Venkatraman Ns | 27 May 16:21 2015
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[IAC#RG] IS ELECTION COMMISSION NOW FOLLOWING MODEL SET BY JUDICIARY ?

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                                                      IS ELECTION COMMISSION NOW FOLLOWING MODEL SET BY  JUDICIARY ?

Most of Indians now think that judiciary is no more the conscience keeper of India. The recent verdict acquitting Tamil Nadu Chief Minister and giving bail to a rich actor in a few hours of conviction have only reinforced this view.

Just like judiciary, Election Commission is another constitutional body. While, in the past,  Election Commission has proved itself to be a weak body that cannot enforce rules effectively and has gained image as a paper tiger, now Election Commission is also suspected of deliberately favouring a politician.

The decision of the Election Commission to order by poll in a constituency in  Chennai within ten days of the vacancy arising that would facilitate the present Tamil Nadu Chief Minister to contest election, is shocking. There is no precedent that Election Commission has acted so fast in ordering by poll. Should we be so naïve as to believe that election commission has now become super efficient?

As Election Commission is now widely suspected, it owes an explanation as to what are the guidelines for ordering the by poll with regard to the number of days after the vacancy arising and why has it taken several months in ordering by polls on several other cases in the past.  Will the Election Commission  assure that in future , all by elections will be ordered within ten days of vacancy arising.

It is extremely depressing that constitutional body like Election Commission is behaving in such suspicious manner. Do the Election Commissioners understand the grave implication of acting in such partisan manner and do they realise that people losing confidence in constitutional body like Election Commission will lead to grave consequences?

N.S.Venkataraman

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Gaur J K | 28 May 09:35 2015
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[IAC#RG] FW: WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

28/5/15
Dispensing justice to more than 1.2 billion people under the colonial system which has continued after independence
has reached a stage of near collapse. Next democracy in terms of population is US with only 1/5 population and 5 times the judges ratio compared to India.

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Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 13:31:18 +0530

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Dear Sirs,

I am sorry to say that we are being unduly harsh on the judges forgetting the limitations under which they have to work.
Advocates are a part of the judicial system and why are we not blaming them for the delay and corruption?
Police are a part of the judicial system and why are we not blaming them for the delay, manipulation and corruption?
Govt. is a part of the judicial system as most of the cases of monetary nature-incometax, Sales tax, Excise, financial frauds originate from them and they keep on going into appeals in a routine manner-just clogging the judicial system.
We ourselves have become a litigant nation- and rush  to courts at the earliest opportunity without exhausting alternative
redressal mechanism. marital disputes, property disputes, inheritance and domestic violence fall into this catagory.
For infrastructure facilities in courts-the judiciary depends on the executive for funds. See the budget allocation for this.
The laws are made by the legislature. See the competence of the legislators for enacting laws which are clear, concise and not open to different interpretations. The judiciary has to act under that legal system.
For redresal of grievances against the Govt.,the judiciary developed the concept of Public litigation(PIL). You have to see the Nos of PILs being filed in Superior courts-many of them frivolous in nature and how much time the courts have to devote on the PILs
To my mind the main culprit is the Govt. who have been promising more that what they can deliver to the people,leading to frustration and sense of hopelessness.
JKGaur

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Sir, judges also decide cases on Give and Take  basis.





On Friday, 15 May 2015 1:08 AM, Girinder Singh <indiaresists-3hfIC0tI0F+k/GrYEfjPQg@public.gmane.org> wrote:


Dear Friends, the most common peoples who loves their country and in those veins the blood having P factor (patriotism) is flowing has been demoralised  before and after independence, our democracy has been a mockery of corrupt politicians, bureaucrats, judiciary, media even as 4th pillar is also seems corrupts many times some exceptions may be always there in all but it's true that most public is in anguish on corrupt practices which stops the progress & competeness of our beloved nations, no solution?

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On 12-May-2015, at 10:28 pm, jerry rosario <jerrysj1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

indeed depressing to know that judges
quite easily change the VERDICTS 

how come ?
jerry

On 12 May 2015 at 15:53, ADV. SUDHA GANDHI <advsudhagandhi <at> gmail.com> wrote:
YES,   IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE WHAT YOU OPINED ABOUT JUDICIARY IN INDIA.
   OUR  JUDICIAL SYSTEM IS NOT FUNCTIONING FAIRLY  FOR COMMON MAN, FOR
POOR PEOPLE, AND FOR HONEST PEOPLE.   MOREOVER  A TIE AMONG JUDGES,
SOLICITOR FIRMS, COUNSELS, POLITICIANS, INFLUENTIAL PERSONALITY, NAMED
AND FAMED ACTORS AND ALL SUCH LOBBY WITH THE HELP OF MONEY POWER  IN
WHOSE FAVOUR THE COURT DECIDES   AND 80% OF PEOPLE OF INDIA NEVER GET
JUSTICE IN TIME.      COMMON PEOPLE AND POOR HAS NO MONEY TO PAY
ENORMOUS FEES  TO ADVOCATES TO GET JUSTICE.      EVERY ONE KNOWS THAT
FACE VALUE OF COUNSEL AND NAME OF SOLICITORS' FIRM  COUNTS AND NOT A
MERITS OF THE CASE.      FURTHER  MANY POLITICIAN THOUGH INITIALLY
COME FROM COMMON MAN  SOCIETY BUT AS SOON AS HE OR SHE CHOOSES ANY
POLITICAL PARTY AND START GETTING HOLD IN PARTY BY DOING CORRUPT
PRACTICE TO COLLECT MONEY AND TO PROVIDE HUGE FUND TO THE POLITICAL
PARTY AND ON THAT MERIT ALONE HE SUCCEED TO GET TICKET FOR M.P. AND
M.L.A SEAT AS NOW ALL AWARE OF THIS FACT AND THEN THEY START  MAKING
CORRUPT THE ENTIRE ENVIRONMENT IN COUNTRY.    HOW PEOPLE CAN EXPECT
ANY HELP FROM SUCH SELFISH, RUDELY BEHAVED AND CORRUPT  POLITICIAN
WHO JUST WANT TO ENJOY THEIR LIFE AT THE COST OF TEX PAYER'S MONEY IN
INDIA.        HOW SUCH ARROGANT POLITICIAN    WILL BRING DEVELOPMENT
OF INDIA  AND BRING ACHHE DIN  FOR PEOPLE OF INDIA?    HOW PEOPLE PUT
TRUST IN SUCH GOVERNMENT THAT SUCH POLITICIANS WILL WORK HARD AND
PROVIDE SELFLESS SERVICE TO THE NATION AND MAKE LIFE OF PEOPLE OF
INDIA HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS?   PEOPLE Of  INDIA LOST INTEREST IN SUCH
SHAMELESS, CORRUPT AND ARROGANT POLITICIANS AND TIRED OF SUCH  INDIAN
DEMOCRACY WHERE NO HOPES LEFT FOR THE GOOD DAYS OF THE PEOPLE.  B.J.P.
WORRIED ABOUT BLACK MONEY KEPT IN FOREIGN BANK,   GOOD, BUT WHAT ABOUT
ALL POLITICIANS OF ALL POLITICAL PARTIES  WHO HAVE COLLECTED ENORMOUS
BLACK MONEY AND IS IN INDIA ONLY INCLUDING BLACK MONEY COLLECTED BY
B.J.P. PAST AND PRESENT MINISTERS AND PRESENT MINISTERS AND M.P. AND
M.L.A. OF B.J.P ABOUT WHOM MODIJI IS SILENT!   WHAT YOU ALL THINK
ABOUT IT?

