Venkatraman Ns | 30 Jul 16:14 2015
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[IAC#RG] The Lawless Lawyers


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                                                                                                                                                      THE  LAWLESS  LAWYERS



The chairman of Bar Council of India said recently in Chennai that one third of the lawyers in India are fake. But, the loud mouthed lawyers did not comment about this startling revelation and are conspicuous by silence.

Drunken brawl between lawyers in Chennai are no more uncommon. Many law students in Chennai have fought  pitched battles with stones and draggers  and murders have been reported. While such unsavoury incidents continue, it now has reached a new low , as the lawyers in Puduchery prevented the magistrate from leaving the chamber, when he remanded a junior lawyer for misconduct. The crowd of lawyers insisted that the accused  lawyer  should be released on bail and the magistrate yielded so that he could come out of the court complex. Similar conditions prevail all over India.

Lawyers are known to say lies without twinkling of eyelid  but the image of the lawyers have now become so tarnished that people are no more surprised , when it is revealed that one third of the lawyers in India are fake.

Many people are now suspicious of some of the judgements and several judges at various levels face accusation of corrupt practices. The lawless lawyers only further reflect on the state of judiciary in India.

It is extremely important that a screening committee should be immediately appointed by government of India to filter out the fake lawyers all over the country. Lawyers all over India should be asked to submit their qualification credentials for verification and the task cannot be simply left to bar council of India.  It is too serious a situation , as judges are being selected out of these lawyers and judiciary has a very important role to play in safeguarding probity in public life.


N.S.Venkataraman

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Sarbajit Roy | 2 Aug 05:03 2015
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Re: [IAC#RG] Petition for True - up for FY 2013-14, Review 2014-15 and ARR for FY 2015-16 (R-33 B)

To:
1) Secretary, DERC
2) TPDDL(Regulatory Division)


Dear Sir(s)/ Madam(s),

With reference to the hearing notice for 4-August-2015 at theSiri Fort Auditorium, I sincerely hope and expect that the Hon'ble Commission shall issue suitable directions that only the registered respondents who have actually responded are allowed into the venue, and that the proceedings are not disturbed, like they were last year, by strangers seeking to derive political advantage or other advantage .

We further expect that the Hon'ble Commission shall not recognise such persons or allow them to speak if they some how manage to gain entry. 

That furthermore if such persons raise political slogans inside or nearby the police should be promptly directed to expel them forthwith and produce them before a magistrate.

respectfully

Er. Sarbajit Roy
Respondent No.33-B
National Convenor,
India Against Corruption, janandolan
New Delhi.


On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Manisha Taneja <manisha.taneja-o8eM7edEF3CYPoO1hL0TiAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> wrote:

 

Dear Sir/Madam,

  

Please find enclosed our response on your comments on Petition for True up for FY 13-14, Review 2014-15 and ARR for FY 2015-16 forwarded by Hon’ble Commission vide  email dated  july  24, 2015.

 

 

Thanking You

 

For TATA Power Delhi Distribution Limited

 

 



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Sarbajit Roy | 30 Jul 03:37 2015
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[IAC#RG] PUBLIC GRIEVANCE about ACB Delhi under Vigilance Dept GoNCTD

To:
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cc: (for information)
1) Addl Secy to LG/Delhi
2) Commissioner of Police/Delhi

URGENT: PUBLIC GRIEVANCE


Respected Sir

I am reliably given to understand that monitoring and supervision of Delhi's Anti Corruption Branch (ACB) is retained with yourself


I am shocked to infer from credible recent reports in the national media that the highly publicised 1031 helpline is actually a fraud carried out by private persons, apparently closely related to present Chief Minister of Delhi and his associates, and that the lakhs of complaints submitted by citizens have been actually used for extortion / blackmail against honest officers and to perpetuate the regime of corruption Delhi is historically notorious for,

Accordingly I would be obliged if you would kindly urgently inquire into the reasons why my 9 complaints against corrupt officers of GoNCTD, made to the number 1031, have not been acted upon.

Specifically, I would be obliged if the proper FIR, as prescribed vide Punjab Police Rules and CrPC, for my information relating to corruption in 1031 helpline and disclosing commission of associated cognisable offences which was given by me on Saturday 25.July.2015 at 3:15 PM to Anti Corruption Branch is provided to me immediately and certainly within 48 hours.

PS:  You may also kindly inquire why the aforementioned  ACB website link has not been updated since 2006, as such shoddiness reflects quite poorly the image of the Hon'ble Lieut Governor of Delhi's administration and your own performance.

sincerely

Sarbajit Roy
NationalConvenor
India Against Corruption,jan andolan

B-59 Defence Colony 
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Anil Kumar Dhir | 23 Jul 06:18 2015
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[IAC#RG] O R O P

My following observation needs to be checked up for authencity, for if was understood by the concerned Individuals, the problem of OROP would not have been created. 

