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Mario Fux | 2 Mar 2004 10:09
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Festival with Gnopernicus to quick

Hello and goog morning

ATM I test Gnopernicus with Festival for a visually impaired friend.
I use Debian testing on different machines but on each of them the festival 
voices speak to quick. I think approx. twice as quick as normal.

Do you have got an idea why this is so and how I can set it to a normal speed?

Thx for possible answers.

Greets from Switzerland
Mario

PS: Thanks Mario for your work on Gnopernicus (and others) on Debian.
PPS: Mario: Do you know when you can package newer Gnopernicus versions 
(0.7.5)?
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Mario Lang | 2 Mar 2004 11:51
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Re: Festival with Gnopernicus to quick

Mario Fux <foxman <at> lugo.ch> writes:

> ATM I test Gnopernicus with Festival for a visually impaired friend.
> I use Debian testing on different machines but on each of them the festival 
> voices speak to quick. I think approx. twice as quick as normal.

Just a wild guess, but is it possible that it isn't only just quicker,
but also higher?  I mean, does it sound like it's being played
back with double-speed?  If so, your sound-card is most
probably the problem:
Some soundchips do not allow for intermediate sampling-rates
except 11025, 22050 and 44100.  Festival's voices are
recorded at 8000 and 16000Hz.  If you play such a sample
on such a soundcard, it does sound as if it was played twice as fast.

> Do you have got an idea why this is so and how I can set it to a normal
> speed?

If my above assumption is correct, I'm afraid the only
soltuion you have is to get a decent soundchip.

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gcasse | 2 Mar 2004 12:56

Re: Festival with Gnopernicus to quick

Hi,

>> festival voices speak to quick. I think approx. twice as quick as normal.

There is a page in the Festival FAQ concerning this issue:

http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/cgi-bin/lists.cgi?config=festival_faq&entry=arunning_festival/speed.html

Greetings,

Gilles

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Mario Fux | 2 Mar 2004 13:18
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Re: Festival with Gnopernicus to quick

Am Dienstag, 2. März 2004 11.51 schrieb Mario Lang:
> Mario Fux <foxman <at> lugo.ch> writes:

Salve Mario

> > ATM I test Gnopernicus with Festival for a visually impaired friend.
> > I use Debian testing on different machines but on each of them the
> > festival voices speak to quick. I think approx. twice as quick as normal.
>
> Just a wild guess, but is it possible that it isn't only just quicker,
> but also higher?  I mean, does it sound like it's being played
> back with double-speed?  If so, your sound-card is most
> probably the problem:
> Some soundchips do not allow for intermediate sampling-rates
> except 11025, 22050 and 44100.  Festival's voices are
> recorded at 8000 and 16000Hz.  If you play such a sample
> on such a soundcard, it does sound as if it was played twice as fast.

Yes, exactly this is or better was the problem.

> > Do you have got an idea why this is so and how I can set it to a normal
> > speed?
>
> If my above assumption is correct, I'm afraid the only
> soltuion you have is to get a decent soundchip.

Fortunately it's not the only solution. See the link of Gilles (btw: Nice to 
see you here, Gilles and thanks of course ;-):
http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/cgi-bin/lists.cgi?config=festival_faq&entry=arunning_festival/speed.html
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Mario Lang | 2 Mar 2004 14:11
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Re: Festival with Gnopernicus to quick

Mario Fux <foxman <at> lugo.ch> writes:

> Am Dienstag, 2. März 2004 11.51 schrieb Mario Lang:
>> Mario Fux <foxman <at> lugo.ch> writes:
>
> Salve Mario
>
>> > ATM I test Gnopernicus with Festival for a visually impaired friend.
>> > I use Debian testing on different machines but on each of them the
>> > festival voices speak to quick. I think approx. twice as quick as normal.
>>
>> Just a wild guess, but is it possible that it isn't only just quicker,
>> but also higher?  I mean, does it sound like it's being played
>> back with double-speed?  If so, your sound-card is most
>> probably the problem:
>> Some soundchips do not allow for intermediate sampling-rates
>> except 11025, 22050 and 44100.  Festival's voices are
>> recorded at 8000 and 16000Hz.  If you play such a sample
>> on such a soundcard, it does sound as if it was played twice as fast.
>
> Yes, exactly this is or better was the problem.
>
>> > Do you have got an idea why this is so and how I can set it to a normal
>> > speed?
>>
>> If my above assumption is correct, I'm afraid the only
>> soltuion you have is to get a decent soundchip.
>
> Fortunately it's not the only solution. See the link of Gilles (btw: Nice to 
> see you here, Gilles and thanks of course ;-):
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Mario Fux | 2 Mar 2004 14:05
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Re: Festival with Gnopernicus to quick

Am Dienstag, 2. März 2004 14.11 schrieb Mario Lang:

Salve again

[snip]

> > Fortunately it's not the only solution. See the link of Gilles (btw: Nice
> > to see you here, Gilles and thanks of course ;-):
> > http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/cgi-bin/lists.cgi?config=festival_faq&entry=arun
> >ning_festival/speed.html
>
> Ahh, great, I should have thought about this one, given
> the high level of configurability offered by festival.

