Sarbajit Roy | 30 Oct 20:44 2014
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[IAC#RG] Sonia Gandhi is still NAC Chairperson ???

While most of India thought that the Gandhis (which included "Vadras")
would slink away to some pleasant Caribbean beach to spend their
trillions, IAC decided to investigate when exactly Sonia Gandhi gave
up advising the Prime Minister

The official answer we received in RTI (attached) is that the NAC is
still a Committee of the PMO, that Ms. Sonia Gandhi is still its
Chairperson, and that the Prime Minister of India and the BJP Govt
still calls on the Queen for advice.

God save India.!!!!

Official Links to NAC's RTI reply to IAC  :-
http://nac.nic.in/members/soniagandhi.php
http://nac.nic.in/secretriat.php
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Venkatraman Ns | 28 Oct 15:33 2014
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[IAC#RG] DOES JUDICIARY HAVE UNLIMITED POWERS ?

To  
 
India Against Corruption
                                                                                    DOES  JUDICIARY  HAVE  UNLIMITED  POWERS ?

 

In recent times, we have come across many instances where judiciary has entertained cases and given ruling , which may not involve any legal issues or any constitutional interpretations and issues which may be purely a matter of administration.

For example, judiciary has given verdict even on such matters like restricting the use of crackers on deepavali festival or  using loud speakers beyond certain hours, which are purely  matters in the domain of administration.  At least some people including some   legal professionals  some times wonder  whether judiciary is exceeding its limits on occasions.

There are also many instances where the judgements of judiciary at various levels do not have consistency , making thinking people wonder as to whether judiciary is providing judgements on the basis of perspectives and prejudices of individual judges , without approaching the issues on the basis  of law and fair practice. For example, the judgement of the judiciary regarding homosexuality have confused people  as to what would be the limits of powers of judiciary and which are the matters which it should entertain.

Obviously, judiciary is having its way , since , by and large, people have lost faith in the credibility of  politicians and bureaucrats  and many people think that politicians and bureaucrats would readily compromise with values and principles in discharging their duties. Under the circumstances, people look upon the judiciary to save them from the misdeeds of politicians and bureaucrats ,  which appear to have made judges think that they have unlimited powers and they are the ultimate  authority.

The recent judgement of the Supreme Court directing Government of India to submit the names of all black money holders abroad has been widely welcomed by the people but the legal pundits may wonder whether Supreme Court has over reached itself in giving this decision  and whether it really  has  the inherent  powers to do so,  as  per the provisions of constitution.
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[HumJanenge] IC Yashovardhan Azad meticilous disposal of second appeals

Greetings,

Some of you might like to check this decision where IC  Yashovardhan Azad disposed off various appeals of a
single appellant in a meticulous manner.

http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_YA_A_2014_000785-YA_M_141249.pdf

The decision covers various provisions, besides citation of some court rulings.

Manoj

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Sarbajit Roy | 25 Oct 11:50 2014
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[IAC#RG] Fed up with Investment Advice e-mailers

Dear IAC members

Apparently many members of this list, and some other RTI mailing lists, are regularly receiving emails from financial consultants.

for eg. a Mumbai based investors network of social activists etc. claims past returns ranging from 36% to 72% per annum since 2012 (with the caveat that returns going forward are likely to be significantly lower).

Attractive titles typically used in the emails (I've used the Mumbai network's titles for convenience) run like this:-

  • Just 15 minutes to reshape your investment scientifically
  • Revealed: A system of actually buying more at market lows
  • Investing Success Comes From The Right Method
  • Warning: Don't make this fatal investing mistake
  • Stop wasting time knowing about financial products.
  • Is Investing That Simple?
  • How to fix your finances without ruining your weekends

Being curious, I decided to ask them more about it with a pointed question like :-

I'm very seriously interested in this and would like to compare your program versus my own investment algorithms, My code / data is also from 2002 when the NIFTY essentially started. Could you give me the weekly / monthly  buy /sell calls generated by your Investment tool without benefit of back testing.since 2002. - Sarbajit Roy, New Delhi.

Usually, they had no reply except to say I should first subscribe to their "system" to know more about it.

Now it is very likely that due to broker nexus and insider trading / tips etc. spectacular results / returns can be generated for a few years.

However, do your due diligence thoroughly, since it seems that public email lists like ours are being scraped for email IDs and especially ex-faujis and retirees etc .are being tempted with unsustainable returns.

PS: If anyone has invested in such schemes, please contact me off-list.

Sarbajit
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Shybin Usman | 24 Oct 11:28 2014
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?

Dear Navnit,

The core texts of interpretation of the Quran written in the years during and immediate following the demise of the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) and the various authentic sayings of the Prophet (peace be upon him) make it very clear that the actual description of Paradise is beyond human comprehension and language.

The oft quoted 'houries' is a misinterpretation of 'azwaj' meaning 'companions'. These companions can be one's earthly family itself, if they all are indeed worthy of entering 'Paradise'. I say these in the light of the Hadith (the prophet's sayings) and actual Arabic texts that I have read up on as I too was misled during my younger days by misinterpretations of the Quran and Hadith.

I too agree with you that in any religion the fanatics edit the Holy Scriptures to suit their needs, and incite hatred and violence. The basic drive is their craving for power.

A not well known fact is that the Prophet (peace be upon him) had himself allowed a visiting delegation of Christian dignitaries to use the Masjid-al-Nabavi at Madina for their rituals of worship during their visit!

And yes, it is the silence of the 'good' is more dangerous than the ravings of the 'evil'.

It is good to see that many do share my views on harmony between all religions.