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Venkatraman Ns
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> To
>
> India Against Corruption
>
>
>                                                                WHEN PEOPLE
> LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
>
> After several years of trial in a killing case, an actor was held guilty by
> the court and jail term awarded. But, he got bail in a few hours  from
> another judge. After several years of trial in a corruption case, a Chief
> Minister was found guilty and awarded jail term and hefty fine. But, after a
> few months, a higher court judge called her innocent and acquitted everyone
> involved totally. Now, one wonders which judge is right and which judge is
> wrong.
>
> While rich politicians and cinema actors seem to have the last laugh, there
> are thousands of dharidhranarayanas in India who stay in jail for lesser
> crime for several years without being heard. Are they not as much Indians as
> the cinema actor driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich politician
> indulging in corrupt practices ? Are we settling down for this sort of
> democracy in India ?
>
> An average common man in India, millions of whom do not have any political
> affiliation have already lost faith in the politicians in power and
> bureaucracy. He has been thinking that the judiciary is ultimate conscience
> keeper of the country. But, when judiciary give judgements with so much of
> contradiction between one judge and the other and  providing  bail and
> relief to the convicted actor and politicians with  great speed and with
> many judges in India already having been accused of corrupt practices in the
> past, people  tend to develop doubts about judiciary too.
>
> Now, what can a common man do , if he loses faith in politicians in power,
> bureaucrats and judges? It is alarming to think about such situation and the
> possibilities.
>
>
> N.S.Venkataraman
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Ashok B Sharma | 26 May 15:54 2015
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Re: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER IS ECCENTRICITY- or is it?

IAC has definitely good intentions - to fight against corruption. Corruption is a cancer in the system. Can we not think of addressing the systemic problem? Can we not think of redesigning the system in such a way so that the scope for corruption is minimised, if not totally eliminated? I think we should aim in this direction instead of making a hue and cry over Anti-Corruption Cell or publicising the drive against corruption

ASHOK B SHARMA
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Till now the country has been ruled by the bureaucrats, our servants, who have a duty to serve us, not rule. In Delhi, for the first time in any state of India, a party has come to power that does not want to continue  servants as rulers of this country. There can not be a greater delight to see how the defacto rulers i.e bureaucrats were shown their true place in the establishment. Locking the bureaucrats room was the first step in this direction. We wish and hope the bureaucracy is taught continually like this that they are servants of public. The rulers have a right to close their offices, and suspend and  terminate them. 

I have heard BJP guys saying often, " do not take pangas with bureaucracy." I particularly tasted this approach of BJP when we exposed and sought action in a corruption case involving EDMC Commissioner, two  years back.  A party with such principles can never fight corruption. 

Where servants are masters, do not expect much good. 

On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 11:21 AM, ravindra malhotra <indiaresists-3hfIC0tI0F+k/GrYEfjPQg@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Every establishment has its inbuilt resistance to change, it increases with size of such establishment. Political Parties, bureaucrats and Government have been working in a way - how so ever corrupt or honest its functionaries have been - they can not digest an upstart asking them to work another way. It is in fact the fight back of ESTABLISHMENTS - established political parties as well as
 bureaucrats against the peoples mandate given to AAP, which wanted to change the way the Govt's have been working. It was natural and evident and was fore seen by Kejriwal himself also, when he spoke after the win. What is surprising is that media  also does not seem to be happy with the change - they have also been part of the ESTABLISHMENT for too long.

R.N.Malhotra
Former Chairman Railway Board

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In my assessment, it is the BJP that is childish .... a spoilt brat. It has unnecessarily given an opening to the defunct Congress by its arrogance in parliment. It has tied up with PDF in JK. Its FM continues to raise taxes and cause inflation on the one hand, and wants RBI to cut rates on the other ! It unnecessarily delayed Delhi elections, which cost it a lot. It transferred honest Vigilance Officer of AIIMS, and refused to allot him to Delhi govt. Now it is childishly playing games in Delhi via Jung. Does it not remind one of Congress and Indira Gandhi / MM Singh ? It is time BJP realised that it should work as co-operator, not adversary, in the interest of the nation.

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Nobody is shocked at the wickedness
of the Centre which is egging the LG to create
hurdles in the functioning of the elected government. All
the top lawyers have
given their opinion on how LG is at fault. People remain
insensitive on real issues
as media is able to brainwash them and they find locking the
room a big issue.
Please know this is a fight between the vested interests and
the honest and
transparent politics.. People should support the latter.


