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Odd Martin Baanrud | 8 Dec 2007 12:35

Orca on Debian

Hello,

I'm interested in trying out Orca on Debian.
I'm going to do a fresh installation of Debian Lenny.
I've checked the Orca website, but I don't find any Debian-related information.
So, I have some questions:

Is it possible to enable orca on the first boot after install??
If so, how?
Since I need to use BRLTTY durring the installation, how will that effect Orca?
Can I use Orca in terminals under X?
Does Orca have the same cut/copy/paste-functions as Speakup?
Can Orca be used in combination with BRLTTY/Speakup, or do I need to 
run it as a stand-alone screen reader?

Regards, Martin
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Mario Lang | 8 Dec 2007 14:18
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Re: Orca on Debian

Odd Martin Baanrud <martin <at> priv.la5ska.net> writes:

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> So, I have some questions:
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> Is it possible to enable orca on the first boot after install??

I am afrsaid you have to manually install orca by running
"apt-get install gnome-orca" after your first boot.

> Since I need to use BRLTTY durring the installation, how will that effect Orca?

Orca needs BRLTTY to do braille output anyway, so to answer
your question, brltty has a positive effect on orca :-).

> Can I use Orca in terminals under X?

You can use Orca with gnome-terminal.

> Does Orca have the same cut/copy/paste-functions as Speakup?

No, Orca has no cut/copy/paste functionality by itself, you
use what GNOME and/or X11 provide to you.

> Can Orca be used in combination with BRLTTY/Speakup, or do I need to
> run it as a stand-alone screen reader?

Orca communicates with BRLTTY, so yes they interoperate.
If you switch to a text console, BRLTTY will automatically
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Odd Martin Baanrud | 8 Dec 2007 21:23

Re: Orca on Debian

Hello Mario, and thanks for your reply.

I've now tried to install the Lenny version of Debian, but I got some 
problems, so I switched back to Etch.
I wanted to try Lenny, because it has gnome-orca in the pool.
Will it also be available in the Etch pool?

So now, I have some more questions, and this time they are Debian spesific.
:-)

How can I get gnome-orca on Etch?
Do I need to take it from Lenny, or is it another source I can get it 
from with apt?
When it is installed, will it run automatically, or do I need to 
start it manualy?
Which packages do I need to get speech with Orca?
And, will it work right out of the box, or do I need to configure something?

Regards, Martin
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Jan and Bertil Smark Nilsson | 9 Dec 2007 13:29
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Re: Orca on Debian

Greetings,

On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Odd Martin Baanrud wrote:

> Hello Mario, and thanks for your reply.
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> I've now tried to install the Lenny version of Debian, but I got some 
> problems, so I switched back to Etch.
> I wanted to try Lenny, because it has gnome-orca in the pool.

Why don't you just change your sources.list from etch to lenny and do

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

That should take care of it for you. You can then install orca as set out 
by Mario.

Good luck!

Bertil
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Odd Martin Baanrud | 13 Dec 2007 13:23

Re: Orca on Debian

Hello Mario,

I've now successfully upgraded to Debian Lenny.

I've installed Orca, I log into Gnome and press Alt+F2 as described 
on the Orca website, I type "orca", and nothing happends.
Do I mis something important here, or is it a problem with 
brltty/orca in combination?

Regards, Martin
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Andor Demarteau | 13 Dec 2007 13:42
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Re: Orca on Debian

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Odd Martin Baanrud wrote:

 > Hello Mario,
 > 
 > I've now successfully upgraded to Debian Lenny.
 > 
 > I've installed Orca, I log into Gnome and press Alt+F2 as described on the
 > Orca website, I type "orca", and nothing happends.
 > Do I mis something important here, or is it a problem with brltty/orca in
 > combination?
cehck if your /etc/brlapi.key is readable for the user which is runnign 
orca.
At least for me that solved the problem.

 > Regards, Martin
 > 
 > 
 > 

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Odd Martin Baanrud | 14 Dec 2007 05:23

Re: Orca on Debian

Hello Andor,

At 13:42 13.12.2007, you wrote:

>cehck if your /etc/brlapi.key is readable for the user which is runnign
>orca.

It is.

>At least for me that solved the problem.

But not for me.
:-)

Do I need to get sighted help to configure Gnome before I can enter 
the Gnome terminal?
I've not done anything with Gnome after the install, I just log in 
and type Alt+F2.

BTW, I'm using BRLTTY 3.7.2.
Can this version be a part of the problem?

Regards, Martin
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Jason White | 14 Dec 2007 05:50
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Re: Orca on Debian

On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 05:23:15AM +0100, Odd Martin Baanrud wrote:

> I've not done anything with Gnome after the install, I just log in and type 
> Alt+F2.

Did you run orca --setup from the shell (with BRLTTY running, of course)? If
not, try that.
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> BTW, I'm using BRLTTY 3.7.2.
> Can this version be a part of the problem?

I don't know, but if you want to experiment with Orca I would suggest
upgrading everything to the latest Debian Sid packages, as Orca and Gnome
accessibility have been evolving rapidly.
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Odd Martin Baanrud | 14 Dec 2007 08:54

Re: Orca on Debian

Hello Jason,

At 05:50 14.12.2007, you wrote:

>Did you run orca --setup from the shell (with BRLTTY running, of course)? If
>not, try that.

I have tried that now, and still nothing happends.

Martin
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Andor Demarteau | 14 Dec 2007 09:41
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Re: Orca on Debian

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Odd Martin Baanrud wrote:
Marin,
 > Hello Jason,
 > 
 > At 05:50 14.12.2007, you wrote:
 > 
 > >Did you run orca --setup from the shell (with BRLTTY running, of course)? If
 > >not, try that.
 > 
 > I have tried that now, and still nothing happends.
okay so:
- brltty is installed and brlapi in brltty is enabled (as I compile it 
myself I'm not sure about the debian package)
- /etc/brlapi.key exists, is not mepty and user readable
- orca-setup is set to braille support on (braille-monitor is something 
else so you don't need that)

note: in ngome 2.20 which I am running I sometimes have an extra dialog 
which popsup before the desktop itself is loaded.
I ahve the foggiest idea what it is about, only that I ahve to nose-touch 
the screen to follow my mousepointer to get it away :)

If you have no sight at all, ask soemone about it.

In generla the above spes should work but as Jason suggest, do upgrade to 
at least gnome 2.20 orca 2.20 or maybe even 2.21 (not sure it that'll 
work) and brltty 3.9

 > Martin 
 >
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