Mind and thoughts are bound to go disarray in ignorance of the same, & towards taking erroneous adminitrative decisions, related to Indian Army, Indian Navy & the Indian Air Force.

Officials in our Government, IAS, IFS, IPS etc. . .  organisations, besides majority of our corrupt Politicians are ignorant of the fact and reason to appreciate (& I guess that I am right) that it is only the OFFICERs of the Indian Armed Forces, are handed over Commissioning Orders duly signed by the President of INDIA, in ink.

The point is. . .that they need to ponder & have sense enough to understand, why it is thus!?!
 
Cmde. AK Dhir (Retd.)I.N.



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[rti_india] CIC now has 20 CPIOs including a Public Grievance Officer ! [2 Attachments]

 
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CIC now has 20 CPIOs - including one with responsibility of Public Grievance Officer (PGO) !

The original circular and the corrigendum are attached to this post.
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[RTI INDIA] "Eminence" of Mr Shri Sudhir Bhargava, Information Commissioner

As per Namit Sharma II, the SC had directed in para 32(v):

(v) We further direct that the Committees under Sections 12(3) and 15(3) of the Act while 
making recommendations to the President or to the Governor, as the case may be, for 
appointment of Chief Information Commissioner and Information Commissioners must 
mention against the name of each candidate recommended, the facts to indicate his 
eminence in public life, his knowledge in the particular field and his experience in the 
particular field and these facts must be accessible to the citizens as part of their right to 
information under the Act after the appointment is made. 

However, no such disclosure made on the CIC website :


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C K Maitra | 20 Jul 19:07 2015
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Re: [IAC#RG] It is Time to shut the IAS Down

Dear Gen Phagura

Sir , very well analysed.

Brig Maitra

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> On 18-Jul-2015, at 9:19 am, Randhir Phagura <rsphagura@...> wrote:
> 
> While the article gives valid arguments for reform of the 'great' IAS, the real problem are the
politicians. These are not enlightened people but only the riff-raff 'dadas' who have climbed up to their
respective positions over the shoulders of our naive, gullible, ignorant and indolent compatriots.
Many of them are coerced by these 'dadas' through the neo-feudal and neo-vassal system that is yet rife in
our unfortunate land.
> These politicians are not knowledgeable about anything. Their mental capabilities are very limited. If
they had any capability then they would not have chosen politics as a career; they might have joined the IAS
or the Services or other such competitive avenues. They, therefore, have no clues about the ministries
allocated to them. Hence, they are completely dependent on the Babu who is very intelligent and cunning
and plays tricks on them in such a way that they literally 'eat out of his hands'. They are thus very happy
with the arrangement and support the Babu to run his writ as he pleases. They have not joined politics to
serve the people but to serve themselves and just to fill the gap in the vacancies left by the
intelligentsia who do not wish to 'dirty their hands', so to say! Hence, the idea of reforming the IAS would
never ever enter their head.
> Modi is a different politician in that he wishes to serve the Nation and he is sincere about it. He is
exerting himself to the hilt. But results are not matching his efforts. Reason again is limited
capability. Now consider the capabilities of say Obama, Putin or even XI with those of Narinder Modi. He
too, therefore, was not very clear as to 'HOW' he has to proceed in order to get to the very laudable
objectives that he had spelled in the beginning.
> But capability is not the only handicap. The other impediment is opposition to him within the party. His
position is anything but strong in the BJP. Recall that the same people who are today occupying prominent
positions in his cabinet were, at one stage, opposed to him till he got the thumping majority for them. They
are still watchful for any slip by him. That might be the reason that he could not take any action against the
'fraudulent ladies'. Hence, he cannot take any strong decision such as were taken by Indira Gandhi, as PM.
The question of reforming the IAS, then, may not have entered his thoughts, as yet. In due course as and when
he is on a firmer ground, politically, he may venture upon it.
> Meanwhile, one important aspect of the IAS reforms was to confine them to particular branches of
administration such as 'Finance' 'Home', 'Defence' and so on; just as the services are confined to their
respective arms and services. The IFS are already specialists in the External Affairs and hence, better
informed about their subject. The same could be done for other branches of administration. Taking the
totals for the States as well, there would be sufficient vacancies in each branch.
> The intelligentsia, on its part, must bring out the subject topic in the open and let it be discussed in the
TV and print media.Confining to the internet is a limitation.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Randhir Phagura
> 
> Maj Gen (Retd.)
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Shama Zaidi | 21 Jul 04:03 2015
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Re: [IAC#RG] It is Time to shut the IAS Down

