Re: Nvidia drivers/monitor probing

don't people just read?!?

Hey All, ake a look at some bashing of Arklinux

http://www.linuxbeginner.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=358

I replied ( semgeb ) homer simpson avatar :)

Since Ark is intended for newbies i think it would be wise to explain what 
is alpha stage to them on the site, it seems that they either don't read or 
understand what it is.

SG
semgeb <at> wp.pl

gcc wrapper

While trying to use ccache and distcc I had the idea to make a gcc wrapper in 
Ark Linux.
that would be, rename gcc to gcc.bin and the same with g++ and make some bash 
scripts as gcc and g++ that would be wrappers that would check for 
configurations in /etc/ (/etc/sysconfig ?) if ccache and/or distcc should be 
used. By default, it shouldn't use them, but turning ccache and distcc 
support on would be very easy.
What do you think about this ? what would be the drawbacks ?
Thanks.
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Re: don't people just read?!?

Erm.. I'm thinkin it would have been better to phrase something to seem 
more educational than condescending.  You have to remember that this guy 
is the sort of person we're aiming to support when we go live.. and if 
he was unable to find an explanation on the Arklinux website for what an 
'Alpha' release means, then we need to make sure we define the 
differences VISIBLY, so the general public understands.

Just remember.. Arklinux is intended to cater to desktop users who 
USUALLY are not POWER users and do not understand much of the jargon we 
throw around in our everyday lives.  My mother would never have had any 
idea what an Alpha release is.. and she's the exact type of person who 
makes up our target audience.

An example of what we MIGHT have said would be:
--------------------------------------------------------
In all fairness, It would probably be helpful to the average beginner to 
explain the difference between alpha/beta/production releases when it 
comes to software..

Alpha releases are the very beginnings of a product.  They tend to be 
very unstable and are guaranteed to change frequently, and drastically.  
The intended audience is limited to developers, testers, and bug fixers. 
(If Arklinux's site does not point out clearly that this was an Alpha 
release, then they should likely work toward clarifying this) In some 
cases there is likely to be pieces of general functionality which are 
not completely implemented yet.

Beta releases come after the Alpha release has become basically stable.  
All functionality should now be implemented.  Changes will come less 
frequently, and will tend to be less drastic when they come.  Usually 
they involve bug fixes more than anything.  Experienced end-users, 
developers, testers, and bug fixers are the target audience for Beta 
releases.

Production releases are the real thing, the final product.  They are 
intended for everyone to make use of.

If you see a filename with 'alpha' in it, this is either an alpha 
release, or it's built to run on  an 'Alpha' platform... and if you've 
got a PC, it's definitely not an Alpha platform ;)

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It is far better to educate than to argue
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sg wrote:

> Hey All, ake a look at some bashing of Arklinux
>
> http://www.linuxbeginner.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=358
>
> I replied ( semgeb ) homer simpson avatar :)
>
> Since Ark is intended for newbies i think it would be wise to explain 
> what is alpha stage to them on the site, it seems that they either 
> don't read or understand what it is.
>
> SG
> semgeb <at> wp.pl
>
>
>

Re: web structure

I think it would be great if the forum could be the same as the mailing lists 
(someone said usenet too ?), is that posible ?
Thanks.

On Monday 05 May 2003 14:20, Alan Dipert wrote:
> I like your ideas a lot, but I feel there should be a spot under
> "Support" with a link to the forum. Speaking of the forum...
>
> Seems like the idea of a public forum is generally well-received, so
> hopefully we can integrate that feature with arklinux.org in the near
> future.  The software I used, phpBB, is a really great (and free)
> package, but would be a bear to set up through CVS because there are so
> many files, both binary and ascii.  Perhaps someone with shell access
> could untar the distributed tar.gz right on the server?  Maybe there's a
> better way to do it... I don't know.  In any case I'd rather not host
> the forum on my webspace indefinitely, as Ark is bound to get really
> popular and anger my webhost :)
>
> -Alan
>
> Pupeno wrote:
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >Hash: SHA1
> >
> >For navegability, I think the best way to make a web structure is in a
> > tree, that is a menu, submenus, sub-submenus and so on... if cross
> > reference are needed, I would add them as help shortcuts or something
> > like that... so, for the Ark Linux site, I recomend this structure (we
> > spoken about this on the ir channel already):
> >(use FIXED FONTS)
> >
> >Home
> > - Screenshots
> > - History
> > - Requirements
> > - Contact us (including the donation info here)
> > * [Any other apropiate general information]
> >
> >Get Ark Linux (explaining that Ark Linux is free, why it is
> >               free and that you can download it, but since
> >               it is too big, there are some companies selling
> >               it for little money)
> > - Buy Ark Linux (explaining how to buy)
> > - Download Ark Linux (explaining how to download)
> >
> >Support (explaining that since it is not comercial software,
> >         there isn't any real support but a big comunity of
> >         people that may help and a lot of documentation to
> >         read)
> > - FAQ
> > - Mailing List (explaining how to subscribe and unsubscribe)
> > - Bugzilla (explaining what it is and how to use it)
> >
> >Get Involved
> > - CVS
> > - To Do List
> >
> >Making the page acording to this structure using the current graphical
> >structure, that is, the menu in the horizontal bar and the sub menu with
> > some little nice graphics would be nice.
> >
> >What do you think ?
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future of kedit