Twitter: vinodvarshney2


Date: Wed, 20 May
2015 20:09:29 +0530
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IS ECCENTRICITY

Kejriwal is known for his ECCENTRICITY. He should
behave with responsibility and keep up the image of the post
he occupies. He should learn to respect the law of the
land.
Yes, if he feels the
existing laws are bad or otherwise and he should step down
and mobilise public opinion. Mahatma Gandhi protested
against repressive British laws through peaceful
satyagraha
ASHOK B
SHARMAIndependent Columnist
& Analyst
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This kind of behaviour pattern by someone in
cm's chair can further push the ppl to take law in their
hands and using bricks n mortar.

It is most unbecoming and uncalled for in civilian
society.
On 19 May 2015
13:29, "Venkatraman Ns" <nsvenkatchennai <at> gmail.com>
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 CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER
IS ECCENTRICITY


It is shocking 
that a senior officer of Delhi government was
locked out of his room in secretariat. Nobody would believe
if Mr. Kejriwal,
the Chief Minister would claim later on that he was not
aware of this. This is
a sort of behaviour that even a school boy would be ashamed
of. Obviously, the
governance in Delhi is now going for a toss.


If Mr. Kejriwal
would want to settle a
political score with the Lt. Governor of Delhi or the ruling
party in Central
government , he can proceed with the  methods that he
is known for, but why
humiliate a senior officer of his own government, who is not
involved in his
power games? Obviously, Mr. Kejriwal lacks the knowledge of
 fundamental principles of  fair governance
 and the wisdom that is expected to be
associated with a Chief Minister.

In the past, his
quixotic behaviour  like cutting the power connection
and later
on sitting in dharna as Chief Minister and signing files
sitting on the road
gave him lot of media attention. Perhaps, he believes that
only such behaviour
will be liked by the people of Delhi  and
as usual media will give him lot of space and therefore, he
continues to
exhibit such eccentricities. Are Delhi citizens as naïve as
he thinks ?
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Sritharan Chemtty | 25 May 08:04 2015
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Re: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER IS ECCENTRICITY

Look I too sat on fast in my town, when Anna Hazare gave a clarion call.
Today, AK had hijacked IAC from Annaji.
Now he came to power with people's mandate.
His responsibility is to deliver.

AK should stop his quixotic fights with media, BJP, CONG, LG etc.
His job is to fulfill his poll promises.
Before cleaning the politics, let AK clean his party first.

Again I repeat, Delhi CM is like a "glorified mayor"!
If he want to have statehood, let him dissolve his govt, fight with the central govt, sit in dharna and get it.

What case he filed against Shiela Dixit? Anil Ambani? and others?

Sritharan



On Monday, 25 May 2015 4:44 AM, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:


It is very boring to day in and day out hear on Tv the BJP and Congress types critise AAP for "governance", "anarchy", "seeking media attention", etc., etc. generalized and non-specific criticisms, the same variety that decimated the Congress to a grand zero, and the BJP to a princely three in Delhi elections.
One hopes that such defeated elements to first give account of their own performance in the past almost 70 years ...... where is the water, electricity, justice, roads, garbage disposal, corruption free administration, schools, hospitals, agricultural productivity, jobs, ..... and so on.
One hopes that such defeated elements are not going to win elections by hurling empty words at a performing government.

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To: "Sritharan Chemtty" <sritharan_chemtty-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org>, "indiaresists-3hfIC0tI0F+k/GrYEfjPQg@public.gmane.org" <indiaresists-3hfIC0tI0F+k/GrYEfjPQg@public.gmane.org>
Date: Sunday, May 24, 2015, 1:42 AM

ITS SHEER
INABILITY OF MR KEJRIWAL OT PERFORM AS CM AS HE PROMISED TO
PEOPLE OF DELHI THE HEAVEN. NOW HE IS FINDING IT DIFFICULT .
SO IS ALL THE PLAY ACT BEING DONE BY HIM. EARLIER HE WENT TO
THE STREET NOW HE IS DOING IT IN THE VIDHAN BHAVAN AND
SECRETERIAT.  RGdsArvind SrinivasDirectorCell     : +91-9821784148E-mail      :  arvindsavy-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org       
          
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      On Sunday, 24 May
2015 1:56 AM, Sritharan Chemtty
<sritharan_chemtty-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
   

  As a
former IRS officer, AK pretty well know about the
established system in Delhi as an UT.He also
know well about the role of LG in Delhi.Now AK
should accept, that, he is a "glorified mayor" of
Delhi, not a CM of a state.
In 100 days, he understood, that, it is impossible
to keep up his false promises.To escape, AK is doing all sorts of
dramas.
To claim full statehood, let him dissolve his govt
and go to the street.Blaming the central govt shows his
childishness.
Sritharan 


      On Thursday, 21 May
2015 11:22 PM, vinod varshney
<vinodvarshney-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
   

 


Nobody is shocked at the wickedness
of the Centre which is egging the LG to create
hurdles in the functioning of the elected government. All
the top lawyers have
given their opinion on how LG is at fault. People remain
insensitive on real issues
as media is able to brainwash them and they find locking the
room a big issue.
Please know this is a fight between the vested interests and
the honest and
transparent politics.. People should support the latter.


Twitter: vinodvarshney2


Date: Wed, 20 May
2015 20:09:29 +0530
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IS ECCENTRICITY

Kejriwal is known for his ECCENTRICITY. He should
behave with responsibility and keep up the image of the post
he occupies. He should learn to respect the law of the
land.
Yes, if he feels the
existing laws are bad or otherwise and he should step down
and mobilise public opinion. Mahatma Gandhi protested
against repressive British laws through peaceful
satyagraha
ASHOK B
SHARMAIndependent Columnist
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This kind of behaviour pattern by someone in
cm's chair can further push the ppl to take law in their
hands and using bricks n mortar.

It is most unbecoming and uncalled for in civilian
society.
On 19 May 2015
13:29, "Venkatraman Ns" <nsvenkatchennai-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
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                                                                  India
Against Corruption
                                           
 CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER
IS ECCENTRICITY


It is shocking 
that a senior officer of Delhi government was
locked out of his room in secretariat. Nobody would believe
if Mr. Kejriwal,
the Chief Minister would claim later on that he was not
aware of this. This is
a sort of behaviour that even a school boy would be ashamed
of. Obviously, the
governance in Delhi is now going for a toss.