These are all very well-articulated points Maj Gen Phagura, and specialization of the official cadre is vital for our progress. Perhaps inducting specialists from outside the IAS by each incoming government might work out better. These persons would be for the duration of the ruling party/coalition and would resign at the end of the term. This is the practice as you well know in the USA. I do not know how it works in China, but they have had competitive exams for 2000 years, and probably know more about how to handle bureaucrats, than any other country in the world. Granted that our elected politicians are not very bright, but then George Bush was a certified idiot, as are many elected members in the USA.

On 18 July 2015 at 09:19, Randhir Phagura <rsphagura-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
While the article gives valid arguments for reform of the 'great' IAS, the real problem are the politicians. These are not enlightened people but only the riff-raff 'dadas' who have climbed up to their respective positions over the shoulders of our naive, gullible, ignorant and indolent compatriots. Many of them are coerced by these 'dadas' through the neo-feudal and neo-vassal system that is yet rife in our unfortunate land.
These politicians are not knowledgeable about anything. Their mental capabilities are very limited. If they had any capability then they would not have chosen politics as a career; they might have joined the IAS or the Services or other such competitive avenues. They, therefore, have no clues about the ministries allocated to them. Hence, they are completely dependent on the Babu who is very intelligent and cunning and plays tricks on them in such a way that they literally 'eat out of his hands'. They are thus very happy with the arrangement and support the Babu to run his writ as he pleases. They have not joined politics to serve the people but to serve themselves and just to fill the gap in the vacancies left by the intelligentsia who do not wish to 'dirty their hands', so to say! Hence, the idea of reforming the IAS would never ever enter their head.
Modi is a different politician in that he wishes to serve the Nation and he is sincere about it. He is exerting himself to the hilt. But results are not matching his efforts. Reason again is limited capability. Now consider the capabilities of say Obama, Putin or even XI with those of Narinder Modi. He too, therefore, was not very clear as to 'HOW' he has to proceed in order to get to the very laudable objectives that he had spelled in the beginning.
But capability is not the only handicap. The other impediment is opposition to him within the party. His position is anything but strong in the BJP. Recall that the same people who are today occupying prominent positions in his cabinet were, at one stage, opposed to him till he got the thumping majority for them. They are still watchful for any slip by him. That might be the reason that he could not take any action against the 'fraudulent ladies'. Hence, he cannot take any strong decision such as were taken by Indira Gandhi, as PM. The question of reforming the IAS, then, may not have entered his thoughts, as yet. In due course as and when he is on a firmer ground, politically, he may venture upon it.
Meanwhile, one important aspect of the IAS reforms was to confine them to particular branches of administration such as 'Finance' 'Home', 'Defence' and so on; just as the services are confined to their respective arms and services. The IFS are already specialists in the External Affairs and hence, better informed about their subject. The same could be done for other branches of administration. Taking the totals for the States as well, there would be sufficient vacancies in each branch.
The intelligentsia, on its part, must bring out the subject topic in the open and let it be discussed in the TV and print media.Confining to the internet is a limitation.

Regards,

Randhir Phagura

Maj Gen (Retd.)

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Ravindran P M | 21 Jul 07:26 2015
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Re: [IAC#RG] It is Time to shut the IAS Down

Sorry, Gen Randhir Phagura, I beg to differ with your opinion. My views, founded on 'experiments with accountability and transparency in government' has helped me to form my own opinion as under:

Amoung the three organs of our Constitution the law-makers are controlled by the people, bureaucracy (yes, bureaucracy, because without the active support of the bureaucracy no politician can do any wrong!) and finally the judiciary; the law-enforcers are also controlled by the law-makers and the judiciary. And then there are the ears and eyes of the people- the media waiting to sensationalise every news involving the misdemeanour of these authorities. Inspite of such strict supervision and control all that we can hear these days are about politician-bureaucrat-underworld nexus even though the fact remains that none, worth the name, from this unholy nexus have ever been punished by the holier-than-thou judiciary.
So now think how bad a system can be which is not only NOT subject to supervision but also kept beyond critical observation. Well isn’t our judiciary is just that? And do I need to recapitulate that quip: power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely?