There isn't much future for kedit (we were talking about this some time ago):
http://kt.zork.net/kde/kde20030504_49.html#4
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MPlayer GUI

Yesterday I asked on IRC how switch the mplayer GUI on...
Now I have the answer: recompile with --gui-enable option...
MPlayer tells that is compiled "with no GUI".
Don't you think it's not good idea in Linux for newbies?
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Re: MPlayer GUI

On Wednesday 07 May 2003 03:47, Rafal Zieba wrote:
> Yesterday I asked on IRC how switch the mplayer GUI on...
> Now I have the answer: recompile with --gui-enable option...
> MPlayer tells that is compiled "with no GUI".
> Don't you think it's not good idea in Linux for newbies?
We're using kplayer (or was it kmplayer) as a GUI for mplayer. Does mplayer 
provide one ? I bet it is GTK ;)
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compiling qt

Trying to compile qt in ARk Linux, I get the following error:
g++ -fno-exceptions -o ../../../bin/uic .obj/debug-shared-mt/main.o 
.obj/debug-shared-mt/uic.o .obj/debug-shared-mt/form.o 
.obj/debug-shared-mt/object.o .obj/debug-shared-mt/subclassing.o 
.obj/debug-shared-mt/embed.o .obj/debug-shared-mt/widgetdatabase.o 
.obj/debug-shared-mt/domtool.o .obj/debug-shared-mt/parser.o    
-Wl,-rpath,/home/pupeno/src/kde/kde-head/qt-copy/lib 
-L/home/pupeno/src/kde/kde-head/qt-copy/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lqt-mt -lpng 
-lz -lXrender -lXft2 -lfreetype -lXext -lX11 -lm -lSM -lICE -ldl -lpthread
/home/pupeno/src/kde/kde-head/qt-copy/lib/libqt-mt.so: undefined reference to 
`XftFreeTypeOpen'
/home/pupeno/src/kde/kde-head/qt-copy/lib/libqt-mt.so: undefined reference to 
`XftPatternAddInteger'
/home/pupeno/src/kde/kde-head/qt-copy/lib/libqt-mt.so: undefined reference to 
`XftPatternAddString'
/home/pupeno/src/kde/kde-head/qt-copy/lib/libqt-mt.so: undefined reference to 
`XftPatternDuplicate'
/home/pupeno/src/kde/kde-head/qt-copy/lib/libqt-mt.so: undefined reference to 
`XftFreeTypeClose'
/home/pupeno/src/kde/kde-head/qt-copy/lib/libqt-mt.so: undefined reference to 
`XftFreeTypeGlyphExists'
/home/pupeno/src/kde/kde-head/qt-copy/lib/libqt-mt.so: undefined reference to 
`XftPatternGetInteger'
/home/pupeno/src/kde/kde-head/qt-copy/lib/libqt-mt.so: undefined reference to 
`XftPatternDestroy'
/home/pupeno/src/kde/kde-head/qt-copy/lib/libqt-mt.so: undefined reference to 
`XftPatternAddDouble'
/home/pupeno/src/kde/kde-head/qt-copy/lib/libqt-mt.so: undefined reference to 
`XftFontSetDestroy'
/home/pupeno/src/kde/kde-head/qt-copy/lib/libqt-mt.so: undefined reference to 
`XftPatternGetString'
/home/pupeno/src/kde/kde-head/qt-copy/lib/libqt-mt.so: undefined reference to 
`XftPatternCreate'
/home/pupeno/src/kde/kde-head/qt-copy/lib/libqt-mt.so: undefined reference to 
`XftPatternAddBool'
/home/pupeno/src/kde/kde-head/qt-copy/lib/libqt-mt.so: undefined reference to 
`XftGlyphExists'

It seems to be a problem linking with Xft (1) instead of Xft2 or something 
like that, any idea how to solve it ?
Thank you.
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Re: compiling qt

On Thu, 8 May 2003, Pupeno wrote:

> It seems to be a problem linking with Xft (1) instead of Xft2 or something
> like that, any idea how to solve it ?

The opposite. Qt is trying to link with Xft2, but we use Xft1 because it's 
significantly faster.
Check our Qt source rpm for the fix for Qt's build system.

LLaP
bero

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