If Mr. Kejriwal
would want to settle a
political score with the Lt. Governor of Delhi or the ruling
party in Central
government , he can proceed with the  methods that he
is known for, but why
humiliate a senior officer of his own government, who is not
involved in his
power games? Obviously, Mr. Kejriwal lacks the knowledge of
 fundamental principles of  fair governance
 and the wisdom that is expected to be
associated with a Chief Minister.

In the past, his
quixotic behaviour  like cutting the power connection
and later
on sitting in dharna as Chief Minister and signing files
sitting on the road
gave him lot of media attention. Perhaps, he believes that
only such behaviour
will be liked by the people of Delhi  and
as usual media will give him lot of space and therefore, he
continues to
exhibit such eccentricities. Are Delhi citizens as naïve as
he thinks ?
N.S.Venkataramantwitter :
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[rti_india] Delhi High Court directs for distribution of Chief IC’s cases to all ICs to clear the backlog [3 Attachments]

 
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The Delhi HC has directed the Central Information Commission to redistribute cases pending in the Registry of the Chief IC amongst all the present Commissioners, in order to clear the backlog.

(1) The Hon’ble Delhi High Court in a landmark decision dated 22-5-2015 (copy enclosed) has directed the Central Information Commission to allocate the cases pertaining to the Chief Information Commissioner to all the Information Commissioners, who shall hear them according to the seniority unless priority hearing is necessary.

(2) The High Court has also directed that priority hearing should not only be confined to the cases of Sr. Citizens and Physically Challenged Persons but should also extend to cases of life and liberty and other categories of such cases

(3) The High Court also directed the CIC to maintain a register digitally or otherwise, indicating date of institution and pendency of cases according to their age so that they could be heard chronologically.

(4) The above directions have been issued on the application filed by Shri R.K. Jain consequent upon the failure of the CIC to decide his complaint against Mrs. Sonia Gandhi, President, Indian National Congress for her deliberate failure to comply with the Full Bench decision of CIC to appoint CPIOs and First Appellate Authority under RTI Act, despite the directions dated 22-8-2014 of the Hon’ble Delhi High Court to decide the said complaint within 6 months. The Registrar’s communication dated 13-5-2015 refusing to place the matter before the Senior Information Commissioner is also attached. Shri J.K. Mittal, Advocate appeared on behalf of the Writ Petitioner.

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Babubhai Vaghela | 24 May 03:54 2015
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[IAC#RG] Regarding: WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Upper Caste Male Judges Secretly Select and Secretly Promote Upper Caste Male Judges in Democratic Republic India.  Rich and Influential have Faith in these Judges at HCs / SC. Not Commoners.

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Date: May 16, 2015 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
To: "indiaresists <at> lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists-3hfIC0tI0F+k/GrYEfjPQg@public.gmane.org>
Cc:


Sorry to say But I think that you are away from reality, seating in Air conditioned Room enjoying your retirement. You have forgotten the days of your struggle.
Today unaccounted persons are in jail, not guilty but waiting for their turn to be heard in Courts just to know why they are in prison for years, what is their guilt.
Supreme Court, Constitution, Big Politician from the large expensive stages shout and say Every one is equal in the eye of law. But while asking for justice..where I am from..who you are, the poor guy...its my greatness that you are alive.
Great Chandran ji...Great Indian, Great citizen you are. One person is asking for justice and instead of supporting him you are telling who is servant and who is Public, In whose hand is law and who is fighting for law..
Yes I agree that Govt. does not supports Judicial system financially, but dont forget we want justice and we will get it. 

Ankit Khetan
India
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Shri Venkataraman may kindly note that to err is human.Judges also may err-of course not with the intention to err.The error may be on a question of law or on a guestion of fact.To take care of such situations,law enables affected party to file Appeal,Review,Revision etc.Do you wantthe Appellate Court to confirm the trial court judgement in all cases and thereby make the people to have faith in judiciary.TrialCourt and Appellate Courts shall patiently hear the matter and give judgements with out fear or favour.They need not worry about the comments that may be made by persons like Shri.Venkataraman.

If the decision of Mr.Justice Kumaraswamy of the Hon'ble Karnataka High Court is based on erroneous calculation (mathematical error ) in calculating the total assets and total income and if the mismatch is really more than 10% as is being propogated by some opposition leaders  in Tamilnadu, a mere Application  for Review will be sufficient for the Judge to  correct the error.

The allegation was that since Ms.Jayalalitha  is a politician,the case was prolonged for more than a decade.On her coviction,when the Bail matter came up before the Supreme Court ,coditional Bail was granted,a consequence of which is expeditious disposal  of the Appeal which resulted in quick disposal of the Appeal.The economic status of the party concerned has nothing to do with the case.

A resourceful /wealthy party may be able to engage a team of legal experts and may be able to come out successful by taking advantage of the loopholes in law.A 'daridra narayana' may have to depend on a lawyer provided by Court or  Legal Services Authority who may  or may not be good/capable of handling the matter.It is only in this matter ,economically deprived persons are in a dis advantageous position.Bail is the Rule and Jail is an exception. Poor people are not capable of engaging a lawyer and in cases that are not very serious,amicus curie is not appointed by court for accused and hence they remain in jail for days, months and  at times years.

I shall cite a case (Mrs.Indirra Gandhi) where a High Court 's verdict was set aside by the Supreme Court,not because the High Court was wrong but because the Parliament amended the law with retrospective effect.Incurring expenses by a candidate above the cut off limit was an electoral malpractice even if the amount is spent by a  political party. Mrs.Gandhi was unseated as Congress spent in excess of the cut off amount.During emergency, law was amended with retrospective effect stipulating that money spent by political parties shall not be counted to calculate the cut off amount .Both the decisions were correct.
Perhaps Shri Venkataraman might not have uttered a word had Ms.Jayalalitha got the Prevention of Corruption  Act amended with retrospective effect exempting MPs,MLAs,MLCs and Central and State Ministers from the per view of the Prevention of Corruption  Act.I appreciate Ms Jayalalitha for fighting the case by filing Appeal engaging ,of course the best legal brain instead of managing to  amend the Prevention of Corruption  Act with the help of Mr Modi and also the DMK 
P.Mohana Chandran

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Raghavan R N <raghavan6-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Dear Sir,

If some one is  Punished by a Court, it does not mean Judiciary  is right . There are many cases  pending Judgement  in a number of Courts in india, the two recently came up for public attention is that of Ms Jayalalitha and Mr Salman Khan

Every one knows that  Ms Jayalalitha's case is one related to Politics and it is natural, every one wanted her to be punished[ her opponents].  She has been an actress for a long time and her back ground is too good to be considered that she amassed wealth only by political means.  Judgement by a Lower Court need not necessarily decide the final outcome. Law provides more options  till Supreme Court. If it is a fit case for fighting, Govt should initiate action to file a suit in Supreme Court. None prevented and no one should close this option. Counting dresses , chappals and other house hold articles for  estimating the assets of Ms Jayalalitha looks odd.