regards

ravi

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Randhir Phagura <rsphagura-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
While the article gives valid arguments for reform of the 'great' IAS, the real problem are the politicians. These are not enlightened people but only the riff-raff 'dadas' who have climbed up to their respective positions over the shoulders of our naive, gullible, ignorant and indolent compatriots. Many of them are coerced by these 'dadas' through the neo-feudal and neo-vassal system that is yet rife in our unfortunate land.
These politicians are not knowledgeable about anything. Their mental capabilities are very limited. If they had any capability then they would not have chosen politics as a career; they might have joined the IAS or the Services or other such competitive avenues. They, therefore, have no clues about the ministries allocated to them. Hence, they are completely dependent on the Babu who is very intelligent and cunning and plays tricks on them in such a way that they literally 'eat out of his hands'. They are thus very happy with the arrangement and support the Babu to run his writ as he pleases. They have not joined politics to serve the people but to serve themselves and just to fill the gap in the vacancies left by the intelligentsia who do not wish to 'dirty their hands', so to say! Hence, the idea of reforming the IAS would never ever enter their head.
Modi is a different politician in that he wishes to serve the Nation and he is sincere about it. He is exerting himself to the hilt. But results are not matching his efforts. Reason again is limited capability. Now consider the capabilities of say Obama, Putin or even XI with those of Narinder Modi. He too, therefore, was not very clear as to 'HOW' he has to proceed in order to get to the very laudable objectives that he had spelled in the beginning.
But capability is not the only handicap. The other impediment is opposition to him within the party. His position is anything but strong in the BJP. Recall that the same people who are today occupying prominent positions in his cabinet were, at one stage, opposed to him till he got the thumping majority for them. They are still watchful for any slip by him. That might be the reason that he could not take any action against the 'fraudulent ladies'. Hence, he cannot take any strong decision such as were taken by Indira Gandhi, as PM. The question of reforming the IAS, then, may not have entered his thoughts, as yet. In due course as and when he is on a firmer ground, politically, he may venture upon it.
Meanwhile, one important aspect of the IAS reforms was to confine them to particular branches of administration such as 'Finance' 'Home', 'Defence' and so on; just as the services are confined to their respective arms and services. The IFS are already specialists in the External Affairs and hence, better informed about their subject. The same could be done for other branches of administration. Taking the totals for the States as well, there would be sufficient vacancies in each branch.
The intelligentsia, on its part, must bring out the subject topic in the open and let it be discussed in the TV and print media.Confining to the internet is a limitation.

Regards,

Randhir Phagura

Maj Gen (Retd.)

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John Philipose | 21 Jul 03:36 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] It's time to shut the IAS down

Dear Pranab- though I agree that 50% of these guys are ill treated by the politicians- most of them deserve it in any case! However that should not give a license to 50 % of these blokes to misbehave and indulge in large scale curroption. It is a known fact that the greatest hindrance to Governance in this country is the Government. They need to be packed off lock, stock & barrel. Instead technocrats should take over Governance. The Agriculculture Secretary could well be one from the department or the Agricultural university, after being specialised in Administration for a couple of years. An IPS guy should be the Home secretary, IFS (forest) guy the Forest secretary, Military officer the Defence Secretary, a Scientist with Administrative experience as the Scientific Advisor & so on. The IAS should be disbanded in the next deccade.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Pranab Kumar Chakravarty <pranabkumar.chakravarty-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
I am a senior journalist and have worked in several states besides covering assignments for my  media  in many states and at the Center. I am constrained to say that I say with my own eyes how the bureaucrats are treated shabbily by their political masters and I will not advise any one remotely related to me to aspire to become an IAS or IPS officer.
Bureaucrats in some states are forced to touch the feet of their political bosses to keep them happy since they write their annual CRs  I am told that IAS and IPS officers have their forums at state and national levels.I like many of you  wonder why they keep mum when some officers of their cadre are inhumanly treated .
You may be more knowledgeable about me .And hence, I  ask you if you will advise your academically brilliant daughters and sons to become bureaucrats to be treated like slaves ? Please do not accuse me of creating rift between political class and bureaucrats. They do have an important role to play in serving the people.What I EMPHASIZE IS THAT THERE SHOULD BE A CODE OF CONDUCT ON THE DAY TO DAY FUNCTIONING AND RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO IMPORTANT STAKEHOLDERS FOR THE TRANSPARENT AND SMOOTH FUNCTIONING OF OUR DEMOCRATIC WAY OF LIFE.

On 17 July 2015 at 11:24, Vidyut <wide.aware-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
There are problems with the IAS, there are problems with politicians. Alas, controlling each other is rarely about public interest. Perhaps I am cynical, but I don't think there are any magic fixes. Boring as it seems without a quick pill, I think it is going to take alert citizens relentlessly demanding accountability, scrutinizing and curbing every wrong that comes to light.

