2012-11-08 03:41:10 GMT
I need some information related to Income Tax Department. Just wondering if any of our fellow member is working in IT department.
Thanks for help.
One of India's most prominent anti-corruption fighters Mr. C.J. Karira of Secunderabad (A.P.) has struck another blow for India's Anti Corruption movement. And, the CBI is again within the RTI Act (or until CBI gets a stay). http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_SM_C_2012_000374_M_94087.pdf For this sterling act, India Against Corruption has appointed Mr Karira ("rtiwanted") as General Secretary and Ambassador-at-large for the movement. The bio-data of Mr Karira will shortly be published on IAC's website. http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in/about-us Sarbajit
Dear HJ members CONGRATULATIONS !! Over the past 2 years and the take-off from HJ-YG, this group has achieved considerable cohesion and camaraderie. For most of the past 2 years your list moderators could not allow much non-RTI discussions on this list. We were more focused on keeping the group afloat, ensuring Google did not shut us down and emails were delivered to your inbox. The Government, however, does not like our group (and has thrice used unheard of illegal methods to shut us down). It seems the time has now come for a more coordinated and action-oriented approach by the citizens. There are only 2 institutions left in today which can still save India from descending into chaos and a State of Emergency. However, both are under tremendous pressure from corrupt people inside them and are likely to collapse at any time. Patriotic citizens must do everything in their power to shine the spotlight on dirty cockroaches so that the system itself can HIT them. Also, the "anti-corruption" drama being staged in media is fully scripted by political parties and acted out by teams of mercenary NGO bandits and rogue ex-babus. The REAL CULPRITS are all going scot free because the handpicked haramis are misleading and distracting the citizens. As always only a few small fish will get caught while the big fish keep getting bigger. We need NEW BOTTLES for our old (and young) Wines to blend, mature and EXPLODE !!. A place we can do (and say) things we could not on a Google group. Accordingly, your list moderators, and in collaboration with many original IAC workers who are long term members of our HJ lists, have decided to form a new mailing list called "Hum" (or simple "we"). "India Against Corruption"'s mailing list and database will be a part of "Hum". "Hum" is a more radical mailing list than HumJanenge and will go well beyond HumJanenge and RTI but will always be firmly rooted to HumJanenge's core principles. It will also require a deeper level of participation from our members which may not be to everyone's taste. All HJ list members will be added to the new "Hum" list. Anyone who doesn't want to stay there can "opt out" or if that fails can email the moderators and get unsubscribed. After that this list "HJ-GG" will be almost entirely for RTI discussions (and a backup if Govt shuts us down again). Cheers Sarbajit
RTI dilution withdrawn http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/rti-dilution-withdrawn/194051/on Political parties oppose coming under RTI Act http://www.business-standard.com/generalnews/news/political-parties-oppose-coming-under-rti-act/74731/ Congress hits back at Kejriwal with CD bomb http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/congress-hits-back-on-kejriwal-with-cd-bomb_808707.html
"Sonia firm on RTI, Centre to drop dilution plans" http://www.firstpost.com/india/sonia-firm-on-rti-centre-to-drop-dilution-plans-510614.html Swamy’s dig at Kejriwal: Unlike you will move court http://www.firstpost.com/politics/swamys-dig-at-kejriwal-unlike-you-will-move-court-511571.html Full text: Sonia, Rahul accused of grabbing Rs 1,600 cr property http://www.firstpost.com/politics/full-text-swamy-accuses-rahul-sonia-of-fraud-511434.html NB: How 600 crores 2 days ago becomes 1,600 crores today. (Just like Narendra Modi's Rs. 1,880 crores spent on Sonia's foreign trips)
I sent a petition under RTI seeking certain information from the PIO of the DPAR, Govt of Tamil Nadu.
I have attached a copy of my RTI petition addressed to the PIO of the DPAR, Govt of Tamil Nadu.
Instead of sending me a reply, the PIO send me a note stating that:
1. As per sections 2(f), 2(i) of RTI act the Public Authority cannot be questioned in the guise of information and the information seeker has no right to seek on the opinion explanation an clarifications etc.