In the case of Ms Salman Khan, it can be appreciated that this case is not of national importance. Daily such run over cases happen in India and abroad and even yesterday three women were killed under the wheels of a police vehicle. It is an accident can be due to negligence.
Here too, the accused has options to appeal in higher court to get justice. Bail was granted as he is an actor and is working in number of FILMS. All get affected. Granting bail , fast or slow cannot be questioned. Definitely, prominent people get things done fast and for others, it takes time. It is Indian culture and way of doing things in India.  


raghavan rn



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Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:47:50 -0400
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One more case of SATYAM   Ramblings Raju. The fraud is a open book to every one. He got bail with in a month. 

B. VENKAT RAO

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On 12-May-2015, at 3:41 am, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Judiciary in India has made a mockery of themselves . They know that there is  no one in the governing system who can punish them for all the wrongs.
 Now with the judgement made in favour of Jayalalitha clearly shows that how our judiciary has been working . The presenting officers and the defence  advocates have been playing games with each other .At least punish out off  those who have been proved to be wrong .

Same thing happened with the case of Salman Khan.

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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India Against Corruption


                                                               WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
After several years of trial in a killing case, an actor was held guilty by the court and jail term awarded. But, he got bail in a few hours  from another judge. After several years of trial in a corruption case, a Chief Minister was found guilty and awarded jail term and hefty fine. But, after a few months, a higher court judge called her innocent and acquitted everyone involved totally. Now, one wonders which judge is right and which judge is wrong.
While rich politicians and cinema actors seem to have the last laugh, there are thousands of dharidhranarayanas in India who stay in jail for lesser crime for several years without being heard. Are they not as much Indians as the cinema actor driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich politician indulging in corrupt practices ? Are we settling down for this sort of democracy in India ?
An average common man in India, millions of whom do not have any political affiliation have already lost faith in the politicians in power and bureaucracy. He has been thinking that the judiciary is ultimate conscience keeper of the country. But, when judiciary give judgements with so much of contradiction between one judge and the other and  providing  bail and relief to the convicted actor and politicians with  great speed and with  many judges in India already having been accused of corrupt practices in the past, people  tend to develop doubts about judiciary too.
Now, what can a common man do , if he loses faith in politicians in power, bureaucrats and judges? It is alarming to think about such situation and the possibilities.

N.S.Venkataraman

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Babubhai Vaghela | 24 May 04:24 2015
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[IAC#RG] Why India has remained a developing country with poor denied basic necessities of life including housing?

Dear All,

In the so far prevalent Scandalous Collegium System, Upper Caste Male Judges Secretly Selected & Secretly Promoted Upper Caste Male Judges to occupy Positions at High Courts and Supreme Court of India.

These Upper Caste Male Judges Hear Cases at Own Whims and Fancy & Not FIFO (First In First Out).

These Upper Caste Male Judges Save Upper Caste Culprit Bureaucrats.

These Upper Caste Male Judges Save Upper Caste Culprit Corporates.

These Upper Caste Male Judges Save Upper Caste Culprit Ministers.

These Upper Caste Male Judges get Positions of  Power even after they have Retired as Judges ensuring their Dominance in Governance System.

Nothing surprising then that India remains a corrupted country with Justice denied to Commoners as Litigants - Petitioners or Respondents.

Only Totally Transparent, Objective and Democratic Selection / Promotion System can help Worthy to be Judges to Deliver Justice that has been denied to We the People so far.


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Venkatraman Ns | 22 May 16:47 2015
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[IAC#RG] ARE INDIAN JUDGES NOW UNDER TRIAL ?

       
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                                                                                 ARE INDIAN   JUDGES  NOW  UNDER  TRIAL ?

In recent times, several judgements  delivered by Supreme Court and High Courts have surprised and shocked common men.  While even the judges in USA have often come under severe criticism, the conditions in India appear to be no better.  So far, common men have believed that the judges would be the ultimate conscience keeper of the country and this belief is certainly getting eroded fast now.

While several judgements have raised lot of suspicions in the past, it has now reached a climax when a High court judge acquitted a Chief Minister in a corruption case based on wrong arithmetic calculation and a rich  actor was given bail in a   few hours after being convicted .These are all very disturbing signals which the country can ignore only at it’s peril. If the judges would not command faith amongst the people, the inevitable consequence will be that people would tend to believe that there would be no alternative other than resorting to violence to protect probity in public life. It is not clear yet whether the judges have realised the consequences of delivering judgements which  cause  blatant suspicions and misgivings  amongst the people.

Of course, it is true that the judges function in stressful conditions with high expectations of standards from the people., who may not understand many intricacies of the law and the facts. When a judgement is delivered, it inevitably happen  that one party  would suffer and another party  would triumph. There can also be genuine differences in  interpretation of  law while providing judgements.  While these factors are understandable, when judgements cause serious doubts amongst the people as to whether the judges have been impartial, it would be a tragic situation. Unfortunately, this appears to be what is happening in India today.

One cannot miss the fact that even retired judges of the High courts and Supreme courts have levelled  corruption charges  against sitting judges in recent times. While some say that this could be a situation similar to pot calling kettle black, nevertheless  such accusations are extremely disturbing.  There have been senior judges against whom molestation charges and land grabbing charges have been levelled and  common men believe that most of these charges appear to be true and genuine. In all such cases, the Supreme Court have not scrutinised the cases thoroughly but have allowed  the judges to go scot  free with judges rarely being punished .