I think people consider the government or bureaucracy more like a service that ought to be perfect or you will call up customer service. Alas, in a democracy, the final boss is the citizen and it may be like herding cats, but in the end of the day, they will have to keep an eye on their employees and reward, punish or remove as necessary.

The most important thing is to mobilize people. Not go one morcha or andolan or against one bad guy, but in the spirit of vigilant and involved management of their own country.

Perfection is a convenient mirage that allows people to shruf off their own role on the stage. The only hope is continuous improvement.

Vidyut

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
You may like to go through the appended write up written by an IAS officer  . Though it is long but worth reading  . 
I have read every word  but found that he has not analyzed  as to who has been responsible for  bringing such a state of affair of our country. 

It is my feeling that the so called Steel Frame of the country, the bureaucratic set up is responsible . This gets confirmed when  we analyze  working of our governing system after independence. It has  been the bureaucrats who kept on grabbing all the powers by be-fooling both the politicians and the public by twisting the rules to meet the requirements of the people whom they wanted to help.

Such a situation would have never creeped in our governing system had  they  been fair to all with  the authority and the powers they were enjoying .All these years the Joint Secretary of a Ministry  is considered as the Government. 


Please advise if I am wrong in my analyses.

Brig J S Ahuja

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Harbhajan Singh <indiaresists-3hfIC0tI0F+k/GrYEfjPQg@public.gmane.org> wrote:
My Dear Gaur,

How are you?

I wonder if this topic is discussed in the NDC!!!!!

We require Administrative and political reforms. But dear Gaur all the Governments are being managed by the IAS!!! Does any one think IAS would let any such reforms take place and above all be implemented!! Just look at OROP case!!!

We need a military/Presidential take over for two years in which the agenda should be administrative and political reforms and then hand over the reigns back to the new dispensation. I agree it is an Utopian idea but if we need to achieve some thing such ideas have to come up.

My considered view is that India is going to go down the drain and China-Pak combine will subjugate us in a decade or two may be. Things on the ground for common people including our types are very bad indeed and deteriorating fast.

Harbhajan Singh
Lt Gen

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13/7/15

Yes, but will it not be a piece-meal change?
Our whole system of governance is based on the colonial british model.
Our judicial system is based on the same.
Our laws are based on the same. Some laws are as old as 1860 just after it was taken over by the Imperial power.
Our Constitution is primarily drawing upon the British Model. 
Yet the realisation that changes are needed in the institutions of Governance should lead to the desired changes sooner or later.
Hiring of experts/advisors outside the IAS system could be one way to dilute their dominance. Mr. Modi seems to have realised and doing so in some areas.
JKGaur
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Forwarding as received, for it makes a lot of sense, sharing this article specially with those among us, who love welfare of our Society, our Armed Forces, and above all, our country as a whole.  It is an open fact that they are also the creator of the problem that is existing and around the widely known subject matter as OROP issue !
Anil Dhir

Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 19:34:09 +0530
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It's time to shut the IAS down