;-)

> > For documentation or archive purposes here the solution:
> > Put the following two lines into /etc/festival.scm
> > (Parameter.set 'Audio_Method 'Audio_Command)
> > (Parameter.set 'Audio_Command "sox -t raw -sw -r $SR $FILE -c2 -t
> > ossdsp /dev/dsp")
> > and then restart festival with:
> > /etc/init.d/festival
> >
> > This is perhaps something for the README.Debian of the gnopernicus
> > package or better for festival?
>
> Definitely festival.  Are you going to file a wishlist bug (+patch)
> or should I?
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Mario Lang | 2 Mar 2004 16:46
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Re: Festival with Gnopernicus to quick

Mario Fux <foxman <at> lugo.ch> writes:

>> > I think this is rather a common behavior because I've got here atm three
>> > PCs (2 PCs and a laptop). One works (Debian woody and soundcard Creative
>> > Audigy) and two doesn't work (Laptop: Debian sarge and soundcard i810 or
>> > something - 2nd PC: Debian sarge and soundcard C-Media PCI (CMI8338/8738)
>> > onboard).
>>
>> I knew that the i810 onboard card has this problem.  It is
>> also common to some laptop brands.  However, not being able to playback
>> odd sampling rates is still a very bad thing for a soundcard
>> to do, since digital resampling is not very nice.
>> My laptop for instance (JVC MP-XP7250DE) had a Trident card, which
>> does nicely work with odd sampling rating, and also supports
>> multichannel operations.
>> I'd still try and get a decent soundchip if possible.
>> In the case of festival, it's not that hard to fix, but
>> if you're going to use commercial synths at some point
>> (e.g. DECtalk or ViaVoice), you'll probably have a hard
>> time getting software-resampling to work.
>
> That doesn't sounds good because I'm interested in DECTalk together with 
> Gnopernicus. Is there (beneath the soundcard problem) an easy way to 
> configure Debians Gnopernicus with DECTalk?

Right now, I'm afraid there is none.  The problem here is that drivers
for DECtalk software speech require the DECtalk library header files,
which are not available for free.  Therefore, package gnome-speech
(which is actually the package responsible for gnopernicus's speech output
backend) can't be shipped with DECtalk drivers precompiled.
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Mario Fux | 2 Mar 2004 17:44
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Re: Festival with Gnopernicus to quick

Am Dienstag, 2. März 2004 16.46 schrieb Mario Lang:

Salve Mario

[snip]

> > That doesn't sounds good because I'm interested in DECTalk together with
> > Gnopernicus. Is there (beneath the soundcard problem) an easy way to
> > configure Debians Gnopernicus with DECTalk?

[Detailed guidance]

> It would be desireable to work out a procedure to make this work
> with something like apt-src, but I have no time for this at the moment.
> Help is very welcome in this area.

IC, but I think I'm not the right person for this atm.

> > Another question:
> > ATM I know that gedit works good with Gnopernicus and Nautilus too. Do
> > you know a good IDE (perhaps Eclipse) and a terminal (which speaks the
> > command output too) for the work together with Gnopernicus (the speech
> > part)?
>
> I'm afraid terminal apps do not work very well with gnopernicus at this
> point. You might be better of running your terminal apps inside of some
> pty screen reader like yasr or screader.

Thanks for the hint I'll see what I can do. The person who wants to work with 
Gnopericus needs the terminal to see e.g. the java compiler error messages.
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Mario Fux | 2 Mar 2004 17:27

Re: Festival with Gnopernicus to quick

Am Dienstag, 2. März 2004 16.46 schrieb Mario Lang:

Salve Mario

[snip]

> > That doesn't sounds good because I'm interested in DECTalk together with
> > Gnopernicus. Is there (beneath the soundcard problem) an easy way to
> > configure Debians Gnopernicus with DECTalk?

[Detailed guidance]

> It would be desireable to work out a procedure to make this work
> with something like apt-src, but I have no time for this at the moment.
> Help is very welcome in this area.

IC, but I think I'm not the right person for this atm.

> > Another question:
> > ATM I know that gedit works good with Gnopernicus and Nautilus too. Do
> > you know a good IDE (perhaps Eclipse) and a terminal (which speaks the
> > command output too) for the work together with Gnopernicus (the speech
> > part)?
>
> I'm afraid terminal apps do not work very well with gnopernicus at this
> point. You might be better of running your terminal apps inside of some
> pty screen reader like yasr or screader.

Thanks for the hint I'll see what I can do. The person who wants to work with 
Gnopericus needs the terminal to see e.g. the java compiler error messages.
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Leonardo Pistone | 2 Mar 2004 21:56

speaking emacs

Hello Mario, hello list,

my name is Leo, nice to meet you.

I love emacs (i use it for almost everything) and I'd really like to get
it speech-enabled. I have this general question: what is missing and
what can be done in a reasonable time? for example, is festival good
for that? I know it only has english and czeck open voices, but that is
not a long-term problem. Indeed, has it got any big problem like high
latency or the like? 

And what do you think of the new, cleaner interface speech-dispatcher?

The other issue is that emacs/w3 seems quite bad and unmantained, a
better bet could be integrating links2, for example.

In the next months i'll be working on an open italian voice for
festival. What else do you think needs to be done to get all
debian/festival/emacs/browser reasonably working?

cheers,

leo
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