On Oct 24, 2014 1:48 PM, "Diwan Singh" <diwans2007-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> Dear Mr. Usman,
>
> Its good to see that Hinduism and Islam are pretty similar religions and gives some comfort that we should not have much of a conflict.
> But, ground reality is something different. The very fact that state based on religion brings the whole difference. Pakistan, Bagladesh, and around 50 more are Islamic states and non-Muslims have inferior status in most and are persecuted.
> The blasphemy laws are such outrageous, that it makes life hell for most non-Muslims.The recent case of a non Muslim lady being sentenced to death in Pakistan under the blasphemy laws is atrocious. 
> Just reading whats written in scriptures and ignoring ground realities would only exacerbate the problem.
> Hindus might be having their own flaws and would need to work on it.
> But we can afford to be wishy washy over the differences.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Mr Usman
>>
>> Thanks for your email.
>>
>> The 10 points I listed were published on 18th September, 1872 and
>> attributed to Raj Narain Bose.
>>
>> At the time, I suppose in British India the term "Islam" was not so
>> prevalent as it is nowadays. Wiktionary says that only since 1950
>> onwards was the term preferred
>> [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Mohammedanism#cite_note-1] for
>> precisely the reason cited in the point #1.
>>
>> All religions have problems with zealots and bigots. And we are not
>> surprised to see how much Hinduism and Islam actually have in common
>> (theologically) and the source of the powers to keep the religions
>> separated in India.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On 10/23/14, S Usman  wrote:
>> > Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
>> >
>> > I would like to point out certain factual errors in your email.
>> >
>> > 1. There is no religion as 'Mohammedanism'. It is called 'ISLAM' which
>> > means submission to God's will. We are forbidden to worship or pray to the
>> > Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him).
>> >
>> > 2. The points 2, 3, 4, 6 and 10 are also core tenets of Islam.
>> >
>> > 3. Islam instructs man to undertake any action solely aiming for God's
>> > pleasure as the goal. Eternal bliss is the reward for such endeavor. (Your
>> > point 5)
>> >
>> > 4. In Islam, we believe that man cannot achieve salvation without the
>> > infinite mercy of the One and Only benevolent Creator, who loves to forgive
>> > and pardon all sins manifold. He forgives in excess all those who pray to
>> > Him for forgiveness and showers blessings for each small good deed
>> > thousands of times over.
>> > That is why even smiling and greeting a friend is considered a very
>> > important good deed with huge rewards in Islam.
>> >
>> > I hope the above points do make it clear that the Hidutva you have
>> > described and Islam are not as different as certain vested interests
>> > portray them to be.
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > S Usman
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
>> > Date: Oct 22, 2014 2:54 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or
>> > Phobic Fantasy?
>> > To: <indiaresists-3hfIC0tI0F+k/GrYEfjPQg@public.gmane.org>
>> > Cc: "Madhu Kishwar" <madhukishwar-EM/S1/8ga0kDttaUZhfyMti2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
>> >
>> > Dear Mr. Diwan Singh
>> >>
>> >> Your ties to Common Cause pseudo-seculars need to be replied to.
>> >>
>> >> India Against Corruption is  SECULAR, the RSS is not sectarian
>> >>
>> >> IAC, on its website,  has defined "Hindutva" in the following terms
>> >>
>> >> "Hindutva" is an ancient inclusive way of life inherently capable of
>> >> harmoniously accommodating all faiths, religions and beliefs or
>> >> non-beliefs). As per IAC's ideology, "Hinduism is pre-eminently
>> >> tolerant to all other religions and believes that each man will attain
>> >> salvation if he follows his own religion"
>> >>
>> >> This is expanded in a full article on Hinduism, which explains its
>> >> "superiority" over all other religions
>> >> http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.org.in/index.php?n=Main.Hindutva
>> >>
>> >> If Hinduism is today perceived by some apologists as "inferior", it is
>> >> because of non-Hindus / non-Hindis who are self-referring to
>> >> themselves as 'thekedars' of Hinduism to deceive the innocenti. Such
>> >> persons are not Hindus.
>> >>
>> >> Sarbajit
>> >>
>> >> The Superiority of Hinduism to the prevailing religions lies in
>> >>
>> >> I. That the name of the Hindu religion is not derived from that of any
>> >> man as that of Christianity, Mahomedanism or Buddhism etc. This shows
>> >> its Eternal, independent and catholic character.
>> >>
>> >> II. That it does not acknowledge a mediator between the object of
>> >> devotion and the worshipper.
>> >>
>> >> III. The Hindu worships God as the soul of the soul, as the heart of
>> >> the heart, as nearer and dearer to him than he is to himself. This
>> >> idea pervades the whole of Hinduism.
>> >>
>> >> IV. That the idea of holding intimate communion with God, even at the
>> >> time of worldly business demanding the utmost attention of man, is
>> >> peculiar to the Hindu religion.
>> >>
>> >> V. That the scriptures of other nations inculcate the practice of
>> >> piety and virtue for the sake of eternal happiness, while Hinduism
>> >> maintains that we should worship God for the sake of God alone, and
>> >> practice virtue for the sake of virtue.
>> >>
>> >> VI. That the Hindu scriptures inculcate universal benevolence, while
>> >> other scriptures have only man in view.
>> >>
>> >> VII. That the idea of a future state, entertained by the Hindu
>> >> religion, is superior to other religions, as it allows an expiatory
>> >> process to sinners by means of transmigration, while Christianity and
>> >> Mahomedanism maintain an eternal heaven and an eternal hell. The Hindu
>> >> doctrine of a future state is also superior to that of other religions
>> >> inasmuch as it maintains higher states of existence in consonance with
>> >> the law of progress prevalent in nature.
>> >>
>> >> VIII. That Hinduism is pre-eminently tolerant to all other religion,
>> >> and believes that each man will obtain salvation if he follows his own
>> >> religion.
>> >>
>> >> IX. That Hinduism maintains inferior stages of religious belief in its
>> >> own bosom in harmony with the nature of man who cannot but pass
>> >> through several stages of religious development before being able to
>> >> form a true idea of the Supreme Being.
>> >>
>> >> X. That the Hindu maintains that religion should guide every action of
>> >> life. It has been truly said that the Hindu eats, drinks and sleeps
>> >> religiously.
>>
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Devinder Chopra | 24 Oct 11:17 2014
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?

