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Bari Ari | 1 Sep 2005 05:02

Re: Open Gaming Console

Adam Talbot wrote:
> Would there be any thing wrong with using something along the lines of a 
> SFF based computer. Something like.
> http://global.shuttle.com/Product/barebone/brb_OverView.asp?B_id=26
> 
> Some of the older systems are cheap, and we dont need buy/build a nice 
> case and power supply. The box comes in at around $180 for the case, 
> power supply and motherboard. I dont think we will be able to build an 
> itx based system for less. These systems are very fast and allows for us 
> to use any graphics card we want. Just an idea.

It's great, except that socket A cpu's are about to totally disappear 
from production. Here are the current AMD roadmaps and status:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_609,00.html?redir=CPT301

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_608,00.html

Look at socket 754 based systems for a bit more life. Semprons look like 
the current bargains.

Any input from AMD on the cpu sweet spots for the next year?

-Bari

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Justin Cormack | 1 Sep 2005 11:30

Re: Open Gaming Console


On 1 Sep 2005, at 04:02, Bari Ari wrote:

> Adam Talbot wrote:
>
>> Would there be any thing wrong with using something along the  
>> lines of a SFF based computer. Something like.
>> http://global.shuttle.com/Product/barebone/brb_OverView.asp?B_id=26
>> Some of the older systems are cheap, and we dont need buy/build a  
>> nice case and power supply. The box comes in at around $180 for  
>> the case, power supply and motherboard. I dont think we will be  
>> able to build an itx based system for less. These systems are very  
>> fast and allows for us to use any graphics card we want. Just an  
>> idea.
>>
>
> It's great, except that socket A cpu's are about to totally  
> disappear from production. Here are the current AMD roadmaps and  
> status:

Except the Geode NX (which is basically the old Athlon mobile) which  
is staying in socket A it seems
http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/ 
0,,50_2330_9863_10837%5E10858,00.html

Justin

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Narahari, Narasimhaiah (IE10 | 1 Sep 2005 11:45
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Building Linuxbiosv2


Hi everyone,

I could build the LinuxBIOSv2 on cygwin, but it is asking for some payload to build the eventual image, linuxbios.rom.

This is the error it gives while executing the last build step,
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i386-elf-objcopy --gap-fill 0xff -O binary linuxbios linuxbios.strip                            --> Linuxbios.strip generated

./buildrom linuxbios.strip linuxbios.rom ../../../payloads/tg3--ide_disk.zelf 0x14000 0x60000
../../../payloads/tg3--ide_disk.zelf: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** [linuxbios.rom] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/cygdrive/d/LinuxBIOSv2/targets/amd/solo/solo/normal'
make: *** [normal/linuxbios.rom] Error 1
**********************************************************************************************************************
Can any body tell me where do I get this payload image (tg3--ide_disk.zelf )?

I have got one more small question.
Can we boot the windows 2000 using the image build of LinuxBIOSv2 sources?
Does it need any other stuffs like ADLOBochs or something?

With regards,
Narahari 

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Adam Talbot | 1 Sep 2005 19:33
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Re: Open Gaming Console

I have no problems with a 939 based board.  The major problem there is 
the nForce 4 chipset. Most of the 939 SFF are based of the Nforce 
chips.  So far i think linux bios has never run on a nForce based 
board.  Is that correct?
-Adam

Justin Cormack wrote:

>
> On 1 Sep 2005, at 04:02, Bari Ari wrote:
>
>> Adam Talbot wrote:
>>
>>> Would there be any thing wrong with using something along the  lines 
>>> of a SFF based computer. Something like.
>>> http://global.shuttle.com/Product/barebone/brb_OverView.asp?B_id=26
>>> Some of the older systems are cheap, and we dont need buy/build a  
>>> nice case and power supply. The box comes in at around $180 for  the 
>>> case, power supply and motherboard. I dont think we will be  able to 
>>> build an itx based system for less. These systems are very  fast and 
>>> allows for us to use any graphics card we want. Just an  idea.
>>>
>>
>> It's great, except that socket A cpu's are about to totally  
>> disappear from production. Here are the current AMD roadmaps and  
>> status:
>
>
> Except the Geode NX (which is basically the old Athlon mobile) which  
> is staying in socket A it seems
> http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/ 
> 0,,50_2330_9863_10837%5E10858,00.html
>
> Justin
>
>

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Arc | 1 Sep 2005 19:52
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Re: Open Gaming Console

On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 10:33:22AM -0700, Adam Talbot wrote:
> I have no problems with a 939 based board.  The major problem there is 
> the nForce 4 chipset. Most of the 939 SFF are based of the Nforce 
> chips.  So far i think linux bios has never run on a nForce based 
> board.  Is that correct?

