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terry white | 4 Mar 2003 12:19

Red Hat Network ...


... from today's register:

    "Getting Red Hat Network support for free just got harder
     Surveyware? Egad...
        http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/29542.html"

    and yet another reason NOT to depend on RH ...

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Shaw, Marco | 4 Mar 2003 13:11

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RE: Red Hat Network ...

OK, so I'm a RHCE, and haven't used many other distribs.  This, in my opinion, is not a valid reason to thrash
anyone.  As long as RH still makes patches available for their products, charging for RHN is acceptable as
far as I'm concerned.

Marco

> -----Original Message-----
> From: terry white [mailto:twhite <at> aniota.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:20 AM
> To: linux-admin
> Subject: Red Hat Network ...
> 
> 
> 
> ... from today's register:
> 
>     "Getting Red Hat Network support for free just got harder
>      Surveyware? Egad...
>         http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/29542.html"
> 
>     and yet another reason NOT to depend on RH ...
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ... i'm a man, but i can change,
>     if i have to , i guess ...
> 
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terry white | 4 Mar 2003 14:04

RE: Red Hat Network ...

on "3-4-2003" "Shaw, Marco" writ:

: This, in my opinion, is not a valid reason to thrash anyone.  As long
: as RH still makes patches available for their products, charging for
: RHN is acceptable as far as I'm concerned.

... if you, in your opinion, choose to characterize that as a
'thrushing', so be it.  that, however, does not affect any change in my
position.

    and not to make too fine a point of it, RH does NOT make patches
available for 'their' products.  which if you'll recall, was my original
objection to dependancy on RH ...

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Scott Taylor | 4 Mar 2003 16:21

RE: Red Hat Network ...

At 04:11 AM 3/04/03, Shaw, Marco wrote:
>OK, so I'm a RHCE, and haven't used many other distribs.

Oh!  How M$ of you to get a piece of paper saying so.

>  This, in my opinion, is not a valid reason to thrash anyone.

What?  The fact that you got a piece of paper?

>As long as RH still makes patches available for their products,

RH makes patches?  Patches for which product?

>  charging for RHN is acceptable as far as I'm concerned.

Businesses charging for services, hmm, I think that's the only thing you 
said here that makes and sense.

> >     and yet another reason NOT to depend on RH ...

Well put Terry, depend only on yourself.  Still, there is nothing wrong 
with RH, other than they are looking more and more like M$ every day.  Oh 
well, someone has to make money off this thing, and RH has put a lot into 
it, they deserve to get some back, as do others that back and support Linux.

So, now for all the time RHN saves me in searching for downloads to keep my 
one out ten servers up-to-date, I'm not going to whine about filling out a 
simple little survey.  I might fudge anything personal and give them my 
freemail.com address that I never check, but what can it hurt to give them 
2-3 minutes, even 10 minutes, of your time every 60 days.  Compared to the

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Shaw, Marco | 4 Mar 2003 16:41

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RE: Red Hat Network ...

I'm am sorry I ever subscribed to this list, posted any messages, or tried to help people.  This is a
linux-admin list, not a forum for complaining.

As it is, I barely have spare time to try to help, and showing how much I feel appreciated at this time...  Well I
just feel spectacular!

I'll put my few words in, as my next message will be to unsubscribe.  Any further ramblings on this thread
should be emailed to me personally and I will reply off the list sparing others of wasted bandwidth (just
like this message is).

GROW UP!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Taylor [mailto:scott <at> dctchambers.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:22 AM
> To: linux-admin
> Subject: RE: Red Hat Network ...
> 
> 
> At 04:11 AM 3/04/03, Shaw, Marco wrote:
> >OK, so I'm a RHCE, and haven't used many other distribs.
> 
> Oh!  How M$ of you to get a piece of paper saying so.
> 
> >  This, in my opinion, is not a valid reason to thrash anyone.
> 
> What?  The fact that you got a piece of paper?
> 
> >As long as RH still makes patches available for their products,
>

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Scott Taylor | 4 Mar 2003 16:46

RE: Red Hat Network ...

