Michael Still | 1 Mar 01:19 2005

Re: About a User Conference (was...)

Anand Kumria wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 01:20:27PM +0800, Tim Bowden wrote:
> 
>>On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 15:03 +1100, Anand Kumria wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 08:53:46AM +1100, Michael Still wrote:
>>>
>>>>>- the world needs a introductory user conference in AU
>>>
>>>That's debatable but let's assume you are correct for now.
>>
>>There has been enough noise to indicate a very good chance that a user
>>conf will go down well and be successful.
> 
> Noise is one thing.  Action is another.

Well, there has been _some_ action. It's hard to take further action 
until there is a clear (ish) mandate.

> I'll think the jury is still in abeyance about whether a user conference
> goes ahead.  Most of your other points I've already indicated my stance;
> but those who put together a conference of this type really do get to
> choose how and what format it runs.

Yes.

> That said two companies have already indicated an interest in assisting
> anyone who does want to do this kind of conference.

Interesting -- do I assume from your previous email that we're talking 
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Michael Still | 1 Mar 01:02 2005

Re: [LACTTE] Re: About a User Conference (was...)

Anthony Towns wrote:
> Michael Still wrote:
> 
>>> Funding.
>>> --------
>>> I am requesting $xxx seed funding from Linux Australia, and the same 
>>> amount from AUUG. The reasoning here is to spread the risk of the 
>>> event, and maximise the benefits to the community and both groups.
> 
> I'm somewhat worried that having three groups (you, LA, AUUG) trying to 
> run a single conference isn't that great an idea. :-/ OCG 05, eg, has 
> explicitly minimal involvement from LCA and LA, and what little 
> involvement there was seems to have pretty quickly resulted in chaos...

Which is a fair enough comment. I do think that both organizations have 
more to learn about cooperation here (I can think of examples of strife 
caused by either side), but I think things are improving.

I guess what I'm really saying here is that I think cooperation is good, 
and that should be encouraged. I am happy enough for the event to 
operate as a sub committee of LA, but I do think it needs a "hands off" 
style of management similar to LCA.

The point with wanting my involvement for two of the event is that I 
think it takes a couple of years for an event to get enough of a "feel" 
to be easy to hand off to other people.

>>> Chain of command.
>>> -----------------
>>> I would report to both Linux Australia and AUUG, but would have sole 
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Michael Still | 1 Mar 01:20 2005

Re: About a User Conference (was...)

Leon Brooks wrote:
> On Monday 28 February 2005 20:35, Anand Kumria wrote:

>>Each weekend a different city with (mostly) the same content.
> 
> Bit hard on the speakers, though, and very hard to get speakers for so 
> long and venues so well lined up. Perhaps eventually, but I think a 
> definite cap in the ambition is in order for the first year or few.

Yeah. If you were going to run something like that I imagine that you 
get someone to fly around and eyeball / book the four or five venues, go 
home and organize the speakers, and then do the tour.

Mikal

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Michael Still | 1 Mar 01:11 2005

Re: About a User Conference (was...)

Anand Kumria wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 08:53:46AM +1100, Michael Still wrote:

>>>- there are a bunch of people in Canberra who know how to make 
>>>conferences now
>>>- I don't mind running another conference
>>>- users are extremely price sensitive
> 
> Note anything more than $0 is too much.

Perhaps. How do you fund an event without having any money though?

>>>The market is "ripe" for a user conference in Australia. The underlying 
>>>premise of this proposal is that there is now a group of people in 
>>>Canberra who understand how to run an event, having just done it, who 
>>>are capable of running said user conference.
> 
> Actually there are now people in all cities of Australia who know how to
> run an LCA-style event.  There are people in all cities of Australia who
> know how to run a LUG-style event.

Yes. None of them have made a proposal for such an event though. If one 
of them would like to do so, then that would be fine.

> Since you haven't given indicative numbers you would expect to bring
> along to a 'LUGcon' it is hard to judge which group of people would be 
> more approriate to run things. LUG tend to do 40 - 80 people events
> every month without issue. LCA tends to do 400 - 500 people events every
> year without major issue.
> 
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Michael Still | 1 Mar 01:21 2005

Re: About a User Conference (was...)