That's less of an issue than their hardware accelerated 3d support being 
only available through proprietary drivers.  That nice GPU is worthless 
on a game console if you can't boot with it, but instead have some 
cheesy 2d splash screen while the system boots to the point that the 
nVidia drivers and X11 can load.

That's one reason why VIA is a better option, and why we need to support 
them.  Unlike nVidia, it's possible to build a 3d bootloader which 
doesn't require a full "boot" to get you through the first screen or 
two.  It's also possible to build support directly into the kernel 
making booting faster.  

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Richard Smith | 1 Sep 2005 20:53
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Re: Open Gaming Console

> That's less of an issue than their hardware accelerated 3d support being
> only available through proprietary drivers.  That nice GPU is worthless

An "Open" gaming console that depends on proprietary drivers is
probally not a good marketing tool.  *grin*

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Doug Bell | 1 Sep 2005 23:28

mmx problems on VIA EPIA-SP resolved


We are working on VIA EPIA-SP with C3-2 processsor and have resolved
problems related to the use of the mmx as seen in the
auto.inc. The code was hanging unless we used -mno-mmx in Config.lb. 

We then modified /src/cpu/via/model_centaur_init.c cpu_table[] to
include 
{X86_VENDOR_CENTAUR, 0698},   // VIA C3 Nehemiah

If anyone else is doing work on this board please let us know! Our code
isn't far enough along to check in.

Some questions remain:

1) Is the C3-2 supported yet? What's needed to add? 

2) Which if any of the LinuxBIOS v2 via boards ( epia, epia-m ) in
subversion are building AND booting?  Has anyone done DRAM init using
SPD under v2? 

Doug Bell - NXTV

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Li-Ta Lo | 1 Sep 2005 23:45

Re: mmx problems on VIA EPIA-SP resolved

On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 14:28 -0700, Doug Bell wrote:
> 
> We are working on VIA EPIA-SP with C3-2 processsor and have resolved
> problems related to the use of the mmx as seen in the
> auto.inc. The code was hanging unless we used -mno-mmx in Config.lb. 
> 
> We then modified /src/cpu/via/model_centaur_init.c cpu_table[] to
> include 
> {X86_VENDOR_CENTAUR, 0698},   // VIA C3 Nehemiah
> 
> If anyone else is doing work on this board please let us know! Our code
> isn't far enough along to check in.
> 
> 
> 
> Some questions remain:
> 
> 
> 1) Is the C3-2 supported yet? What's needed to add? 
> 
> 2) Which if any of the LinuxBIOS v2 via boards ( epia, epia-m ) in
> subversion are building AND booting?  Has anyone done DRAM init using
> SPD under v2? 
> 

EPIA should use SPD in V2. It is not very stable for some unknown 
reason.

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Peter Stuge | 2 Sep 2005 09:45

Re: Building Linuxbiosv2

On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 02:45:04AM -0700, Narahari, Narasimhaiah (IE10) wrote:
> Can any body tell me where do I get this payload image
> (tg3--ide_disk.zelf)?

You can create one at http://www.rom-o-matic.net/

//Peter

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Lu, Yinghai | 2 Sep 2005 18:26
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RE: Building Linuxbiosv2

I don't think so, That web only for normal BIOS payloads?

He need to download the source code, and set the option to LinuxBIOS and
compile it.

http://www.linuxbios.org/index.php/Etherboot

YH

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Subject: Re: [LinuxBIOS] Building Linuxbiosv2

On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 02:45:04AM -0700, Narahari, Narasimhaiah (IE10)
wrote:
> Can any body tell me where do I get this payload image
> (tg3--ide_disk.zelf)?

You can create one at http://www.rom-o-matic.net/

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