At 07:41 AM 3/04/03, you wrote:
>I'm am sorry I ever subscribed to this list, posted any messages, or tried 
>to help people.  This is a linux-admin list, not a forum for complaining.
>
>As it is, I barely have spare time to try to help, and showing how much I 
>feel appreciated at this time...  Well I just feel spectacular!
>
>I'll put my few words in, as my next message will be to unsubscribe.  Any 
>further ramblings on this thread should be emailed to me personally and I 
>will reply off the list sparing others of wasted bandwidth (just like this 
>message is).
>
>GROW UP!

Oh my gosh, Marco,

You top posted, off topic, bragging about having a piece of paper; you 
really shouldn't take a little jabbing so personally.  Read the rest of the 
message, it was about RHN not you.  Sorry you take it so personally.

Scott.

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Scott Taylor | 4 Mar 2003 17:12

RE: Red Hat Network ...

Truly Marco,

I am very sorry for you.  I did not intend to offended you in any way, it 
was only meant as a tease, a little spark, not a big flame.  Please come 
back to us, I'm sure you have a lot to offer with or without any piece of 
paper to prove it.  I only tease you about it because I am not a big enough 
man to go out of my way, time, and money, to get my own.  I have nothing to 
prove to anyone but myself, I'm just a lone wolf.  So you see, I mean 
nothing, just to have fun.

At 07:55 AM 3/04/03, Shaw, Marco wrote:
>Top-posting again...

Yes, you are.

>Bragging?  I simply stated a fact, so that everyone understood my point of 
>view: typically RedHat oriented, mostly because of experience.

So you did.  That fact means very little except to a Resume.  Sorry, again.

>I am not a "paper-RHCE"...

Ho hum, the certificate is paper, I would never assume you were.

It still wasn't about you, you just happened to get there before me and I 
couldn't resist. ;)

Scott.

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Miguel González Castaños | 4 Mar 2003 18:02

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Updating the kernel of a RedHat 7.3

Dear all,

 I have followed the instructions of redhat of how to upgrade a kernel
downloading from the upgrades.redhat.com web page the corresponding
RPMs.

 I have downloaded the following RPMs for my fresh installation:

 kernel-2.4.18-24.7.x.i686.rpm
 kernel-source-2.4.18-24.7.x.i686.rpm
 kernel-smp-2.4.18-24.7.x.i686.rpm (since its a double proccesor box)

 I did the upgrade of the kernel-source RPM and had to use -ivh --nodeps
--force options to install the kernel and the kernel-smp RPMs.

 I noticed that the kernel progress bar only reached the 50%.

 Everything seems to be fine, but what could be wrong or everything is
fine?

 Many thanks in advance

 Miguel

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terry white | 5 Mar 2003 02:21

Re: Updating the kernel of a RedHat 7.3

on "3-4-2003" "Miguel González Castaños" writ:

:  I have followed the instructions of redhat of how to upgrade a kernel
: downloading from the upgrades.redhat.com web page the corresponding
: RPMs.

... you might consider getting the source from 'kernel.org'

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Keith Morse | 5 Mar 2003 06:52

Re: Updating the kernel of a RedHat 7.3

On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Miguel González Castaños wrote:

> Dear all,

A couple of notes that may help

> 
>  I have followed the instructions of redhat of how to upgrade a kernel
> downloading from the upgrades.redhat.com web page the corresponding
> RPMs.
> 
>  I have downloaded the following RPMs for my fresh installation:
> 
>  kernel-2.4.18-24.7.x.i686.rpm
>  kernel-smp-2.4.18-24.7.x.i686.rpm (since its a double proccesor box)

Generally speaking I only install one of the above.  As the system is SMP, 
that's the one I'd choose.  So far, I've never had:

rpm -ivh kernel-smp-2.4.18-24.7.x.i686.rpm 

fail.  Haven't had to to use --nodeps or --force to  install a kernel.  
RPM based kernel installs happily live next to each other.  I've had up to 
five.

>  kernel-source-2.4.18-24.7.x.i686.rpm

Never done a "upgrade" to kernel-source rpm.  Again I've always just done
rpm -ivh

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