Mario Lang | 7 Jun 23:45 2007
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Accessibility Popularity Contest

Hi.

As some of you might know already, Debian has a opt-in
system to determine package popularity[1].

Below is an excerpt of todays popcon data (by_inst.gz) filtered
for all the accessibility related packages.  I am sure I have
missed some, so let me know if your favourite package is missing.
Also note that some (actually, many) of the packages in the list
below are infrastructure software that the typical user does
not install directly, but which is pulled in by some
other packages as a dependency.

Some of the packages listed are very new, some of them are only
available in sid (unstable) currently, so their install
count is obviously not representative for the software popularity.
I.e., all of this is to be taken with a lot of salt.
But the data is still interesting.  If you are using some sort
of accessibility software on Debian, take this mail as a reminder
to maybe consider installing package `popularity-contest'
if you haven't done so yet.

Rank has not been reordered, so it represents the overall ranking
related to all other (not shown) packages.

#Format
#   
#<name> is the package name;
#<inst> is the number of people who installed this package;
#<vote> is the number of people who use this package regularly;
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Mario Lang | 7 Jun 23:55 2007
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What to do with Gnopernicus?

Hi.

I am trying to get feedback on what we should do with
gnopernicus for the lenny release.  Apparently, development
of gnopernicus has been discontinued upstream, all GNOME
accessibility manpower seems to go towards developing
orca these days, and the BAUM Retec AG team seems to have
stopped maintaining it in August 2006.

Is anyone actually still using it for someting?
Should we keep the package around for Lenny?
If so, how do we ensure it is maintained properly?  Any volunteers
for maintaining it upstream?  One of the jobs that is coming up
is to migrate the ttybrl.c code from brlapi from brltty 3.7.2 to
the upcoming 3.8 packages.  I expect other maintainance jobs
like keeping the magnification code compatible with gnome-mag
changes and so on.

Or shall we rather orphan gnopernicus and "migrate" the remaining
users (if anyy) to orca somehow?

I guess adding a warning about discontinued development and
a suggestion to try out gnome-orca to the gnopernicus package
description might be a first step towards a migration.
What do others think?

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Jason White | 25 Jun 08:07 2007
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Latest Gnome 2.18 and Orca packages for Debian?

I'm interested in setting up Orca for the purpose of testing upcoming
alpha/beta releases of Mozilla, using BRLTTY for braille output.

I'm not sure when I'll have time to work on this, but my main question is as
to the best source of up to date Gnome and Orca Debian packages. Also, is
anyone packaging Firefox 3 alpha/beta versions for testing?

Kartik Mistry | 25 Jun 10:52 2007
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Re: Latest Gnome 2.18 and Orca packages for Debian?

On 6/25/07, Jason White <jasonw <at> ariel.its.unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
> I'm interested in setting up Orca for the purpose of testing upcoming
> alpha/beta releases of Mozilla, using BRLTTY for braille output.
>
> I'm not sure when I'll have time to work on this, but my main question is as
> to the best source of up to date Gnome and Orca Debian packages. Also, is
> anyone packaging Firefox 3 alpha/beta versions for testing?

Hi,

gnome-orca is already in Debian unstable. You can even get 2.19.x from
experimental too.

No idea about Firefox 3 though.

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Jason White | 25 Jun 12:22 2007
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Re: Latest Gnome 2.18 and Orca packages for Debian?

On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 04:28:13PM +1000, bart <at> skybridge.com.au wrote:
> At the moment your probably better to run orca out of svn as it's
> updating very quickly, especially the firefox support.
> 
> The same goes for firefox the nightly builds are probably the best as
> it also is changing quickly and offen accessibility bugs are fixed.

That leaves the Gnome packages themselves. Do you run these from Experimental?

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Re: Latest Gnome 2.18 and Orca packages for Debian?


On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, Jason White wrote:

> I'm interested in setting up Orca for the purpose of testing upcoming
> alpha/beta releases of Mozilla, using BRLTTY for braille output.

Gnome 2.18 is available on unstable. However, it's advisable to use the 
svn version of Orca since improvements are being made all the time. 
http://svn.gnome.org/svn/orca/trunk orca

> I'm not sure when I'll have time to work on this, but my main question is as
> to the best source of up to date Gnome and Orca Debian packages. Also, is
> anyone packaging Firefox 3 alpha/beta versions for testing?

Even with Firefox things are happening all the time. I tend to download 
the latest alfa version from

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/

Regards,

Bertil

Jason White | 27 Jun 03:43 2007
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Re: Latest Gnome 2.18 and Orca packages for Debian?

Thanks to all for the good advice.

Once a few other matters are sorted out, I'll upgrade to the latest Gnome
packages, obtain Orca from svn and install it.

Sebastian Dellit | 28 Jun 08:37 2007
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brltty empty directory

Hoppa Debian readers,

I try to install brltty on my Debian amd64 Lenny/sid system. after

#aptitude install brltty

the brltty directory /etc/brltty is empty and no configurations file
exist on /etc/brltty.conf.

What happens?

Thanks and
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Sebastian Dellit | 28 Jun 08:38 2007
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swift and brltty

Hoppa Debian readers,

can brltty work with the swift engine?

Thanks and
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Jason White | 28 Jun 08:52 2007
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Re: brltty empty directory

On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 08:37:15AM +0200, Sebastian Dellit wrote:

> I try to install brltty on my Debian amd64 Lenny/sid system. after
> 
> #aptitude install brltty
> 
> the brltty directory /etc/brltty is empty and no configurations file
> exist on /etc/brltty.conf.
> 
> What happens?

I don't know. Run aptitude purge brltty and then download BRLTTY 3.8 from
http://www.mielke.cc/brltty/ and install it from the source archive.

The Debian package appears to be still BRLTTY 3.72, whereas version 3.8 has
now been released.


Gmane