[Appeal No 151/ICPB/2006 F No PBA/06/232 dated 6.11.2006. Shri Rajiv Gupta vs Directorate General of Foreign Trade (M/Commerce].
2. The Commission is of the view that establishment matters does not come under the ourview with him that the appeal under consideration was not about supply of information but a request for redressal of the grievances which is purely an establishment matter.
[Appeal No. CIC/OK/C/2006/00069 dated 19.6.2006 Shri Ashok Mathur vs North Western Railway Headquarter office, Ajmer]
Kindly elucidate me if this statement of the PIO can be accepted. If there is reason to reject this reply of the PIO, please let me know.
A private company managed by Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi, Moti Lal Vora, Oscar Fernandes, Suman Dubey and Satyan G Pitroda, has quietly acquired the over Rs 600 crore estate and properties belonging to the Jawaharlal Nehru-founded The Associated Journals Ltd for the paltry sum of Rs 50 lakh. The acquisition, which was finalised as recently as April 26, 2012, covers an ‘extinguished’ loan of over Rs 90 crore from the All-India Congress Committee.
The Associated Journals Ltd is the owner and publisher of National Herald (English daily), Qaumi Awaz (Urdu daily) and National Herald International Weekly.
Amethi MP Rahul Gandhi is a Director in the said firm, Young Indian (Registration No 55-210686), which is a private company registered under section 25 of the Companies Act, 1956. Its principal aim is to inculcate “in the mind of India’s youth, commitment to the ideal of a democratic and secular society for its entire populace without any distinction as to religion, caste or creed and to awaken India’s youth to participate in activities that promote the foregoing objective”.
As this has nothing to do with journalism, it is unclear why Young Indian is acquiring the huge assets of a newspaper company for its activities.
As per the Notes to Accounts for the period ended March 31, 2012, a public limited company started by Jawaharlal Nehru with 5,000-odd shareholders has effectively become a private firm managed by Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi, using funds from the AICC. The legality of a political party giving a loan to a private person to set up a private firm remains questionable.
In fact, many aspects of the deal are problematic. The Notes to Accounts (II.1) states that in pursuit of its objects, “the Company acquired loan owed of Rs 90,21,68,980 by The Associated Journals Ltd (‘the said Company’), presently engaged in achieving a recast of its activities so as to have its main object congruent to the main object of the company, for a consideration of Rs 50 lakh”.
It continues, “As a part of restructuring exercise of the said company, the said loan was converted into 9,02,16,898 ordinary shares of Rs 10 each fully paid. Since said acquisition is treated as application on the objects of the company (and accordingly, treated in the financial statements of the company), the same has not been reflected as an investment in shares. Besides, even if the shares were to be treated as an asset (‘investment’), having regard to the fact that the net worth of the said company is negative, recognising the entire cost as “diminution in value” would result in an equivalent charge to the Income & Expenditure Account.”
This statement has been signed for and on behalf of the Managing Committee by Pradeep S Shah, Partner, Chandrakant & Sevantilal Chartered Accountants, Suman Dubey, director, and Moti Lal Vora, director.
It is pertinent that the official address of Young Indian is 5A, Herald House, Bahadur Shah Zafar Marg, Delhi, 110002, which is also the official address of publications owned by The Associated Journals Ltd, the registered office of which is Nehru Bhawan, 1 Bisheshwar Nath Road, Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh.
Prima facie there seems to have been no general body meeting of shareholders to discuss and approve this huge disbursal of public property to a private firm. The records show that Moti Lal Vora, chairman, The Associated Journals Ltd, informed the Board of Directors in their meeting held on February 26, 2011, that 9,02,16,898 equity shares of Rs 10 each be allotted to Young Indian in consideration of the extinguishment of the amount of Rs 90,21,68,980 due to Young Indian under loan facility availed by the Company from All India Congress Committee.
Resolution No. 3 continues that this loan facility and all the benefits thereunder was approved by the board in the board meeting held on 21.12.2010 and by the shareholders by a Special Resolution in the Extraordinary General Meeting of the members held on 21.01.2011.
Vora requested the board to approve the allotment of 9,02,16,898 equity shares of Rs 10 each to Young Indian.
