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Steffen Solyga | 23 Apr 2004 01:15

Hi folks

is it really that silent in here?
nevertheless, greetings from berlin!

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Frederic Marmond | 23 Apr 2004 08:26
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Re: Hi folks

Steffen Solyga wrote:

>is it really that silent in here?
>nevertheless, greetings from berlin!
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>  
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yes, it seems that:
1- the list is broken
2- assembly is so badly represent in today's computer world that nobody 
want to show he loves it
3- nobody have problems in assembly

;)
It's a little boring, I've a lot of time theses days, and would very 
much appreciate to do some support on assembly/kernel/system things...

Bonjour de Montpellier (South France)

Fred
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vpeev | 23 Apr 2004 10:08
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Re: Hi folks

Greetings from Sofia, Bulgaria (next to Greece for those who do not know).
Well, it is expected it would be silent here because:

1. It's assembly.
2. It's Linux assembly.

I love assembly for the sheer amount of possibilities and understanding of
architecture thanks to low-level programming. While having fallen out of
favor for portability reasons even in high performance applications, the
ability to write tight code will always be indispensable in the most
demanding of the latter, e.g. computational physics, chemistry, biology;
graphics programming. On the other hand, education quality worldwide is
falling, and that afflicts interest in demanding areas first, including
assembly.

-Vesko

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From: "Frederic Marmond" <fmarmond <at> eprocess.fr>
To: "Steffen Solyga" <solyga <at> absinth.net>
Cc: "linux assembly" <linux-assembly <at> vger.kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: Hi folks

> Steffen Solyga wrote:
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> >is it really that silent in here?
> >nevertheless, greetings from berlin!
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> >
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Lu Zhao | 23 Apr 2004 17:15
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Re: Hi folks

Assembly is very important, but it depends on where to use it.

There are two types of things, I think, that one can do in assembly
language for a system. One is to add support for new hardware. However,
most of the time, hardware vendors've done the work by providing kernel
modules. The second one is more interesting and challenging for a
general purpose computer. That's to improve the current linux assembly,
making it better, or start a new object-oriented interface for kernel
development, making it easily usable by C++. Those kernel developers
for some architectures must have been working on rebuilding the lowest
interface for kernel development, but I am wondering why nobody is
trying to come up with an object-oriented solution. Maybe the high risk
of nobody using it after developing such a system places any formal
efforts under table. Some day in the future, I might start to try it as
a hobby, just like the way the linux kernel was born, or I'll never do
it because I'm lazy. :)

Some good places for practicing assembly is to look at some chip
vendors' mailing lists to see what others are doing.

Assembly is not meant to be hot these days, because it means a sort of
binding with hardware. Things get complicated once touching hardware.
Maybe the basic constraint is that hardware is a type of physical
resource, not pure intelligent resource. Only some people may have it.

Tyne

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Sebastien Fortas | 23 Apr 2004 19:28
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Re: Hi folks


Greetings from paris,

There seems to be no more interest in writing bootstrap loaders anymore, or
maybe the information is readily available on web sites that convieniently lack
human interactivity.

How I long for the old days of usenet and mailing lists.

- sdf

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> is it really that silent in here?
> nevertheless, greetings from berlin!

	

	
		
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Jim Boedicker | 24 Apr 2004 00:23
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Re: Hi folks

Steffen Solyga wrote:
> is it really that silent in here?
> nevertheless, greetings from berlin!
> 
Someone please put something in her for everyone to kick around, and 
Learn from?

Jim
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Steffen Solyga | 24 Apr 2004 02:58

some thoughts and questions

glad to see that i'm not alone with my subscription
and my questions to come :-)
Did somebody of you guys already try writing a boot loader?
Not that i intend to write one...
I'm quite new to x86 assembly; spent a lot of time programming
the 6502/6510, turbo-stuff for the c64-floppy, but thats that
long ago, about 15 years. When the PC came up I hated its
design, because there was no need to have the cuircuit-drawing
next to my box, no fixed addresses and so on. However, the games
got me and I bought by first PC (386). And some years later I
learned to love the UNIX boxes at the university... Well, that
was just a short jump to Linux -- as users.
Now, object oriented programming isn't exiting, let's try the
opposite again. It's not just the result (working program) that
counts, but the fun shifting bits, exploring the architecture.

How do you feel about these tons of opcodes shipped with the x86
processors? Is it fun to know them all? Or is it just a waste
of time to learn about block-move-instructions? (As far as I
remember, the 8080 already had a block instruction -- I didn't
believe it those days! Was'n there a loop?)

By the way, if somebody of should have the guts to teach me
something, i would be happy having my first assembly lines
commented http://linux.xulin.de/asm/cmdline/cmdline.asm
Meaning, "xor eax, eax" looks more interesting than "mov eax, 0",
and I think there are a lot of x86-ideas I have to learn...
The 6502 only had two flags usable for branching (zero+carry),
and now I have two more (sign+parity) - how do I really make
use of them?
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peter willy krause | 24 Apr 2004 09:41
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Re: some thoughts and questions

Am Samstag, 24. April 2004 01:58 schrieb Steffen Solyga:
> glad to see that i'm not alone with my subscription
> and my questions to come :-)
> Did somebody of you guys already try writing a boot loader?
> Not that i intend to write one...

imho, not that useful, at all...

> How do you feel about these tons of opcodes shipped with the x86
> processors? Is it fun to know them all? Or is it just a waste

less fun but, efficiency.

> By the way, if somebody of should have the guts to teach me
> something, i would be happy having my first assembly lines

who is 'something'... :)

> and now I have two more (sign+parity) - how do I really make
> use of them?

study! (aren't you a professional on that?)

much information, examples &c at
	http://linuxassembly.org/resources.html

best,
	hp

besides, I've been highly interested in 'ee', many years ago (E.Mohr), but
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peter willy krause | 24 Apr 2004 09:56
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Re: some thoughts and questions

Am Samstag, 24. April 2004 08:41 schrieb peter willy krause:
> besides, I've been highly interested in 'ee', many years ago (E.Mohr),
							^^^^^^^
unsinn(? zu schnell abgeschrieben),
'theroretische elektrotechnik' soll's gewesen sein.

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