Fully agree, Diwan Singh ji. i share my views, rarely on these debates. 
Having worked in the M. E., voluntarily in West/East Pakistan, later in Bangladesh, and before retiring (1994) in Yemen & Jordan -- i note :- the Islamic clergy calls the shots. The Islamic States, tend to go under their extremists, (their armed forces ally with them, for their own vested interests !) & thus literally, run the roost. 
That, historically has been the sordid game, which can easily be explained by a saying : "jiska danda uski bhains".....!

Believers in the Islamic world, regard ALL others INFERIOR to them all.
The world of the Jews (now the State of Israel, where i have been) with or even w/o the support of the US (which will never come to be !) -- will hit back, come what may, now or in the future, for-ever-more. That is why you may note that on our TV channels
("Times Now" to name one, etc.) the Pakistani panel participants (retired, high ranking armed force wallahs) refer to India linking up with Israel !
ONE more way to create hatred for the Indian nation, among their own and the rest of the Islamic world.

Much of our strategy & policy for the future has to come from a loyal armed might within our house. Thus, communalism can be put at rest -- J&K or no J&K ...!
Regards & Peace.

On 24 October 2014 13:11, Diwan Singh <diwans2007-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Dear Mr. Usman,

Its good to see that Hinduism and Islam are pretty similar religions and gives some comfort that we should not have much of a conflict.
But, ground reality is something different. The very fact that state based on religion brings the whole difference. Pakistan, Bagladesh, and around 50 more are Islamic states and non-Muslims have inferior status in most and are persecuted.
The blasphemy laws are such outrageous, that it makes life hell for most non-Muslims.The recent case of a non Muslim lady being sentenced to death in Pakistan under the blasphemy laws is atrocious. 
Just reading whats written in scriptures and ignoring ground realities would only exacerbate the problem.
Hindus might be having their own flaws and would need to work on it.
But we can afford to be wishy washy over the differences.


On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Dear Mr Usman

Thanks for your email.

The 10 points I listed were published on 18th September, 1872 and
attributed to Raj Narain Bose.

At the time, I suppose in British India the term "Islam" was not so
prevalent as it is nowadays. Wiktionary says that only since 1950
onwards was the term preferred
[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Mohammedanism#cite_note-1] for
precisely the reason cited in the point #1.

All religions have problems with zealots and bigots. And we are not
surprised to see how much Hinduism and Islam actually have in common
(theologically) and the source of the powers to keep the religions
separated in India.

Sarbajit

On 10/23/14, S Usman  wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
>
> I would like to point out certain factual errors in your email.
>
> 1. There is no religion as 'Mohammedanism'. It is called 'ISLAM' which
> means submission to God's will. We are forbidden to worship or pray to the
> Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him).
>
> 2. The points 2, 3, 4, 6 and 10 are also core tenets of Islam.
>
> 3. Islam instructs man to undertake any action solely aiming for God's
> pleasure as the goal. Eternal bliss is the reward for such endeavor. (Your
> point 5)
>
> 4. In Islam, we believe that man cannot achieve salvation without the
> infinite mercy of the One and Only benevolent Creator, who loves to forgive
> and pardon all sins manifold. He forgives in excess all those who pray to
> Him for forgiveness and showers blessings for each small good deed
> thousands of times over.
> That is why even smiling and greeting a friend is considered a very
> important good deed with huge rewards in Islam.
>
> I hope the above points do make it clear that the Hidutva you have
> described and Islam are not as different as certain vested interests
> portray them to be.
>
> Sincerely,
> S Usman
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
> Date: Oct 22, 2014 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or
> Phobic Fantasy?
> To: <indiaresists-3hfIC0tI0F+k/GrYEfjPQg@public.gmane.org>
> Cc: "Madhu Kishwar" <madhukishwar-EM/S1/8ga0kDttaUZhfyMti2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
>
> Dear Mr. Diwan Singh
>>
>> Your ties to Common Cause pseudo-seculars need to be replied to.
>>
>> India Against Corruption is  SECULAR, the RSS is not sectarian
>>
>> IAC, on its website,  has defined "Hindutva" in the following terms
>>
>> "Hindutva" is an ancient inclusive way of life inherently capable of
>> harmoniously accommodating all faiths, religions and beliefs or
>> non-beliefs). As per IAC's ideology, "Hinduism is pre-eminently
>> tolerant to all other religions and believes that each man will attain
>> salvation if he follows his own religion"
>>
>> This is expanded in a full article on Hinduism, which explains its
>> "superiority" over all other religions
>> http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.org.in/index.php?n=Main.Hindutva
>>
>> If Hinduism is today perceived by some apologists as "inferior", it is
>> because of non-Hindus / non-Hindis who are self-referring to
>> themselves as 'thekedars' of Hinduism to deceive the innocenti. Such
>> persons are not Hindus.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> The Superiority of Hinduism to the prevailing religions lies in
>>
>> I. That the name of the Hindu religion is not derived from that of any
>> man as that of Christianity, Mahomedanism or Buddhism etc. This shows
>> its Eternal, independent and catholic character.
>>
>> II. That it does not acknowledge a mediator between the object of
>> devotion and the worshipper.
>>
>> III. The Hindu worships God as the soul of the soul, as the heart of
>> the heart, as nearer and dearer to him than he is to himself. This
>> idea pervades the whole of Hinduism.
>>
>> IV. That the idea of holding intimate communion with God, even at the
>> time of worldly business demanding the utmost attention of man, is
>> peculiar to the Hindu religion.
>>
>> V. That the scriptures of other nations inculcate the practice of
>> piety and virtue for the sake of eternal happiness, while Hinduism
>> maintains that we should worship God for the sake of God alone, and
>> practice virtue for the sake of virtue.
>>
>> VI. That the Hindu scriptures inculcate universal benevolence, while
>> other scriptures have only man in view.
>>
>> VII. That the idea of a future state, entertained by the Hindu
>> religion, is superior to other religions, as it allows an expiatory
>> process to sinners by means of transmigration, while Christianity and
>> Mahomedanism maintain an eternal heaven and an eternal hell. The Hindu
>> doctrine of a future state is also superior to that of other religions
>> inasmuch as it maintains higher states of existence in consonance with
>> the law of progress prevalent in nature.
>>
>> VIII. That Hinduism is pre-eminently tolerant to all other religion,
>> and believes that each man will obtain salvation if he follows his own
>> religion.
>>
>> IX. That Hinduism maintains inferior stages of religious belief in its
>> own bosom in harmony with the nature of man who cannot but pass
>> through several stages of religious development before being able to
>> form a true idea of the Supreme Being.
>>
>> X. That the Hindu maintains that religion should guide every action of
>> life. It has been truly said that the Hindu eats, drinks and sleeps
>> religiously.