This is simply unprecedented and by far surpasses the generous loans extended by DLF, a private sector corporate house, to facilitate the staggering acquisitions of Robert Vadra (now reputedly holed up in Dubai).
The AICC loaned and wrote off the amount of Rs 90 crore plus to Young Indian, but Young Indian paid only Rs 50 lakhs for the entire transaction and became owner of the immense properties and estates of The Associated Journals Ltd.
Then, the objectives of Young Indian have nothing to do with journalism, which is the sole reason why the then Government allotted prime land to the publishing house. It stands to reason that if the publications are defunct and cannot be made viable, then the trust managing the same must be dissolved and the land returned to the Government.
If Rahul Gandhi has no intention of starting a new newspaper or magazine, or re-launching the National Herald and allied publications – which his staff reputedly asserted when asked by journalists who learnt that something was afoot in the trust – why has he acquired The Associated Journals Ltd and all its assets?
It may be pertinent to note that in The Associated Journals Ltd’s List of Shareholders and Debenture Holders 2008, the name of Rahul Gandhi has been inserted by hand at Page 49, with no shares or debentures allotted, and no other particulars given. In the List for 2011, Young Indian figures as the last entry, with the address N-125 Panchsheel Park, New Delhi-17, and the shares allotted are 9,02,16,898. Moti Lal Vora has signed this document in his capacity as managing director.
The whole thing reeks of crony capitalism and seems prima facie illegal. A public trust cannot be made private in this surreptitious manner.
Dear Col jayakaran and All,
Brig Chhikara has given an excellent suggestion. We need to try out this new political and democratic set up under a new leader. Like the rest of the country, the ESM community can strengthen the hands of the established, capable, proven, very strong and selfless leader.Jai Hind
Col Mahesh KheraFrom: rs chhikara <chhikarars1940-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org>
To: "HumJanenge-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org" <HumJanenge-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2012 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re A new political set up for India.
Dear Jayakaran and friends
Our nation has lacked a strong and nationalistic leader . A leader who can inspire the nation and fix he crooks.I feel that Narendra Modi is the only such leader in India today. Tried and tested. Negative publicity spear headed by the Congress not withstanding. There are people within the BJP and part of RSS who also oppose his leadership because of their personal bloated interests. Kejriwal, Anna or Ramdev will find it difficult to control the newly elected parliamentarians in the absence pf political experience .
There will be other communal interests which will try to work on the Muslim vote bank to corner their votes.
Yet if he takes up he leadership challenge and is fully supported by Anna, Kejriwal, VK Singh, Ramdev and all of us he can save India from our own band of 4000 thieves. I believe Anna and VK etc will agree. Providing him with candidates from among ESM and others is a good idea. There are others in the present lot of parliamentarians also who can join him regardless of their present affiliations. P A Sangma and Rajiv Chandra Shekhar are only two examples.
Will Modi rise to the Challenge ? It may be worth trying. Personally , I think he will. He can even purge the BJP just as Indira Gandhi did to the Congress in 1969.
Kindly consider this for what ever you think it is worth.
Brig R S Chhikara
From: Israel Jayakaran <israel-Vd11Ai91PsKaMJb+Lgu22Q@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2012 8:44 AM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re A new political set up for India.
