directory, that's
well and good, but dpkg-source refuses to honor this, printing helpful
messages like 
dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of directory stylesheet/CVS

Of course dpkg-source ignores these because the packaging manual says
that the .diff.gz can't specify deletions.  (Never mind that patch is
perfectly capable of handling deletions.)

So, it's a bogus warning.  It should be removed from lintian.

Thomas

Laszlo Boszormenyi | 1 Oct 08:48 2005
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Re: bogus lintian warning

On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 23:34 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> The lintian warning source-contains-CVS-dir is bogus.
 It is not.

> I agree that upstream should not put CVS in their tarballs.  But
> sometimes they do.
 Unfortunately.

> When they do, it is a violation of Debian standards to remove it from
> the orig.tar.gz file.  So there is no question of doing that.
 Where do you read that? May be true, but can't remember any place ATM.

> If you remove the CVS files from your unpacked build directory, that's
> well and good, but dpkg-source refuses to honor this, printing helpful
> messages like 
> dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of directory stylesheet/CVS
 That's correct. You should remove it from .orig.tar.gz .

> So, it's a bogus warning.  It should be removed from lintian.
 Changing the .orig.tar.gz is not forbidden. So the lintian warning can
stay IMHO. The same with .svn/ dirs, don't forget them if CVS/ is on
topic.

Regards,
Laszlo/GCS

Russ Allbery | 1 Oct 08:49 2005
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Re: bogus lintian warning

Thomas Bushnell BSG <tb <at> becket.net> writes:

> The lintian warning source-contains-CVS-dir is bogus.

> I agree that upstream should not put CVS in their tarballs.  But
> sometimes they do.

It's still useful for native packages, so it isn't completely bogus even
if one agrees with the point about non-native packages.  It would also be
a good idea to make sure such things didn't turn up in the diff (caused by
the Debian package maintainer importing the source into a revision control
system when packaging it and then not building the source package
properly, for instance).

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Thomas Bushnell BSG | 1 Oct 08:50 2005
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Re: bogus lintian warning

Laszlo Boszormenyi <gcs <at> lsc.hu> writes:

>> When they do, it is a violation of Debian standards to remove it from
>> the orig.tar.gz file.  So there is no question of doing that.

>  Where do you read that? May be true, but can't remember any place ATM.

What do you think "orig" means in "orig.tar.gz"?  We make a necessary
exception when an upstream tarball contains files that are not
DFSG-free (and then we relabel the name of the tarball accordingly);
otherwise, the whole *point* of the orig.tar.gz file is to be the
original upstream source.

>> If you remove the CVS files from your unpacked build directory, that's
>> well and good, but dpkg-source refuses to honor this, printing helpful
>> messages like 
>> dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of directory stylesheet/CVS

>  That's correct. You should remove it from .orig.tar.gz .

Hogwash.  It should not be removed at all.

Next will you be saying that other bugs in upstream packaging should
be marked by lintian?  

It is not a mistake to have a CVS directory; lintian is declaring a
standard for *upstream* authors packaging practices, not Debian.
Having a "no CVS" warning makes as much sense as requiring packages to
have a README and an INSTALL in the top-level source directory.  

It does make sense to warn against Debian developers who have *added*
a CVS directory not present in the upstream source, but that's a
different matter.

Thomas

Russ Allbery | 1 Oct 08:52 2005
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Re: bogus lintian warning

Laszlo Boszormenyi <gcs <at> lsc.hu> writes:
> On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 23:34 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:

>> When they do, it is a violation of Debian standards to remove it from
>> the orig.tar.gz file.  So there is no question of doing that.

>  Where do you read that? May be true, but can't remember any place ATM.

I assume the reference is to the Developer's Reference, section 6.7.8.2,
which says in part:

    There may be cases where it is desirable to repackage the source even
    though upstream distributes a .tar.gz that could in principle be used
    in its pristine form. The most obvious is if significant space savings
    can be achieved by recompressing the tar archive or by removing
    genuinely useless cruft from the upstream archive. Use your own
    discretion here, but be prepared to defend your decision if you
    repackage source that could have been pristine.

and the ftp-master reject FAQ, which says:

    Repackage orig.tar.gz
      Do not repackage your orig.tar.gz unless you have to. If you need to
      remove files due to license issues - OK. But for example to have the
      directory in the tarball named pkgname-ver you DO NOT repackage.
      dpkg-source completely doesn't care about that.

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Thomas Bushnell BSG | 1 Oct 08:52 2005
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Re: bogus lintian warning

Russ Allbery <rra <at> stanford.edu> writes:

> Thomas Bushnell BSG <tb <at> becket.net> writes:
>
>> The lintian warning source-contains-CVS-dir is bogus.
>
>> I agree that upstream should not put CVS in their tarballs.  But
>> sometimes they do.
>
> It's still useful for native packages, so it isn't completely bogus even
> if one agrees with the point about non-native packages.  It would also be
> a good idea to make sure such things didn't turn up in the diff (caused by
> the Debian package maintainer importing the source into a revision control
> system when packaging it and then not building the source package
> properly, for instance).

Quite right.

It is reasonable to warn about CVS directories that are not in the
upstream source.  (This includes, of course, native packages, since
there is no upstream source.)

It is also reasonable to warn about mentions of CVS files in patch
files, since dpkg-source -i can take care of those.

Those are different than the case I'm bothered by, and I have no
problem with those tests if they were to be added.

Thomas


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