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Sarbajit Roy | 24 Oct 05:29 2014
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?

Dear Mr Usman

Thanks for your email.

The 10 points I listed were published on 18th September, 1872 and
attributed to Raj Narain Bose.

At the time, I suppose in British India the term "Islam" was not so
prevalent as it is nowadays. Wiktionary says that only since 1950
onwards was the term preferred
[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Mohammedanism#cite_note-1] for
precisely the reason cited in the point #1.

All religions have problems with zealots and bigots. And we are not
surprised to see how much Hinduism and Islam actually have in common
(theologically) and the source of the powers to keep the religions
separated in India.

Sarbajit

On 10/23/14, S Usman  wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
>
> I would like to point out certain factual errors in your email.
>
> 1. There is no religion as 'Mohammedanism'. It is called 'ISLAM' which
> means submission to God's will. We are forbidden to worship or pray to the
> Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him).
>
> 2. The points 2, 3, 4, 6 and 10 are also core tenets of Islam.
>
> 3. Islam instructs man to undertake any action solely aiming for God's
> pleasure as the goal. Eternal bliss is the reward for such endeavor. (Your
> point 5)
>
> 4. In Islam, we believe that man cannot achieve salvation without the
> infinite mercy of the One and Only benevolent Creator, who loves to forgive
> and pardon all sins manifold. He forgives in excess all those who pray to
> Him for forgiveness and showers blessings for each small good deed
> thousands of times over.
> That is why even smiling and greeting a friend is considered a very
> important good deed with huge rewards in Islam.
>
> I hope the above points do make it clear that the Hidutva you have
> described and Islam are not as different as certain vested interests
> portray them to be.
>
> Sincerely,
> S Usman
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@...>
> Date: Oct 22, 2014 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or
> Phobic Fantasy?
> To: <indiaresists@...>
> Cc: "Madhu Kishwar" <madhukishwar@...>
>
> Dear Mr. Diwan Singh
>>
>> Your ties to Common Cause pseudo-seculars need to be replied to.
>>
>> India Against Corruption is  SECULAR, the RSS is not sectarian
>>
>> IAC, on its website,  has defined "Hindutva" in the following terms
>>
>> "Hindutva" is an ancient inclusive way of life inherently capable of
>> harmoniously accommodating all faiths, religions and beliefs or
>> non-beliefs). As per IAC's ideology, "Hinduism is pre-eminently
>> tolerant to all other religions and believes that each man will attain
>> salvation if he follows his own religion"
>>
>> This is expanded in a full article on Hinduism, which explains its
>> "superiority" over all other religions
>> http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.org.in/index.php?n=Main.Hindutva
>>
>> If Hinduism is today perceived by some apologists as "inferior", it is
>> because of non-Hindus / non-Hindis who are self-referring to
>> themselves as 'thekedars' of Hinduism to deceive the innocenti. Such
>> persons are not Hindus.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> The Superiority of Hinduism to the prevailing religions lies in
>>
>> I. That the name of the Hindu religion is not derived from that of any
>> man as that of Christianity, Mahomedanism or Buddhism etc. This shows
>> its Eternal, independent and catholic character.
>>
>> II. That it does not acknowledge a mediator between the object of
>> devotion and the worshipper.
>>
>> III. The Hindu worships God as the soul of the soul, as the heart of
>> the heart, as nearer and dearer to him than he is to himself. This
>> idea pervades the whole of Hinduism.
>>
>> IV. That the idea of holding intimate communion with God, even at the
>> time of worldly business demanding the utmost attention of man, is
>> peculiar to the Hindu religion.
>>
>> V. That the scriptures of other nations inculcate the practice of
>> piety and virtue for the sake of eternal happiness, while Hinduism
>> maintains that we should worship God for the sake of God alone, and
>> practice virtue for the sake of virtue.
>>
>> VI. That the Hindu scriptures inculcate universal benevolence, while
>> other scriptures have only man in view.
>>
>> VII. That the idea of a future state, entertained by the Hindu
>> religion, is superior to other religions, as it allows an expiatory
>> process to sinners by means of transmigration, while Christianity and
>> Mahomedanism maintain an eternal heaven and an eternal hell. The Hindu
>> doctrine of a future state is also superior to that of other religions
>> inasmuch as it maintains higher states of existence in consonance with
>> the law of progress prevalent in nature.
>>
>> VIII. That Hinduism is pre-eminently tolerant to all other religion,
>> and believes that each man will obtain salvation if he follows his own
>> religion.
>>
>> IX. That Hinduism maintains inferior stages of religious belief in its
>> own bosom in harmony with the nature of man who cannot but pass
>> through several stages of religious development before being able to
>> form a true idea of the Supreme Being.
>>
>> X. That the Hindu maintains that religion should guide every action of
>> life. It has been truly said that the Hindu eats, drinks and sleeps
>> religiously.
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From: "Shybin Usman" <shybinusman-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Date: Oct 23, 2014 4:17 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?
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Cc:

Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,

I would like to point out certain factual errors in your email.

1. There is no religion as 'Mohammedanism'. It is called 'ISLAM' which means submission to God's will. We are forbidden to worship or pray to the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him).

2. The points 2, 3, 4, 6 and 10 are also core tenets of Islam.

3. Islam instructs man to undertake any action solely aiming for God's pleasure as the goal. Eternal bliss is the reward for such endeavor. (Your point 5)

4. In Islam, we believe that man cannot achieve salvation without the infinite mercy of the One and Only benevolent Creator, who loves to forgive and pardon all sins manifold. He forgives in excess all those who pray to Him for forgiveness and showers blessings for each small good deed thousands of times over.
That is why even smiling and greeting a friend is considered a very important good deed with huge rewards in Islam.

I hope the above points do make it clear that the Hidutva you have described and Islam are not as different as certain vested interests portray them to be.

Sincerely,
Shybin Usman

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From: "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Date: Oct 22, 2014 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?
To: <indiaresists-3hfIC0tI0F+k/GrYEfjPQg@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Madhu Kishwar" <madhukishwar-EM/S1/8ga0kDttaUZhfyMti2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>

Dear Mr. Diwan Singh

Your ties to Common Cause pseudo-seculars need to be replied to.

India Against Corruption is  SECULAR, the RSS is not sectarian

IAC, on its website,  has defined "Hindutva" in the following terms

"Hindutva" is an ancient inclusive way of life inherently capable of
harmoniously accommodating all faiths, religions and beliefs or
non-beliefs). As per IAC's ideology, "Hinduism is pre-eminently
tolerant to all other religions and believes that each man will attain
salvation if he follows his own religion"

This is expanded in a full article on Hinduism, which explains its
"superiority" over all other religions
http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.org.in/index.php?n=Main.Hindutva

If Hinduism is today perceived by some apologists as "inferior", it is
because of non-Hindus / non-Hindis who are self-referring to
themselves as 'thekedars' of Hinduism to deceive the innocenti. Such
persons are not Hindus.

Sarbajit

The Superiority of Hinduism to the prevailing religions lies in

I. That the name of the Hindu religion is not derived from that of any
man as that of Christianity, Mahomedanism or Buddhism etc. This shows
its Eternal, independent and catholic character.

II. That it does not acknowledge a mediator between the object of
devotion and the worshipper.

III. The Hindu worships God as the soul of the soul, as the heart of
the heart, as nearer and dearer to him than he is to himself. This
idea pervades the whole of Hinduism.

IV. That the idea of holding intimate communion with God, even at the
time of worldly business demanding the utmost attention of man, is
peculiar to the Hindu religion.

V. That the scriptures of other nations inculcate the practice of
piety and virtue for the sake of eternal happiness, while Hinduism
maintains that we should worship God for the sake of God alone, and
practice virtue for the sake of virtue.

VI. That the Hindu scriptures inculcate universal benevolence, while
other scriptures have only man in view.

VII. That the idea of a future state, entertained by the Hindu
religion, is superior to other religions, as it allows an expiatory
process to sinners by means of transmigration, while Christianity and
Mahomedanism maintain an eternal heaven and an eternal hell. The Hindu
doctrine of a future state is also superior to that of other religions
inasmuch as it maintains higher states of existence in consonance with
the law of progress prevalent in nature.

VIII. That Hinduism is pre-eminently tolerant to all other religion,
and believes that each man will obtain salvation if he follows his own
religion.

IX. That Hinduism maintains inferior stages of religious belief in its
own bosom in harmony with the nature of man who cannot but pass
through several stages of religious development before being able to
form a true idea of the Supreme Being.

X. That the Hindu maintains that religion should guide every action of
life. It has been truly said that the Hindu eats, drinks and sleeps
religiously.