On the other hand, several senior judges have no hesitation in accepting  posts such as Governor etc., which make people wonder as to whether these  judges have been rewarded by the government for any reason after their retirement. Why these judges place themselves in such suspicious circumstances by accepting such post retirement positions ?

It is now high time that the judges have to redeem their fair name amongst the people of India. Many believe that the Government of India’s move to appoint judges by setting up judicial commission is appropriate , as in the past, several judges have been appointed due to political reasons at the behest of politicians. Further, it is now seen that the judges have no qualm about sharing platform in meetings with business men and politicians , some of whom face charges in the court.

Before the public suspicion become worse, the judges should  immediately  atleast evolve a code of conduct for themselves and develop a mechanism where the code of conduct could be scrutinised.

The judges have no time to lose as the country men appear to be becoming impatient and developing a sense of  frustration , which make them say  YOU TOO JUDGES.

N.S.Venkataraman
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Vijay Kapoor | 20 May 10:41 2015
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Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

In this context, the recent order by SC as reported in the media, that a "judge" who has passed an absurd order
cannot be questioned, is even more absurd. Question then arises: that if the "judge"  even in an absurd
order cannot be questioned, can a judge who passes a criminal order, say, "go and shoot Mr. X" or "go and
commit rape" or "burn down the house" can also not be brought to book !? Then can an absurd "judge" who passes
an order, say, "I hereby sack the President of India" or "The parliament stands dissolved" be not brought
to book ?
The judges need to ponder the deleterious effects on the nation of their virtually complete accountability.

Regards,

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On Wed, 5/20/15, Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
 To: "Gopalkrishnan iyer" <iyer_ga@...>, "Dr. NC Jain"
<j_nc2000 <at> yahoo.com>, "vijay99kapoor@..."
<vijay99kapoor@...>, "indiaresists <at> lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@...>
 Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015, 1:04 AM

 The system was
 evolved taking into consideration of British
 laws.Most of the Advocates follow
 the same and being influenced the judges pass the
 order.The
 Justice is never delivered it is purchased.   
 Warm regards,    
 Rakshpal Abrol
 Consumer Activist
 9820203154
 rakshpal.abrol@...

       
  From: Gopalkrishnan
 iyer <indiaresists@...>

 To: Dr. NC Jain
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 "vijay99kapoor@..."
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 2015 3:22 PM
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 WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE
 ALARMING

 There is
 no doubt left as to the fact that Indian justice system is
 not free from influence from powers that be, money power and
 high profile advocates.The recent verdicts one after the
 other seeng Salman khan virtually a free man within hours
 despite being convicted is ample proof that justice delivery
 is maneovreable! Harish Salve's presense in the court in
 a way subdued the Justice!! Or else all those involved in
 deliberating whether Salman is a culprit or not are  not at
 all knowing the law on which they argued for 13 years! 
 Jayalalitha'scase too is anopther instance cite!  Can a
 common man avail the services of Salve or the like of him
 and if so at what cost and how fast! Common man has to wait
 for months for an appontment where as all appointments were
 cancelled and flew down in Salmans case!!I should
 say the justice system also is influenced by status of
 people involved!

 Insider
 trader Gupta in the US was convicted in a matter of days and
 sentence followed in the same pace whereas Harshad
 Mehta's case is far from being over though the accused
 passed away long back!
 I think the jury system
 could speed up the justice system with least chance of a
 faulty delivery of justice

  

 

 
   On Monday, 18 May 2015 12:47 PM, Dr.
 NC Jain <indiaresists@...> wrote:

 
  Dear
 sir    
 Such instances are very common.As everone is aware, justice
 delayed is justice denied and In India, it is a common
 practice in almost,most department. I have a case of
 noncompliance of CIC order for the last 4 years and cic is
 not replying/taking any action on it. In short,India is free
 but not Indians.We have to struggle to make Indians free.
 Dr
 N C Jain  

 
      On Friday, May 15, 2015 1:14 AM,
 Vijay Kapoor <indiaresists@...> wrote:

 
  In
 theory there appeals are possible to set right the wrongs of
 lower courts. But things are entirely different in
 practice.
 I cite a couple of my own
 experiences:

 1.  I filed a
 consumer complaint against a leading industrialist and
 builder of Goa in the State Consumer court. The
 "president judge", one Mr. Nelson Britto,
 apparently held the case in my favour because he granted me
 penal damages of Rs. 3.0 lacs against the builder. But look
 at the sheer malafides of the "judge" and his
 "order", who apparently imposed the penalty as a
 smokescreen to shield AND REWARD the errant industrialist.
 His entire order does not mention a single word as to why he
 imposed the penalty, and whether the builder was in
 deficency, in unfair trade practices, and providing
 hazardous services, WHEN the industrialist-builder has lied
 under oath and put a false document said to be the NOC from
 navy in the agreement to sell; the builder admitted in
 cross-examination under oath in that he destroyed evidence;
 that he never obtained the mandatory NOC from navy; that the
 brochure placed on record by me was his brochure; that he
 contravened
  Registration Act; that he
 contravened The Transfer of Property Act by not disclosing
 material defects in the property; etc. and so on. There is a
 contravention of at least half a dozen major Acts and laws
 of the land. But the "judge" does not discuss any
 of the law points involved and does not utter a single word
 about all those. Finally to cap it all the "judge"
 ignores the prayers made by me to either give market value
 (with written quotations from 5 vicinity builders) OR a
 similar flat in nearby locality. Instead he gives interest  <at> 
 15%, which means a loss in capital value to me of over 10
 lacs (excluding interest cost), and a corresponding gain to
 the industrialist.

 2.  In
 another case in the same court the "judge", one
 Mr. Prabhudessai, who claims to be a law teacher in a local
 college, ignores all evidence on record and several points
 of law raised: Can the opposite party submissions that are
 not on affidavit and are merely verbal, be entertained by
 the court; Can a piece of paper without an Invoice Number /
 Tax registration, taxes be a valid "Invoice /
 Bill"; can the OP who has approached the court in not
 good faith be entertained; when there are 6 different
 agreements between the parties and with different dates and
 terms & conditions, can the matter be properly decided
 without first deciding which of the agreements is the valid
 one; when the OP himself does not dispute or refute the
 evidence placed on record, can the "judge"
 unilaterally decide differently that too without any
 reasoning; can the "judge" overrule at least 10 SC
 judgments on different subjects; can the "judge"
 overrule the law and the intent to
  the
 parliment; can the "judge" order costs when
 several issues of law have been raised; etc. The appeal
 before the National Commission was the same  .......
 non-appreciation of evidence on record and several  law
 points raised. At this point as I came down with health
 problems I could not pursue the matter in the SC.