Randhir,I have said so many times and I am repeating it here. A. Hazare's mission of eradicating corruption through Lok Pal bill will not work at all. Our politicians are experts at finding loopholes in any law and make the law non-operational. If there are no loop holes, they could also create a couple and completely kill the bill putting the country back in square one..I feel in ther present scenario, the only way to clean up the dirty stables is to win the elections with a thumping majority and run the land with a clean administration and with clean people. More Defence service oficers and others need to join politics.If Anna and Gen V.K.Singh and their team, travel the length and breadth of the country promising the voters a selfless government, a completely selfless one, people will believe them because Anna has a halo round his head. . The current atmosphere is such that people are fed up both with the Congress and BJP. They are looking for an altenative. But where is it? Anna, I believe, is that alternative. He could be a father figure and need not enter politis himself.Will some 100 odd Defence people get together and persuade Anna to form a party - I have suggested the name HONEST PEOPLE'S PARTY and fight the 2013 elections. My forecast is that HPP could easily win 500 odd seats. Then Anna's party could run the country according to its policies. Will you please think it over and take the initiative in this regard. I am too old (86 yrs) to take any active part in this mission. However, I could provide the think tank.Do respond to this mail.Regards,Israel Jayakaran, Colonel (Retd), Signals, veteran, Chennai. (1947 batch)----- Original Message -----From: Randhir SethiSent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 11:35 AMSubject: Re: [HumJanenge] Inida against corruption - a new approachthe idea is laudablelet us create a team /representatives of like minded people , to start with, all those who have given their views , and make a determined effort to convince Anna and Arvind to forget the differences, bond and take the lead and extricate the nation from the muck we are in todaybubbles
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:31 PM, devinder chopra <ddchop47-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:It seems and appears that each one is a "pithoo" of some other, in the political field and out to protect his/her one flank or the other.What and how much can we protect ourselves from the murky leadership all over corrupt or UN-corrupt?!dev chopra***On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Joyprakash Chhetry <take_off_team-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:Dear Israel.,This is a wonderful method. However, Anna has cocooned himself. I had written similarly many times to IAC for Anna to come out and field his candidates before its too late. People are looking for alternatives. Kejriwal will corner some seats but thats not enough. Further, he's silent about Sharad Pawar, which gives signal that perhaps he is being financed by him. We must find a very reliable person to go to his address and council him for a week. Then see what he says. Same with Baba Ramdev. he's a willing horse.Bregs.Joy.From: Israel Jayakaran <israel-Vd11Ai91PsKaMJb+Lgu22Q@public.gmane.org>
To: aswal.ps <at> gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, 21 October 2012 4:53 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Inida against corruption - a new approach
Dear friends,Will the method adopted by Kejriwal work? How many corrupt politicians is he going to expose? Won't it take him decades to deal with thousands of thieves.What would be the result anyway. Exposure inpublic will bring about nothing. Will they get punished? Who will punish them?. True, their image will be tarnished. But they couldn't care less about it. They need money and they have it.The present method followed by IAC will not put an end to corruption.Never. IAC is only barking at a dry tree. I feel the only method is for Anna Hazaare to enter politics, fight the next 2014 election with him as the chair person., capture power all by himself and clean the stable. He can deal with the corrupt according to his way then.I am sure he can corner around 500 Lok Sabha seats if he travels the length and breadth of the counry in the next two years or so promising the people a clean and corruption free administration and make the quality of life of every citizen to a top order.An Indian will enjoy his rights as a citizen. No one could rob it from him. Thisis what he needs to promise in his political speech all over theland. There are more and will be revealed later. Every Indian will feel proud then. Today, we as Indians are a nobody. We cannot excercise any right; for that matter we don't even know what our rights are. This should be assured to the people. People will believe him because he has a halo round his head.He is worried about the finance. I had suggested that anyone wanting to join his party, which may be called HONEST PEOPLE's party(HPP) would have to become a member by paying Rs. 50 per year. He must start on a recruitment drive and it won't be difficult to muster around 10 lakh members to start with; the servicemen and exservicemen would be the prime members and his backbone as well. The service personnel will gladly join. His first round of collection may go up to Rs. 10 crore which is enough for his team to travel round. Remember, this is how NT Ramarao overthrew the giant congress in AP and came to power with absolute majority some 30 years back. Why can't such a revolutionary wave take place on an all India basis? The voters are fed up both with ther Congress and BJP. They are looking around for an alternative. Where is that alternative? HPP would be that party.I had made this suggestion to Anna but I wonder if his team had put up my mail to him. Certainly not. Would you please try and persuade him to lend his name for a political upheaval. He needs to be the father of the party and not head it as a future prime minister.Let us goad Anna to come out of his shell and form the party. This is a better tool to fight corruption ad eliminate it than the one being followed now.If you agree with my suggestion, please go ahead and set the ball rolling. You are welcome to exchange notes with me.Israel Jayakaran, Colonel (Retd), Signals, Veteran, Chennai.