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Last updated on: June 08, 2015 13:17 IST
The IAS distrusts outsiders bringing change, the product of being a tenured cadre; it worships authority rather than citizenship, the legacy of being lackeys of the Queen-Emperor -- and it admires itself above all, for no reason that the rest of us can discern. Mihir S Sharma explains.
If Prime Minister Narendra Modi fails to live up to the expectations that he has raised, it will not be entirely his fault.
After all, he has moderated his promises.
The shining vision of India's future he outlined in early 2014 has been replaced by the -- still inspiring -- set of aspirations listed in the 2015 Budget.
A house for everyone by 2022, with 24-hour power, clean drinking water, a road and modern sanitation; one job per family, medical and skilling facilities close by, and much else of that nature.
You cannot fault his targets, and you cannot fault his energy.
If he seems to have little idea of how to get there, well, he was never asked for such details about implementation on the campaign trail, so it's a little late to complain now.
The problem is that he is trying to drive the country to these oh-so-distant targets by 2022, but he still has the same old car with which to do it.
Today, in the middle of 2015, it is doubly, triply, quadruply clear that changing the driver was not enough -- the driver was never the biggest, the realest problem. The real problem is the car.
Modi might have the will, the energy, the sincerity and the ambition. But unless he fundamentally changes the system that implements his will, that realises his ambition, he is doomed to fail.
And that system is the Indian government and its bureaucracy. I want you to pause for a moment to think, as objectively as you can, about how farcical it is.
We, the world's fastest-growing economy and its largest democracy, have a state structure basically unchanged from the extractive system set up to rule a vast, pastoral country on behalf of a distant island nation.
We have a twice-born bureaucracy that holds so much power.
Why? Because they are the happy inheritors of a system in which civil servants would have been loyal to Queen and Whitehall, but ministers may have been dangerously nationalist -- and thus needed to be easily vetoed or blocked.
We still have a tenured, generalist civil service, organised on Victorian public-school principles, even as our economy and governance become fiendishly more complex.
Every single foreign investor, foreign do-gooder, foreign diplomat, is astounded by both the intelligence of their Indian bureaucratic interlocutor and their -- much of the time -- complete and utter ignorance of the issues at hand.
What else can you expect?
The person having to deal with FIIs today may have been dealing with water harvesting yesterday.
No matter how high your rank in a deadly dull competitive examination in the early 1980s, you will not handle that transition seamlessly.
It is natural, therefore, that you take no risks and show no imagination; you are, after all, always a step behind those you are regulating or governing.
It is less natural that you are incredibly arrogant even while being that step behind. (Or to suppose that anyone else in government being paid more than you would be a colossal, extraordinary insult to the Indian Republic, equivalent to Bangladesh annexing most of Eastern India. Imagine if a tax expert or a lawyer was hired from the private sector and paid more than the Cabinet Secretary! The whole edifice of government would collapse! Anarchy would rule! Four southern states would sink into the sea! Etc, etc)
We have an un-fire-able, unaccountable civil service, which can screw up as much as it likes -- consider, for example, the monumental error that was the FII-MAT (minimum alternate tax) imbroglio -- and still will face no consequences.
This is the largest cause of the institutionalised mediocrity that holds this country back. Even promotions are largely dependent on seniority and not record; nobody would run any other organisation thus, but it's OK to run a complicated, under-governed country like this?
Ah, we are told, but insulating administrators is necessary to ensure they are not subject to politicisation -- to ensure they are "independent".
This laughable claim can only be the product of wilfully refusing to actually read even one newspaper headline over the past 20 years.
Who can claim that bureaucrats are not politicised, given contemporary history? How many have simply refused to sign what they are supposed to? There are some such glorious names, but vanishingly few.
Combine these three factors, and you have a government machinery that is unaccountable, under-informed, and all-powerful. It lacks creativity. It automatically stifles innovation (witness the colossal idiocy underlying its shutdown of Uber in the capital).
There is no alternative but to shut these people down. Root-and-branch reform, beginning with an end to the imperial-era privileges of the Indian Administrative Service.
The IAS distrusts outsiders bringing change, the product of being a tenured cadre; it worships authority rather than citizenship, the legacy of being lackeys of the Queen-Emperor -- and it admires itself above all, for no reason that the rest of us can discern.
The prime minister, sadly, agrees with that.
He, too, seems to imagine that his transformative promises can be operationalised and implemented by the same people who have failed us for 70 years.
His first action on entering 7, Race Course Road, was to tell the secretaries to the Union that they could speak to him directly, cutting out their ministers.
Subsequently he took over all appointments. This is in a way natural; when Modi was appointed chief minister of Gujarat, he had no experience of -- or history of interest in -- policy.
Guess who he turned to? Perhaps that's why the bureaucrats other Indians see as obstructive, backward-looking monuments to institutional arrogance are seen by our prime minister as gentle tutors in the art of governance.
This is a pity, since the only way he will actually transform India is by first transforming its hopelessly out-of-date government.
Actually, if Prime Minister Narendra Modi fails to live up to the expectations that he has raised, it will be entirely his fault. He should have started by ending the IAS.









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Re: [IAC#RG] It's time to shut the IAS down

I am glad to see a post by a civil service aspirant here! I have to admit one fact-there is not one civil service aspirant who had not stated that the reason they wanted to join the civil services is to serve the society. The range of sincerity in  those words may vary from 0 pc to 100 pc. But it is equally true that sooner than later, once in service, they transform from service providers to perks and privilege seekers! 

One observation that needs to be commented upon is the one regarding institutional overhauling vs societal overhauling. Let us admit there will always be a few undesirable elements in all societies and it is to check these undesirable elements that we have the elaborate system of governance. So the one point agenda of every society, as a society, should be to make this govt work. And that is why we need to go for institutional overhaul and not societal overhaul! The former should be pragmatic and the latter a mere wild goose chase.

Now, those interested may read my two blogs:


and

'RTI Act-Shailesh Gandhi and Schopenhauer's Law of Entropy' at

regards

ravi

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Dipanshi Rathore <rathore.dipanshi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

It will sound very simple. but needs a very broad understanding to be able to assimilate!
a)India needs a specific kind of an educational reform to undo the conditioning that has crept deep into the minds
b) moral standards need to be reinvoked
c) spirituality is the key to bring high moral ground among the people and only it can take the country on the path of being a super power in the coming future
No institutional/ machinery overhauling is required! It is the societal overhauling that is needed.