On 10/22/14, Diwan Singh <diwans2007-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> There is more in the article written by Madhu Kishwar. The conditions of
> Hindus in Bangladesh and Pakistan.
> Firstly, Hinduism, is not a religion, in the sense that religions have a
> organised structure. Hinduism can at best be described as Indian culture.
> It might have many weaknesses, unworthy practices, which can be similarly
> found in other religions, cultures too ;but, its biggest strength is that
> It reflects freedom of thought and evolution,  and that's not available  in
> other organised religions.That's why we have so many people with Hindu
> names, in this list as well, who exercise this freedom and openly criticize
> Hindus and side with Muslim brothers.
> Nothing wrong! That's the greatness of this culture, the freedom it gives.
> My worry is if we are overdoing this benevolency and jeopardizing the
> future of this great culture. Wouldn't  we lead to self destruction this
> way !
>
> Such questions lead us to think
> why no or little concern about:
> -  Hindus losing their majority in Assam.
> -  Hindus ethnically cleansed from Kashmir. But there is a lot of concern
> about        Army heavy handedness there. Nothing wrong in that but why
> just one sided.
> -  Right next door to Delhi, riots in Muzzafarnagar happened due to planned
> attack    and   massacre ( happened on canal crossings, with a strategy to
> sandwich          them) of    Hindus who were returning after holding a
> panchayat.
>    But, our educated, elite, secular Hindus put the blame for the
> consequent riots      on Hindutva. This is sheer disregard and contempt of
> the pains of Hindus who      lost their kith and kin in the canal massacre.
> There was no Hindutva involved        here but our secular Hindus have
> misled the entire nation.
>
> No secular Hindu is talking about bringing to book those people who
> orchestrated the canal massacre, but have all time to sympathize with the
> riots victim, that happened as a consequence.
> It is this indifference at part of secular Hindus  that is creating this
> divide between Hindus and Muslims. The secular Hindus are proving to be
> more communal than the militants.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Kumar Arun <kumar2786-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> I hope all of you who have participated in this sensitive conversation,
>> are honest in presenting things before less knowledgeable individuals
>> like
>> me. May I ask you to verify rather certify following things about those
>> Hindu individuals who fell in love with a muslim wife:
>>
>>   1. Did a Hindu male or female have to change his/her religion in order
>> to be married in Islam?
>>   2. Did the male Hindu ever become father of children without giving
>> them
>> a muslim name?
>>   3. Did the female Hindu be ever allowed to perform puja of Ram,
>> Krishna,
>> Durga or any other deities?
>>
>> For these questions most likely your answer will be negative and still
>> you
>> honorable Hindus of India think there is nothing wrong with Islam,
>> Islamic
>> agenda (caliphate) and most of all 'sharia laws'?
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Dr. Kumar Arun
>>
>> PS: There are many more question in my mind but please answer only three
>> asked to you but with honesty please.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> From: shantibhush-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
>> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:28:55 +0530
>> To: indiaresists-3hfIC0tI0F+k/GrYEfjPQg@public.gmane.org
>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat
>> or Phobic Fantasy?
>>
>> I believe Justice Chagla married a hindu girl and so did Justice
>> Hidayatullah.Even BJP leaders Naqavi and Shah nawaz Khan have hindu wives
>> Earlier BJP leader Sikander Bakht also had a hindu wife.Even in the
>> filmworld Amir Khan Shah Rukh Khan as well as Saif Ali Khan all have
>> hindu
>> wives.Among cricketers also Nawab Pataudi had a hindu wife.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Diwan Singh <diwans2007-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I find this a worth reading article. One may agree or disagree but the
>> evidence presented raise concerns.
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Madhu Kishwar* <madhukishwar-EM/S1/8ga0kDttaUZhfyMti2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
>> Date: Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 6:53 PM
>> Subject: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?
>> To: Manushi-india <manushi-india-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Love Jehad –Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?*
>> *Who is Afraid of Hindu-Muslim Couples?*
>>
>> *Madhu Purnima Kishwar*
>>
>> One of the most unfortunate tendencies in India’s political discourse is
>> to reduce every issue into a “for” versus “against” proposition following
>> the pattern of school-college debating society’s style of engagement with
>> issues.  This propensity for polarizing all issues into two extreme
>> positions an important reason why almost every issue leads to a permanent
>> stalemate and we rarely move towards solutions..
>>
>> “Love-Jehad” has come to be one of the latest additions to a
>> meaninglessly
>> polarized debate on a sensitive issue.  On the one hand Love-Jehad has
>> been
>> portrayed by Hindutva groups as a sinister and well planned conspiracy to
>> seduce, abduct, blackmail or coerce young Hindu women to convert to Islam
>> under the guise of love affairs with Muslim men.  On the other hand, the
>> “secular” opponents of Hindutva are projecting it as a case of “freedom
>> of
>> choice” in marriage.  They castigate the campaign against “Love-Jehad” as
>> a
>> conspiracy of obscurantist Hindu groups to keep the sexuality of Hindu
>> women under the control of Hindu patriarchs.
>>
>> Let’s try and sift the chaff from the grain of both sides:
>> To begin with let us be clear, even the radical Hindutva groups do not
>> object to genuine marriages between mutually caring individuals even if
>> they be a case of Hindu-Muslim union.  A good example of this is the
>> marriage of film script writer Salim Khan with a Maharashtrian Hindu
>> woman.  Salim Khan neither eloped with nor abducted his wife.  He secured
>> the family’s consent and did not insist on his wife abandoning her faith
>> and family culture.  Both the husband and wife not only follow their
>> respective faiths but also fully respect each other’s religious
>> sensibilities and rituals.  In their bedroom the wife has her *puja sthal*
>> replete
>> with Hindu deities while Salim Khan has a dedicated space for his namaz.
>> The entire family celebrates both Hindu as well as Muslim festivals.
>> Their
>> sons have also gone for inter-faith marriages and follow the same
>> inclusive
>> lifestyle.  Therefore, these marriages have neither evoked social
>> disapproval nor invited any hostility among Hindus.  If anything Salim
>> Khan’s family is often held up as an example of inter-faith harmony.
>> However, Muslim fundamentalists do look upon Salim Khan’s life style with
>> hostility
>>
>> Read More :
>> http://madhukishwar.blogspot.in/2014/10/love-jehad-real-threat-or-phobic-fantasy_17.html
>> <http://t.signauxdeux.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0SmZ58dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7sM9dn7dK_MMdBzM2-04?t=http://t.signauxdeux.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0SmZ58dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7sM9dn7dK_MMdBzM2-04?t%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fmadhukishwar.blogspot.in%252F2014%252F10%252Flove-jehad-real-threat-or-phobic-fantasy_17.html%26si%3D5587249386225664%26pi%3Dc107ddfe-8688-4a29-e680-6e121ecf65ae&si=5587249386225664&pi=ec1e3e2c-dc6e-43ed-f23c-883f02e143af>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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[IAC#RG] Fwd: COMPLAINT for illegal content concerning minors, violation of child rights etc.