David Lloyd wrote:

> Are we all talking and doing nothing?

Yes, we are. Then again, we're talking about a fairly serious commitment 
to run the event, so that's not a bad thing.

Mikal

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Jeff Waugh | 1 Mar 02:37 2005

Re: [LACTTE] Re: About a User Conference (was...)

<quote who="Michael Still">

> Ok. I like the tweak. We could do something like have a committee of x
> people from LA, x people from AUUG, and me. Would that handle your
> concerns?

What would AUUGs interest in this be? Seems pretty solidly outside their
market.

- Jeff

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Leon Brooks | 1 Mar 02:46 2005
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Re: About a User Conference (was...)

On Tuesday 01 March 2005 08:11, Michael Still wrote:
> Anand Kumria wrote:
>> Note anything more than $0 is too much.

> Perhaps. How do you fund an event without having any money though?

Sponsors. But I think $0 would be a mistake. If you just wanted as many 
people as possible, sure, but attendees won't take it seriously if it's 
free. Maybe $50 a day, $20 a day for concessions as a floor?

>> Actually there are now people in all cities of Australia who know
>> how to run an LCA-style event.  There are people in all cities of
>> Australia who know how to run a LUG-style event.

> Yes. None of them have made a proposal for such an event though. If
> one of them would like to do so, then that would be fine.

PLUG is getting fairly excited about the idea. I'll get a new list made 
for the purpose and see if anything eventuates.

>> LCA caters, to a degree, to introductory programmers.  Davyd
>> Madeley, for example, was exposed to Jeff Waugh at one of the
>> previous LCAs and now contributes regularly to GNOME.

> Absolutely. I was more thinking of Windows-centric ISV / bespoke
> programmers wanting to port their worlds to Linux / open source
> however.

As was I. And businesses looking for a little low-risk training to 
reduce their fear of taking a leap of faith.
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Michael Still | 1 Mar 04:28 2005

Re: [LACTTE] Re: About a User Conference (was...)

Jeff Waugh wrote:
> <quote who="Michael Still">
> 
>>Ok. I like the tweak. We could do something like have a committee of x
>>people from LA, x people from AUUG, and me. Would that handle your
>>concerns?
> 
> What would AUUGs interest in this be? Seems pretty solidly outside their
> market.

They feel that they cover Linux and *BSD as well, so I'm not sure your 
question makes sense...

Mikal

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Michael Still | 1 Mar 04:31 2005

Re: About a User Conference (was...)

Leon Brooks wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 March 2005 08:11, Michael Still wrote:
> 
>>Anand Kumria wrote:
>>
>>>Note anything more than $0 is too much.
> 
>>Perhaps. How do you fund an event without having any money though?
> 
> Sponsors. But I think $0 would be a mistake. If you just wanted as many 
> people as possible, sure, but attendees won't take it seriously if it's 
> free. Maybe $50 a day, $20 a day for concessions as a floor?

Which is what I originally proposed. I'm not confident of sponsors 
though -- surely they like proven events. I think it's sensible to build 
the event based on little / no sponsorship, and then be pleasantly 
surprised when wrong...

>>>Actually there are now people in all cities of Australia who know
>>>how to run an LCA-style event.  There are people in all cities of
>>>Australia who know how to run a LUG-style event.
> 
>>Yes. None of them have made a proposal for such an event though. If
>>one of them would like to do so, then that would be fine.
> 
> PLUG is getting fairly excited about the idea. I'll get a new list made 
> for the purpose and see if anything eventuates.

If you would like to, that would be nice.

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Jeff Waugh | 1 Mar 04:35 2005

Re: [LACTTE] Re: About a User Conference (was...)

<quote who="Michael Still">

> > What would AUUGs interest in this be? Seems pretty solidly outside their
> > market.
> 
> They feel that they cover Linux and *BSD as well, so I'm not sure your
> question makes sense...

AUUG is an organisation for UNIX professionals. Does a newbie user/hacker
conference align usefully with AUUG's market?

- Jeff

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