Regards
Dipanshi
(A Civil Service Aspirant)

On 18-Jul-2015 12:25 am, "Vidyut" <wide.aware <at> gmail.com> wrote:
There are problems with the IAS, there are problems with politicians. Alas, controlling each other is rarely about public interest. Perhaps I am cynical, but I don't think there are any magic fixes. Boring as it seems without a quick pill, I think it is going to take alert citizens relentlessly demanding accountability, scrutinizing and curbing every wrong that comes to light.

I think people consider the government or bureaucracy more like a service that ought to be perfect or you will call up customer service. Alas, in a democracy, the final boss is the citizen and it may be like herding cats, but in the end of the day, they will have to keep an eye on their employees and reward, punish or remove as necessary.

The most important thing is to mobilize people. Not go one morcha or andolan or against one bad guy, but in the spirit of vigilant and involved management of their own country.

Perfection is a convenient mirage that allows people to shruf off their own role on the stage. The only hope is continuous improvement.

Vidyut

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
You may like to go through the appended write up written by an IAS officer  . Though it is long but worth reading  . 
I have read every word  but found that he has not analyzed  as to who has been responsible for  bringing such a state of affair of our country. 

It is my feeling that the so called Steel Frame of the country, the bureaucratic set up is responsible . This gets confirmed when  we analyze  working of our governing system after independence. It has  been the bureaucrats who kept on grabbing all the powers by be-fooling both the politicians and the public by twisting the rules to meet the requirements of the people whom they wanted to help.

Such a situation would have never creeped in our governing system had  they  been fair to all with  the authority and the powers they were enjoying .All these years the Joint Secretary of a Ministry  is considered as the Government. 


Please advise if I am wrong in my analyses.

Brig J S Ahuja

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Harbhajan Singh <indiaresists-3hfIC0tI0F+k/GrYEfjPQg@public.gmane.org> wrote:
My Dear Gaur,

How are you?

I wonder if this topic is discussed in the NDC!!!!!

We require Administrative and political reforms. But dear Gaur all the Governments are being managed by the IAS!!! Does any one think IAS would let any such reforms take place and above all be implemented!! Just look at OROP case!!!

We need a military/Presidential take over for two years in which the agenda should be administrative and political reforms and then hand over the reigns back to the new dispensation. I agree it is an Utopian idea but if we need to achieve some thing such ideas have to come up.

My considered view is that India is going to go down the drain and China-Pak combine will subjugate us in a decade or two may be. Things on the ground for common people including our types are very bad indeed and deteriorating fast.

Harbhajan Singh
Lt Gen

From: Gaur J K <gaurjk-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
To: "indiaresists-3hfIC0tI0F+k/GrYEfjPQg@public.gmane.org" <indiaresists-3hfIC0tI0F+k/GrYEfjPQg@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] It's time to shut the IAS down

13/7/15

Yes, but will it not be a piece-meal change?
Our whole system of governance is based on the colonial british model.
Our judicial system is based on the same.
Our laws are based on the same. Some laws are as old as 1860 just after it was taken over by the Imperial power.
Our Constitution is primarily drawing upon the British Model. 
Yet the realisation that changes are needed in the institutions of Governance should lead to the desired changes sooner or later.
Hiring of experts/advisors outside the IAS system could be one way to dilute their dominance. Mr. Modi seems to have realised and doing so in some areas.
JKGaur
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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 23:15:59 +0530
Subject: [IAC#RG] It's time to shut the IAS down

Forwarding as received, for it makes a lot of sense, sharing this article specially with those among us, who love welfare of our Society, our Armed Forces, and above all, our country as a whole.  It is an open fact that they are also the creator of the problem that is existing and around the widely known subject matter as OROP issue !
Anil Dhir

Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 19:34:09 +0530
Subject: Fwd: It's time to shut the IAS down
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It's time to shut the IAS down

                    ( A forward as received)