Dear IAC members

We have just received news from AVAM India (attached) that a major online encyclopedia CITIZENDIUM has deleted all the files in the notice sent by the legal representative which showed AAP child volunteers being trained by Wikipedia USA to edit Wikipedia articles on computers connected to Wikipedia's obscene pornographic servers.

Wikipedia's response is still awaited by AVAM (AAP Volunteers Action Manch)

This is a significant victory for AVAM and like minded groups within AAP throughout India, who are personally working under guidance of Senior Advocate Shri Shanthi Bhushan to clean up the party and bring in transparency.

Ajay
IAC National Cyber media in-charge

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: COMPLAINT for illegal content concerning minors, violation of child rights etc.
To: legal-reports-AeOJrEpdGNeGglJvpFV4uA@public.gmane.org, legal <at> wikimedia.org


Dear Ms. Lia Tretikov
Designated Legal Agent
Wikimedia Foundation Inc

You may be interested to know that the online encyclopedia Citizendium, to whom an identical notice, was sent has deleted all files I specified from their servers with the remarks "ME directive: we should not host images of identifiable minors". Their action was taken expeditiously within 48 hours, and the user account was blocked.

The PDF screenshot is attached for your reference

Toby Dollmann


On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:37 PM, <toby.dollmann-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
To:
Lila Tretikov, Designated Legal Agent
Wikimedia Foundation
c/o CT Corporation System
818 West Seventh Street
Los Angeles, California 90017

legal-reports-AeOJrEpdGNeGglJvpFV4uA@public.gmane.org
legal-AeOJrEpdGNcpi3HaZ6Sa4g@public.gmane.orgg

Phone: +1 (415) 839-6885
Facsimile number: +1 (415) 882-0495

21 October 2014

Dear Legal Agent,

COMPLAINT for illegal content concerning minors, violation of child rights including breach of privacy rights and cyber defamation, and concerning on-line pornography.

I am the Intellectual Property Agent and authorized representative of M/s Intervacy Protection Services, contacting you regarding the invasive usage of online content which violates the privacy rights of members of their principals M/s AAP Volunteers Action Manch, B-11 South Ex Plaza II, Masjid Moth, New  Delhi 110049, India, also widely known as "AVAM" having websites : "www.avam.in" etc.

It has come to AVAM's attention that minors, being Aam Aadmi Party ("AAP") junior / "sub-teen" volunteers, invited to attend a Republic Day celebration on 26 January 2013 at Pune, India as part of their school curriculum, were deceptively made to sit through a multi-media program known as "Wikipedia India Education Program (2013)" or suchlike and later induced by "Wikimedia Ambassadors" there to open anonymous user accounts on Wikimedia Foundation Inc's (WMF) computer servers without their parent's knowledge or consent.
There are reports in circulation in public domain, including on WMF computer servers, to suggest that these junior AAP volunteers, as also other minors present at the venue, were granted access to high definition grossly obscene pornographic images and media hosted on WMF computer servers in USA under the website URL : http://commons.wikimedia.org and accessible from the .IN domain name http://live.wikimedia.in in various Indic languages.

It has also come to AVAM's attention that very high definition digital photograph's / images clearly identifying alleged AAP minor volunteers have been uploaded to WIMF's servers in the public domain and are being attributed to WMF and circulated with captions like  "Aam Aadmi Party kids enjoy Wikipedia at WIEP 2013", "Did Aam Aadmi Party schoolkids also enjoy 'wikiporn' at WIEP 2013 ?" etc. These captions emanate from emails to WMF publicly accessible on WMF servers pertaining to this program asking WMF

"for discussing the issue of Indian school children editing at Wikipedia and being provided computers on which high-definition pornography from Wikimedia Commons was accessible as part of the program."