 There are many fine judges (I
 recall Justices Mr. Sachar and Mrs. Leila Seth, who settled
 my PF case in just 4 hearings and did not allow the govt.
 lawyers to dilly-dally. I also recall the justice in Delhi
 HC, who put his foot down by telling the govt judges to get
 on with their defence, if any, and the outcome was quaterly
 disclosure of results by corporates, and also certain
 provisins for transparency in results.) But, the problem is
 all-persuasive, and is not limited to the judiciary only. As
 the SC itself has said that the judges are part of the same
 society. One hopes that one encounters the good judges,
 babus, netas, of which there are many.

 There is need for ALL-ROUND reform as in
 REFORM. The elections, administration, judiciary, police,
 education, health, ... just everything.

 Regards,

 
 --------------------------------------------
 On Thu, 5/14/15, P.Mohana Chandran <p.mohanachandran50@...>
 wrote:

  Subject: Re:
 [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES
 CAN BE ALARMING
  To: indiaresists@...
  Date: Thursday, May 14, 2015, 1:08 AM

  Shri Venkataraman may
  kindly note that to err is human.Judges also
 may err-of
  course not with the intention to
 err.The error may be on a
  question of law
 or on a guestion of fact.To take care of

 such situations,law enables affected party to file
  Appeal,Review,Revision etc.Do you wantthe
 Appellate Court to
  confirm the trial court
 judgement in all cases and thereby
  make the
 people to have faith in judiciary.TrialCourt and
  Appellate Courts shall patiently hear the
 matter and give
  judgements with out fear or
 favour.They need not worry about
  the
 comments that may be made by persons like

 Shri.Venkataraman.
  If the decision of
 Mr.Justice Kumaraswamy of
  the Hon'ble
 Karnataka High Court is based on erroneous

 calculation (mathematical error ) in calculating the
 total
  assets and total income and if the
 mismatch is really more
  than 10% as is
 being propogated by some opposition leaders

  in Tamilnadu, a mere Application  for Review will be
  sufficient for the Judge to  correct the
 error.
  The allegation was that since
  Ms.Jayalalitha  is a politician,the case was
 prolonged for
  more than a decade.On her
 coviction,when the Bail matter
  came up
 before the Supreme Court ,coditional Bail was
  granted,a consequence of which is expeditious
 disposal  of
  the Appeal which resulted in
 quick disposal of the
  Appeal.The economic
 status of the party concerned has
  nothing
 to do with the case.
  A resourceful /wealthy
 party may be able
  to engage a team of legal
 experts and may be able to come
  out
 successful by taking advantage of the loopholes in law.A
  'daridra narayana' may have to depend
 on a lawyer
  provided by Court or  Legal
 Services Authority who may  or
  may not be
 good/capable of handling the matter.It is only in
  this matter ,economically deprived persons are
 in a dis
  advantageous position.Bail is the
 Rule and Jail is an
  exception. Poor people
 are not capable of engaging a lawyer
  and in
 cases that are not very serious,amicus curie is not
  appointed by court for accused and hence they
 remain in jail
  for days, months and  at
 times years.
  I shall cite a case
 (Mrs.Indirra Gandhi)
  where a High Court
 's verdict was set aside by the
  Supreme
 Court,not because the High Court was wrong but
  because the Parliament amended the law with
 retrospective
  effect.Incurring expenses by
 a candidate above the cut off
  limit was an
 electoral malpractice even if the amount is

 spent by a  political party. Mrs.Gandhi was unseated as
  Congress spent in excess of the cut off
 amount.During
  emergency, law was amended
 with retrospective effect
  stipulating that
 money spent by political parties shall not

 be counted to calculate the cut off amount .Both the
  decisions were correct.Perhaps Shri
  Venkataraman might not have uttered a word
 had
  Ms.Jayalalitha got the Prevention of
 Corruption  Act
  amended with retrospective
 effect exempting MPs,MLAs,MLCs
  and Central
 and State Ministers from the per view of the
  Prevention of Corruption  Act.I appreciate Ms
 Jayalalitha
  for fighting the case by filing
 Appeal engaging ,of course
  the best legal
 brain instead of managing to  amend the

 Prevention of Corruption  Act with the help of Mr Modi
 and
  also the DMK P.Mohana

 Chandran
  On Wed, May 13, 2015
  at 9:08 AM, Raghavan R N <raghavan6@...>
  wrote:

  

  Dear Sir,

 If some one is  Punished by a Court, it does not
  mean Judiciary  is right . There are many
 cases  pending
  Judgement  in a number of
 Courts in india, the two recently
  came up
 for public attention is that of Ms Jayalalitha and
  Mr Salman Khan
  Every one
 knows that  Ms Jayalalitha's case
  is
 one related to Politics and it is natural, every one
  wanted her to be punished[ her opponents]. 
 She has been an
  actress for a long time and
 her back ground is too good to
  be
 considered that she amassed wealth only by political
  means.  Judgement by a Lower Court need not
 necessarily
  decide the final outcome. Law
 provides more options  till
  Supreme Court.
 If it is a fit case for fighting, Govt should
  initiate action to file a suit in Supreme
 Court. None
  prevented and no one should
 close this option. Counting
  dresses ,
 chappals and other house hold articles for

  estimating the assets of Ms Jayalalitha looks
  odd.
  In the case of Ms Salman
 Khan, it can be
  appreciated that this case
 is not of national importance.
  Daily such
 run over cases happen in India and abroad and
  even yesterday three women were killed under
 the wheels of a
  police vehicle. It is an
 accident can be due to
  negligence.Here too,
 the accused has options to
  appeal in higher
 court to get justice. Bail was granted as

 he is an actor and is working in number of FILMS. All get
  affected. Granting bail , fast or slow cannot
 be questioned.
  Definitely, prominent people
 get things done fast and for
  others, it
 takes time. It is Indian culture and way of doing
  things in India.  

