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Felipe Almeida Lessa | 1 Mar 2004 01:21

Re: ITH: gdm -- GNOME Display Manager

Em Sáb, 2004-02-28 às 07:42, Mark Howard escreveu:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 06:48:24PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > I intend to hijack the GDM package.
> 
> Thank you Josselin. For those reading -devel who do not know, there have
> been numerous discussions about gdm on the debian-gtk-gnome mailing
> list (not recently, but many in the past). Many people have been unhappy
> with the state of the package and the huge delay (usually) between
> upstream releases and Debian packages. Ryan has, however done an
> excellent job with the package when he's had time - that's why it's
> taken so long for someone to be brave enough to offer to hijack it. 

As long as the new maintainer continues with the package quality, I can
see just advantages.  The lag of the updates is only thing I currently
don't like in gdm.  Everything else is in the finest state possible. 
Why can't the current maintainer (Ryan) become a co-maintainer with the
gnome team, while Josselin becomes the main maintainer?  This way Ryan
will still improve our lovely gdm when he has time, while everybody else
can work bringing us the bleeding edge gnome software.

	Cheers,
		Felipe Almeida Lessa.

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Kenshi Muto | 1 Mar 2004 01:33
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Re: [debian-printing] Packaging of vendor PPD files.


Hi Bernd,

At Mon, 1 Mar 2004 00:06:08 +0100,
Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 07:55:11AM +0900, Kenshi Muto wrote:
> > I'd like to keep main CUPS package is same as upstream.
> 
> So the real question is, why not include the vendor provided files in
> upstream cups in the fist place. At least it should be offered to them.

I'm not CUPS upstream, but IMHO upstream authors don't want to have
so many printer specific files, because their target is to create
good printing system base (and mainly for MacOS X).
So they looks want to delegate printer support to another softwares,
such as foomatic or printer vendor's.

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Matthew Palmer | 1 Mar 2004 01:19
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Re: Bug#235543: ITP: jaws -- JAWS is a simple framework designed to easily create websites. It comes with gadgets to create a personal web site (such a blog).

On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 05:52:36PM -0600, David Moreno Garza wrote:
> * Package name    : jaws
>   Version         : 0.2
>   Upstream Author : Jonathan Hernadez <ion <at> gluch.org.mx>
> * URL             : http://jaws-project.sf.net/
> * License         : GPL
>   Description     : JAWS is a simple framework designed to easily create websites. It comes with gadgets to
create a personal web site (such a blog).
> 
> JAWS is an eye-candy blog.

It may just be me, but I think you've got the short and long descriptions
around the wrong way.  And you're not really supposed to mention the package
name over and over again - we know what the package is, because it's in the
Package: field.

- Matt
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Joey Hess | 1 Mar 2004 01:55
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Re: Accepted localepurge 0.0.61 (all source)

Paul Seelig wrote:
>  localepurge (0.0.61) unstable; urgency=low
>  .
>    * Forgot to close the wishlist bug for switching to gettext-based
>      debconf templates by Martin Quinson fixed with the last upload.
>      (closes: #235491)
>  .
>    * Closing more bug reports:
>  .
>       - Explained via mail to bug reporter that localepurge's side effects as
>         described in it's documentation have to be considered when using it.
>         (closes: #228682)
>  .
>       - Due to a coding error localepurge used to be verbose about freed
>         space even when told not to. This has alread been fixed months
>         ago but i forgot closing this bug until now. (closes: #202302)

Paul, please limit your use of the changelog to documenting actual
changes made in the current release of your package. If you'd like some
documentation on how to close bugs without using the changelog, see
http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#closing

As far as I can see this "new" version of localepurge is 100% identical
to the old, and yet I now have to download it again, and waste disk
space with mentions of non-bugs such as #228682.

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Björn Stenberg | 1 Mar 2004 01:58
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Re: Why is package X not in testing yet?

Richard B. Kreckel wrote:
> Why does the presence of a source package "cln" not
> override the whole irritation???

Because the script was buggy. Fixed now.

> I find this report even more irritating:
>   <http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=ginac>
> 
> There it claims: "Updating ginac makes 1 packages uninstallable on alpha:
> ginac".  Huh?!?  Now it's talking about uninstallable source packages!?!

Yeah, that's a feature. The list of uninstallable packages can grow very long when all binaries are listed,
making it hard to see which source packages are having problems. Someone asked me to filter the list and
just show the source packages, so that's what the script currently does.

> Also, I could have sworn that last week one of these two packages (cannot
> tell which one) was marked as "is going in today".  Which hasn't happend
> so far!  Also, the mark has mysteriously vanished.