Accordingly, my principals, and on behalf of all AAP volunteers, require that all content capable of breaching privacy and morals of Indian children / minors situated on WMF computer servers be immediately deleted or disabled. Some of these content / images as presently identified by us are listed below.

https://outreach.wikimedia.
org/wiki/Wikipedia_India_
Education_Program
[NB: PDF of the article is attached for your information and record]

http://commons.wikimedia.org/
wiki/File:Naked_woman.jpg
[NB: Example of grossly obscene commercial pornography hosted on WMF servers freely made accessible to Indian minors by WMF]

http://commons.wikimedia.org/
wiki/File:Republic_Day_Event_
2013_01.JPG
http://commons.wikimedia.org/
wiki/File:Republic_Day_Event_
2013_02.JPG
http://commons.wikimedia.org/
wiki/File:Republic_Day_Event_
2013_06.JPG
http://commons.wikimedia.org/
wiki/File:Republic_Day_Event_
2013_07.JPG
http://commons.wikimedia.org/
wiki/File:Republic_Day_Event_
2013_08.JPG
http://commons.wikimedia.org/
wiki/File:Republic_Day_Event_
2013_14.JPG
http://commons.wikimedia.org/
wiki/File:Republic_Day_Event_
2013_15.JPG
http://commons.wikimedia.org/
wiki/File:Republic_Day_Event_
2013_16.JPG
http://commons.wikimedia.org/
wiki/File:Republic_Day_Event_
2013_17.JPG

As a good faith belief is held that the above mentioned image use and content is not authorized or in accordance with law, we require that the infringing content be immediately removed.

Under penalty of perjury I state that the information provided in this notice is accurate, and that such notice may be submitted on behalf of AVAM.

This electronically signed notice is issued without prejudice solely as a courtesy to afford the Wikimedia Foundation Inc., being a hosting provider having servers in the USA and elsewhere, limited protection from claims based on the activity of its users should you chose to avail it.

A response within 5 business days from the date of this email is expected to confirm the above required removal has taken place. In the event that the content is not removed by then for any reason, my principal requests that WMF promptly discloses the complete particulars of (a) all the infringing user/s and (b) all the persons below age of 18 years shown in these images as available to you along with the records of all their past transactions using your organization's servers.

Thank you for your time.

All rights reserved

Regards,

Toby Dollmann
Intellectual Property Agent
for "Intervacy Protection Services"
email : toby.dollmann-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org


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Re: [IAC#RG] Jaitley's interview -- INTERIM RELIEF???

URGENT
1. REQUEST, ASK; DEMAND, THAT Rs.10 LACKS BE PAID TO EACH FAUJI, TROUBLED BY THE DELAY IN SETTLEMENT OF ****DECADES OLD**** DUES, DUES; IMMEDIATELY, IMMEDIATELY ! 
> IN LIEU OF ALL DUES, DELAYS; INTEREST ON DELAYS; COMPENSATION & MENTAL AGONY ! 

2. STOP 50% OF PAY OF ALL babus TILL OROP IS PAID & SETTLED IN FULL, IN FULL !

3. THIS TRIBUNAL JAITLY IS TALKING ABOUT, IS BULL SHIT; FURTHER DELAYING TACTIC'S !

4. INDIA WILL ULTIMATELY LAND ITSELF INTO FOREIGN ENSLAVEMENT, AS IT HAS BEEN FOR A 1000 YEARS ! 
IF THE FAUJIS ARE *****FORCED, FORCED***** BY THE IDIOTIC; TO BEHAVE AS MUMBAI POLICE & neta-babus behaved > ""warlike situation"" of 26/11 

Pz 
From: E C Jacob <captainecjacob-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: "preavsmajorsltcdrssqnldrs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org" <preavsmajorsltcdrssqnldrs-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2014 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: Jaitley's interview -- INTERIM RELIEF???

Dear Sirs   No   Please . Let them ie the tribunal give a package as interim relief and repeat never accept MOD 's methodology as it will be drilling the nail to our coffin . 
Captain e c jacob   Lt Cdr , IN ( retd)

Sent from my iPhone



On 22-Oct-2014, at 20:44, Surinder Kumar Mehta <skmc119g-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Dear Major Jain & Maj. Virk,
While I broadly agree with Maj.Anand , I will  like to suggest a little different methodology . By reffering  it to aTribunal it is bound to take time as it seems is the basic intention of MoD. I suggest we accept  OROP  on MoDs suggested method purely as an Interim measure & let the Tribunal deliberate & come to a conclusion . The balance of payment will have to be paid with interest !!!   In this way MoD cannot have any excuse to delay OROP. If this suggestion is accepted by members  please put  it  up to appropiate forum / authorities .
Regards,
Sqn.Ldr. S.K.Mehta ( Retd )

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Ravi Joshi <majravijoshi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
very good and logical proposition by Respected Major CN ANAND Sir.
Ravi Joshi...in...mumbai.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:02 PM, C N Anand <cnanand <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Jaitley in an interview with Times Now mentioned that there are difference in opinion between the various parties involved about the calculations on OROP. He said that to resolve the issue a Tribunal might be appointed. If a tribunal is instituted, a lot of delay can be expected.

Don't tribunals take years to finalise?

Cannot we ask for interim relief to be payed while the tribunal deliberates?.  

Regards

Maj C N Anand (retd)  


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[IAC#RG] Happy Diwali.

Wishing all of you and your family a very Happy Diwali.

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ہمارا سچ ہے جو ہارانہیں ہےدنیاسے 

    تمہارے جھوٹکی میعاد ہم نے دیکھی ہے 

                               جاوید رحمانی

   جہان عشق نہ میری نہ سروری داند 

 ہمیں بس است  کہ  آئین چاکری داند 

                                 علامہ اقبال  

"علم کے تجربے سے تجربے کا علم بڑا ہوتا ہے "

 Experience of knowledge is lesser than the knowledge of experience

   مرے ہاتھ میں قلم ہےمرے ذہن میں اجالا

    مجھے  کیا  ڈرا  سکے گا کوئی ظلمتوںکا پالا

     مجھے فکر امن عالم ،تجھے اپنی ذات کا غم 

      میں طلوع ہو رہا ہوں ،تو غروب ہونے والا 

                                                   حبیب جالب 

 


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