  raghavan rn

 

  From: boompellivenkatrao@...
  Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:47:50 -0400
  To: indiaresists@...
  Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH
 IN JUDICIARY ,
  CONSEQUENCES CAN BE
 ALARMING

  One more case of
 SATYAM   Ramblings Raju. The fraud is
  a
 open book to every one. He got bail with in a
  month. 
  B. VENKAT RAO
  Sent from my iPhone
  On
 12-May-2015, at 3:41 am, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@...>
  wrote:

 
 Judiciary in India has
  made a mockery of
 themselves . They know that there is  no

 one in the governing system who can punish them for all
 the
  wrongs. Now with the judgement made in
 favour of
  Jayalalitha clearly shows that
 how our judiciary has been
  working . The
 presenting officers and the defence

  advocates have been playing games with each other .At
  least punish out off  those who have been
 proved to be
  wrong .
  Same
 thing happened with the case of Salman

 Khan.
  On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM,
 Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@...>
  wrote:
  To

 India Against Corruption

 

  

                                                           
      WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY
  , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

  
  After
 several years
  of trial in a killing case,
 an actor was held guilty by the
  court and
 jail term
  awarded. But, he got bail in a
 few hours 
  from another judge. After
 several years of trial in a
  corruption
 case, a
  Chief Minister was found guilty and
 awarded jail term and
  hefty fine. But,
  after a few months, a higher court judge
 called her innocent
  and acquitted
  everyone involved totally. Now, one wonders
 which judge is
  right and which judge
  is wrong. 

 
 While rich
  politicians and cinema actors
 seem to have the last laugh,
  there are
 thousands
  of dharidhranarayanas in India
 who stay in jail for lesser
  crime for
 several
  years without being heard. Are they
 not as much Indians as
  the cinema actor
  driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich
 politician
  indulging in corrupt
  practices ? Are we settling down for this sort
 of democracy
  in India ?

 
  An average common man
  in
 India, millions of whom do not have any political
  affiliation have already
  lost
 faith in the politicians in power and bureaucracy. He
  has been thinking that
  the
 judiciary is ultimate conscience keeper of the country.
  But, when judiciary
  give
 judgements with so much of contradiction between one
  judge and the other
  and
  providing  bail and relief
  to the
 convicted actor and
  politicians with
  great speed and with
   many judges in
 India already having been
  accused of
 corrupt practices in the past, people 

 tend to develop doubts about judiciary

 too.

  Now, what can a
  common man do , if he loses faith in
 politicians in power,
  bureaucrats and
  judges? It is alarming to think about such
 situation and the
  possibilities.
  N.S.Venkataraman

  

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Ashok B Sharma | 20 May 16:39 2015
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Re: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER IS ECCENTRICITY

Kejriwal is known for his ECCENTRICITY. He should behave with responsibility and keep up the image of the post he occupies. He should learn to respect the law of the land.

Yes, if he feels the existing laws are bad or otherwise and he should step down and mobilise public opinion. Mahatma Gandhi protested against repressive British laws through peaceful satyagraha

ASHOK B SHARMA
Independent Columnist & Analyst

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This kind of behaviour pattern by someone in cm's chair can further push the ppl to take law in their hands and using bricks n mortar.
It is most unbecoming and uncalled for in civilian society.

On 19 May 2015 13:29, "Venkatraman Ns" <nsvenkatchennai-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

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                                             CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER IS ECCENTRICITY


It is shocking  that a senior officer of Delhi government was locked out of his room in secretariat. Nobody would believe if Mr. Kejriwal, the Chief Minister would claim later on that he was not aware of this. This is a sort of behaviour that even a school boy would be ashamed of. Obviously, the governance in Delhi is now going for a toss.

If Mr. Kejriwal would want to settle a political score with the Lt. Governor of Delhi or the ruling party in Central government , he can proceed with the  methods that he is known for, but why humiliate a senior officer of his own government, who is not involved in his power games? Obviously, Mr. Kejriwal lacks the knowledge of  fundamental principles of  fair governance  and the wisdom that is expected to be associated with a Chief Minister.

In the past, his quixotic behaviour  like cutting the power connection and later on sitting in dharna as Chief Minister and signing files sitting on the road gave him lot of media attention. Perhaps, he believes that only such behaviour will be liked by the people of Delhi  and as usual media will give him lot of space and therefore, he continues to exhibit such eccentricities. Are Delhi citizens as naïve as he thinks ?


N.S.Venkataraman

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Sarbajit Roy | 19 May 17:52 2015
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[IAC#RG] Complaint from "Delhi Dialogue Commission" website

To:
The Secretary
Dept of Administrative Reforms
GoNCTD

cc: Chief Secretary/GoNCTD for information

Re:  File: 12/06/2015/DDC/AR/2283-2452

Sir,

Subject: Grievance
http://www.delhidialoguecommission.in/form/DDC20150519154103-Governance.html

I refer to the gazette notfn. dt. 26 March 2015 under your title
relating to setting up of some kind of ad-hoc public commission styled
as "Delhi Dialogue Commission".

Because I am aggrieved that the appellation "Commission" has been
attached to the plagiarized term "Delhi Dialogue" by Aam Aadmi Party
ministers, I am caused to know from you the specific basis in law or
Rule in the GoNCTD's "Transaction of Business Rules 1993" under which
this Commission has been appointed.

For ready reference, whereas the Union of India's Transaction of
Business Rules 1961 is very specific on appointment and procedures for
the public commissions, commissions of inquiry and ad-hoc commissions,
it appears there are no such enabling clauses for GoNCTD.

You will appreciate that under the 1993 Rules the liability devolves
upon yourself or the Chief Secretary severally for any breach or loss.

The complaint can be accessed at URL
http://www.delhidialoguecommission.in/form/DDC20150519154103-Governance.html

NB:  In case the complaint / grievance is not properly acknowledged
within 5 days, a vigilance complaint is generated against the
concerned department / officer by the undersigned.

sincerely

Sarbajit Roy
http://www.delhidialoguecommission.in
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