I can't comment on that, since I haven't seen the data (and I don't save old data). However you should keep in
mind that my script doesn't draw its' own conclusions about why something is blocked or when it is going in.
It only reformats the data that the 'katie' scripts produce.

If/when you doubt the correctness of the script's output, it's best to verify with the information
straight from the source:
  http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_output.txt
  http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html

I welcome both bug reports and suggestions for improvement.
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Evan Prodromou | 1 Mar 2004 02:27
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Re: ITH: gdm -- GNOME Display Manager

>>>>> "NN" == Nathanael Nerode <neroden <at> twcny.rr.com> writes:

    MR> In my opinion, "serious objection" to Josselin Mouette
    MR> proposal have no ground if we are talking about procedure.

    Me> Sorry, but I'm unaware of any other discussions joss <at>  has had
    Me> with Ryan. I don't think a post on d-d really counts as making
    Me> contact with the current maintainer.

    NN> Why precisely do you think *you* would be aware of such
    NN> discussions?

One way would be for joss <at>  to note that he'd had those discussions in
his original ITH message. If he had, I probably wouldn't have even
noticed the message.

    NN> According to the procedure quoted from the developers'
    NN> reference, they can take place privately.

Absolutely! d-d is too noisy as it is, without getting cc'd on every
inter-developer email.

joss <at>  asked for objections to his idea. My objection was that he
should probably make sure through private email that rmurray was
really unavailable before adopting the package. From his d-d ITH post,
it didn't sound like he'd done that, but subsequent posts imply that
he has.

I'm not crazy about the idea of hijacking packages -- my reading of
procedure says that debian-qa should take over unmaintained packages
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Craig Small | 1 Mar 2004 02:38
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Re: [debian-printing] Packaging of vendor PPD files.

On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 02:15:37PM +0000, Roger Leigh wrote:
> What would be the best package to place these in?  Would inclusion in
> the main CUPS package, or as a cupsys-driver-epson-laser package be
> appropriate?  Or do PPD files have a wider use with software other
> than CUPS?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Roger
> 
> (CUPS, LPRng and Foomatic maintainers CCd)

LPRng is only a printer spooler so it doesn't have any PPDs itself.  
Wouldn't they go into a specific foomatic package? HP ijs has something
similar.

 - Craig
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Steve Langasek | 1 Mar 2004 02:54
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Re: Why is package X not in testing yet?

On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 01:58:09AM +0100, Björn Stenberg wrote:
> > I find this report even more irritating:
> >   <http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=ginac>

> > There it claims: "Updating ginac makes 1 packages uninstallable on alpha:
> > ginac".  Huh?!?  Now it's talking about uninstallable source packages!?!

> Yeah, that's a feature. The list of uninstallable packages can grow 
> very long when all binaries are listed, making it hard to see which 
> source packages are having problems. Someone asked me to filter the 
> list and just show the source packages, so that's what the script 
> currently does.

This seems like an unfortunate regression to me; in a case where only
one binary package is made uninstallable, and this binary package comes
from a source package that produces dozens of binary packages, surely it
would be better to say which binaries in particular are uninstallable?

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Steve Langasek | 1 Mar 2004 02:59
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Re: Why is package X not in testing yet?

On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 12:10:00AM +0100, Richard B. Kreckel wrote:
> Also, I could have sworn that last week one of these two packages (cannot
> tell which one) was marked as "is going in today".  Which hasn't happend
> so far!  Also, the mark has mysteriously vanished.

> Can somebody please enlighten me as to how to edge these two packages into
> testing?

By getting a member of the release team to hint the packages through (as
Björn suggested).  Mailing debian-release is probably the best way to
accomplish this, but occasionally, posting questions to debian-devel
will also get the job done. ;)

  easy cln/1.1.6-1 ginac/1.1.6-1

These packages should make it into testing on the 2nd.

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David Moreno Garza | 1 Mar 2004 03:25
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Bug#235552: ITP: jaws -- Just Another Weblog System

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist

* Package name    : jaws
  Version         : 0.2
  Upstream Author : Jonathan Hernandez <ion <at> gluch.org.mx>
* URL             : http://jaws-project.sf.net
* License         : GPL
  Description     : Just Another Weblog System

JAWS is a simple framework designed to easily create websites. It comes with gadgets to create a personal
website (such a blog).

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Debian Release: testing/unstable
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  APT policy: (500, 'unstable')
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Kernel: Linux 2.6.3
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C
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