 
Last updated on: June 08, 2015 13:17 IST
The IAS distrusts outsiders bringing change, the product of being a tenured cadre; it worships authority rather than citizenship, the legacy of being lackeys of the Queen-Emperor -- and it admires itself above all, for no reason that the rest of us can discern. Mihir S Sharma explains.
If Prime Minister Narendra Modi fails to live up to the expectations that he has raised, it will not be entirely his fault.
After all, he has moderated his promises.
The shining vision of India's future he outlined in early 2014 has been replaced by the -- still inspiring -- set of aspirations listed in the 2015 Budget.
A house for everyone by 2022, with 24-hour power, clean drinking water, a road and modern sanitation; one job per family, medical and skilling facilities close by, and much else of that nature.
You cannot fault his targets, and you cannot fault his energy.
If he seems to have little idea of how to get there, well, he was never asked for such details about implementation on the campaign trail, so it's a little late to complain now.
The problem is that he is trying to drive the country to these oh-so-distant targets by 2022, but he still has the same old car with which to do it.
Today, in the middle of 2015, it is doubly, triply, quadruply clear that changing the driver was not enough -- the driver was never the biggest, the realest problem. The real problem is the car.
Modi might have the will, the energy, the sincerity and the ambition. But unless he fundamentally changes the system that implements his will, that realises his ambition, he is doomed to fail.
And that system is the Indian government and its bureaucracy. I want you to pause for a moment to think, as objectively as you can, about how farcical it is.
We, the world's fastest-growing economy and its largest democracy, have a state structure basically unchanged from the extractive system set up to rule a vast, pastoral country on behalf of a distant island nation.
We have a twice-born bureaucracy that holds so much power.
Why? Because they are the happy inheritors of a system in which civil servants would have been loyal to Queen and Whitehall, but ministers may have been dangerously nationalist -- and thus needed to be easily vetoed or blocked.
We still have a tenured, generalist civil service, organised on Victorian public-school principles, even as our economy and governance become fiendishly more complex.
Every single foreign investor, foreign do-gooder, foreign diplomat, is astounded by both the intelligence of their Indian bureaucratic interlocutor and their -- much of the time -- complete and utter ignorance of the issues at hand.
What else can you expect?
The person having to deal with FIIs today may have been dealing with water harvesting yesterday.
No matter how high your rank in a deadly dull competitive examination in the early 1980s, you will not handle that transition seamlessly.
It is natural, therefore, that you take no risks and show no imagination; you are, after all, always a step behind those you are regulating or governing.
It is less natural that you are incredibly arrogant even while being that step behind. (Or to suppose that anyone else in government being paid more than you would be a colossal, extraordinary insult to the Indian Republic, equivalent to Bangladesh annexing most of Eastern India. Imagine if a tax expert or a lawyer was hired from the private sector and paid more than the Cabinet Secretary! The whole edifice of government would collapse! Anarchy would rule! Four southern states would sink into the sea! Etc, etc)
We have an un-fire-able, unaccountable civil service, which can screw up as much as it likes -- consider, for example, the monumental error that was the FII-MAT (minimum alternate tax) imbroglio -- and still will face no consequences.
This is the largest cause of the institutionalised mediocrity that holds this country back. Even promotions are largely dependent on seniority and not record; nobody would run any other organisation thus, but it's OK to run a complicated, under-governed country like this?
Ah, we are told, but insulating administrators is necessary to ensure they are not subject to politicisation -- to ensure they are "independent".
This laughable claim can only be the product of wilfully refusing to actually read even one newspaper headline over the past 20 years.
Who can claim that bureaucrats are not politicised, given contemporary history? How many have simply refused to sign what they are supposed to? There are some such glorious names, but vanishingly few.
Combine these three factors, and you have a government machinery that is unaccountable, under-informed, and all-powerful. It lacks creativity. It automatically stifles innovation (witness the colossal idiocy underlying its shutdown of Uber in the capital).
There is no alternative but to shut these people down. Root-and-branch reform, beginning with an end to the imperial-era privileges of the Indian Administrative Service.
The IAS distrusts outsiders bringing change, the product of being a tenured cadre; it worships authority rather than citizenship, the legacy of being lackeys of the Queen-Emperor -- and it admires itself above all, for no reason that the rest of us can discern.
The prime minister, sadly, agrees with that.
He, too, seems to imagine that his transformative promises can be operationalised and implemented by the same people who have failed us for 70 years.
His first action on entering 7, Race Course Road, was to tell the secretaries to the Union that they could speak to him directly, cutting out their ministers.
Subsequently he took over all appointments. This is in a way natural; when Modi was appointed chief minister of Gujarat, he had no experience of -- or history of interest in -- policy.
Guess who he turned to? Perhaps that's why the bureaucrats other Indians see as obstructive, backward-looking monuments to institutional arrogance are seen by our prime minister as gentle tutors in the art of governance.
This is a pity, since the only way he will actually transform India is by first transforming its hopelessly out-of-date government.
Actually, if Prime Minister Narendra Modi fails to live up to the expectations that he has raised, it will be entirely his fault. He should have started by ending the IAS.









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